[jebartle]

Tulsa, OK, hospital, 4 killed.....what is the answer to these Killings

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Tulsa, OK, hospital, 4 killed.....what is the answer to these Killings

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
4. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
5. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude!" Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
6. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

And do you have any suggestions for how to accomplish that? Because, while most people will agree those would be wonderful things to do, it doesn't help the walking dead people that will be murdered next week, and those the next week, etc etc etc.

We need suggestions of actions we can take now to help the situation.

[Tom&JenC]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

The above is all true. The people who destroyed society in the first place now claim to be able to solve this problem. They are sickening.

[MrFlorida]

Violent movies, violent video games, kids today are desensitized, blood and guts mean nothing to them.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Tulsa, OK, hospital, 4 killed.....what is the answer to these Killings

It has been proven that the majority of these incidents are copycat. These two quotes are excerpted from Center4Research (Alex Pew, Lauren Goldbeck, Caroline Halsted, and Diana Zuckerman, PhD, National Center for Health Research)

"Studies indicate that the more media attention a shooter gets, the more likely the event will inspire a future mass shooter...

"As long as the media continue to focus their news stories on the attacker, it is likely that these copycats will continue.[13] Dr. Adam Lankford of the University of Alabama has conducted several key studies of the media coverage of mass shootings and the motivations of the shooters. For example, he found that between 2010 and 2017, some mass shooters got more media attention in the month following the attack than the most famous celebrities, such as Brad Pitt."

Media have been hyperbolizing over what Salvator Ramos did in Texas nonstop since it happened. Information, misinformation and disinformation have been assailing us night and day. We've had pictures of teddy bears and weeping parents popping up ad nauseam. Pundits and political types have been commandeering any and every microphone and/or camera they can find to contribute their two cents' worth.

It doesn't take much for this kind of national hysteria to set off some alienated kid or adult with imaginary axes to grind and motivate him to seek the same kind of national attention, in the same kind of way, as the shooter(s) at Columbine, Uvalde, etc. did it. Yet we continue shriek our horror day and night. And all we're doing is adding fuel to the fire.

There is news, and there is hysteria. News informs. Hysteria motivates, often motivating the precise kind of people who would consider doing these types of things. Yet we continue to eat it up, and demand more of it.

How much responsibility do WE share?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

Well said!!!! Bravo!!!

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

Excellent!

I'd add one thing. Respect.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Excellent!

I'd add one thing. Respect.

And I'd remove 1 thing---defiance (of everything---parents, police, government, etc.)

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

To expand on No. 7, people with long criminal records should be in prison, not on the streets.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

To expand on No. 7, people with long criminal records should be in prison, not on the streets.

Add one, serial killers if convicted put to death.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

Bingo !

Spot on but some in our society don't want to openly admit it.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

#8 - get rid of social media

[rrtjp]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

Well said and I agree with you 100%