People who are organ transplant recipients are severely immunocompromised because of the anti-rejection drugs that are necessary to maintain the organ. These vaccines can not work to the best of their efficiency when a person's immune system can not mount a good enough defense against a pathogen. You can not blame that on the vaccines. You have to blame that on a person's compromised immune system. Sad but true.

Trust me…..that’s not something to be proud of.

I will add that, as a fully vaccinated individual, I will not wear a mask to protect the immunocompromised, those who cannot be vaccinated because of medical issues or those who have decided not to get vaccinated. I agree that those who are vulnerable to the virus should protect themselves and not count on me to protect them.

An N95 mask is the protective mask that is necessary for those who are at risk of severe disease from Covid. I checked and Amazon sells them. They may even be available from our local pharmacies. Stay safe out there!

You keep avoiding the question

You have made two assertions in this thread without providing any cites whatsoever:

HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low.

THEY ARE NOT CARRYING IT AT ALL

Both these statements are totally bogus. The CDC does not agree with these statements. Again, why did CDC reverse course and tell fully vaccinated to wear masks indoors?? Just for fun?

I am not cherry picking data, the reason the data is sparse is because the CDC stoped reporting breakthough cases months ago. We only have data from some states and cities that report this correctly as well as countries like Israel.

We know that breakthrough cases are climbing everywhere it's been measured, like Los Angeles. The CDC knows this and also knows that fully vaccinated people spread the virus and a good percentage of breakthrough cases are symptomatic.

Why is CDC suppressing this data? In their own words:

Vaccine breakthrough cases may reduce public confidence in vaccines

Thats just one of a number of leaked CDC presentation slides that the Washington Post uncovered July 29.

Here are a few more CDC slide headlines:

Increasing percentage of vaccinated persons among those hospitalized in COVID-NET

Delta variant vaccine breakthrough cases may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases.

Vaccines prevent >90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing
infection or transmission – Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite vaccination.

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.c...827155.#page=1

Wow. Hope you never need help down the road. SMH.

Agreed! I am living proof!

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OMG, do I have to spoon feed this AGAIN

The "they are not carrying it at all" was a conditional statement in response to the assertion that vaccinated people were carrying it 74% ​of the time , gleaned from cherry picked data. Note context next time please.

The CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases because it was meaningless. The original strain had a breakthrough rate of 0.07%, they stopped counting before delta emerged, but I'll go out on a limb and state it is pretty low and NOT 74%.

The anti-vaxxers on this site keep referring to "viral load". Unfortunately, based on the content of their posts, they have absolutely no idea what viral load means or how it relates to the transmission of COVID

But, as I already posted, the breakthrough rate will continue to rise as immunity wanes over time. I think I summarized this matter simply enough for it to be understood, but I've thought that before and well............

All the more reason for vulnerable people to protect themselves with N95 masks when they are out and about.

I sent you a PM.

Thanks. I do use the Google search engine all the time and have posted countless links on this forum but I think you already know that. I will continue to watch the news for the latest on booster shots.

I trust the vaccine to keep me out of the hospital, hence, I will not die of Covid. The best case scenario is that I will be asymptomatic if I contract Covid. That is what I trust the vaccine to do for me. I've been fully vaccinated with Moderna and will get the booster as soon as it is available to me.

Having said that, how long are we supposed to continue to wear masks to protect the vulnerable? One more year, another two years, maybe five years? I'm just not going to do it. Sorry. There is now a very effective treatment with the monoclonal antibodies as long as the person seeks treatment as soon as they become symptomatic.

So....will say again. I'm done masking to protect others. I did that religiously for a year and a half and I was the most outspoken proponent of Universal Masking on this forum. If you weren't around back then, just ask others who were.

And yet you were incapable of doing a simple search to find out the current status of booster shots but find the time to keep making the same posts day in and day out.

It was a MSM news source that reported as of Sept. 20th everyone over the age of 65 could get a booster shot, per our government. That is why I didn't feel the need to do a Google search. That information was incorrect and I realize that now. Live and learn. I'll be more careful next time.

As for me posting the same message day in and day out. I do that because I can.

I specifically stated Moderna, not Pfizer...

Once again, Nope!

That is the site NYC uses for unclaimed bodies, or for people who can't afford a private grave site. It's been around for about a century...

That you completely trust the NYT explains a lot...

I am sure you mean well but you are preaching to the choir. 95% of your readers are probably vaccinated and waiting anxiously for the booster. Posting scary articles about how horrible covid disease does no good here.

I already know, like everyone reading here, how terrible it would be to endure (if lucky) a bout with covid. That's why I got two Moderna shots 8 months ago and a third one coming soon.

Obviously I am not an anti vaxxer, far from it. I am however, anti misinformation and my posts in this thread (along with links from CDC etc) were made in order to correct some possibly deadly misconceptions. People minimizing the fact that breakthrough cases are being measured at 25% of total cases (by CDC) and that fully vaccinated people are contagious to others. THIS IS THE REASON THE CDC REVERSED COURSE AND RECOMMENDED MASKS FOR FULLY VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS.

It's funny that everyone says follow the science, trust the CDC, but when the CDC gives you actual data, it gets ignored.

Now here is a scary chart that might actually do some good if it convinces fully vaccinated older people to be more careful, wear an N95 if indoors with others, and don't believe you are 100% safe even if hanging out with fully vaccinated people. Get the booster as soon as possible. Most of the more serious breakthrough cases are among the elderly.

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I'm confused... Are you saying it's the UN-vaccinated people who are dying of Covid?

LOL A "conditional" statement? It's a declarative sentence that means what it says. Nobody "asserted" that 74% of vaccinated people were carrying it, the CDC measured an outbreak in Massachusetts and that's their data.

Breakthrough cases are hardly "meaningless" It's why the CDC reversed course on masks for the vaccinated. Anyone with a 3 digit IQ can figure that out.

The CDC is taking breakthroughs and the fact that the vaccinated are spreading the virus very seriously. Why do you think they are pushing for boosters?

Antivaxer?? That's a laugh I'm coining a new name for people who keep minimizing the rising problem of breakthrough cases. Anti-breakers

All you are doing is spoon feeding nonsense.

Sure about that?

CDC chart:

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Yes, you have that correct. Vaccinated people are NOT occupying ICU beds in the great numbers that the UN-vaccinated are, all over the country. UN-vaccinated people are filling those ICU beds and unfortunately are dying of Covid.

No. The news story was that the current administration wanted the Sept 20th date but was waiting for FDA approval (granted Sept 22).

Therapy or some anti-anxiety drugs might be more effective than posting the same message day in and day out to address whatever your issues are. Perhaps you don't realize that probably in excess of 90% of the readers of this forum have been vaccinated and read the news?

I get you Coffeebean. I agree with your thoughts. I don't think you need "anti-anxiety" medication and I recognize as a parent and retired teacher that repetition is usually one of the most effective forms of teaching.

Rather than rants

or insulting others.

Teaching? You consider her endless posts that say the same thing that everyone already knows to be teaching? There is nothing remotely close to teaching going on.

Thanks, Gracie.

I get a chuckle from folks who don’t agree with my postings. They doth protest too much!!!

LOL.

Many of your postings have had incorrect information and numerous people have responded with the facts. Disagreement is different from factually wrong. Most of your posts just keep repeating the same thing. You seem to have a need to monopolize any COVID-19 thread. You appear to have an obsession. I hope you get some help for that. I believe I will stop reading these sorts of threads.

Kind of like watching the propaganda media machine..CNN. MSNBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS, HUFFPOST....ETC>...... All junk news mocking each other or from??

Need to seek out the truth rather than listening to all this trash coming from the media!:popcorn:

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I sincerely apologize if I posted any incorrect information. I use only reliable sources for what ever I post.

Please give me an example of incorrect information I have posted. I never use any sight that slants information either way as far as I’m aware and have always relied on experts who are highly respected in the medical community.

Just curious……. Does Dr. Scott Gotlieb offer misinformation?

Many of your posts just keep repeating the same thing.

It’s mostly likely because if our fears, Gracie, those of us who concentrate too much, especially because of the consequences of Covid for us. And those of us who feel safer in denying, like ostriches if I put my head head in the sand, I can’t see, it is not there and therefore, can’t hurt me. I’m healthy, I’m young, I’m… invulnerable. May they be correct and the angel of Covid bypass them.

I wonder? He is an investor and administrator....probably not up to speed and most likely in favor of any way to make money....so limit advice from these types.:shocked:

I'm sure you are correct with your opinion. I am aware of the symptoms of Covid and how dangerous it CAN be, but since I have lived through much more dangerous situations in my long life, I don't dwell of "what-if's." Since about 85-95% of Villagers that are eligible for shots have them, then I don't see the point of all the hoopla regarding panicky hysteria of shouting "the sky is falling" if all those in the area are safe in their bomb shelters(vaccinated).

Have you ever passed a mirror?

Gee that sounds just like what the supporters of the current inhabitant of the.... well you know.

Hi Coffee. Try and understand what you see to be "reliable" sources are considered far from reliable by many. There is even some joker who is so biased and incorrect in much of what he says, BUT he thinks by naming his show "Reliable Sources" people will believe it.

If you are eligible you can walk into Publix I’m at lake Deaton public you have to have your shot cards with you