[frayedends]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is not his job on a movie set to check the ammunition. And again he was told it was a "cold gun". This is very different from someone in their own home pointing a gun at a burglar. Or some kid thinking that his pistol was full of blanks while goofing off his house.

It is not different. I've used this analogy a few times. If I were at a gun range, and the range safety officer handed me a gun, told me it wasn't loaded, and I shot and killed someone, I would go to jail.

The person responsible is the person holding the firearm. He claims to be a gun expert. He did not check his gun. He knew it was used for real target shooting. "Not my job". Give me a break. Of course it's his job. He ignored all the gun safety rules.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by frayedends

It is not different. I've used this analogy a few times. If I were at a gun range, and the range safety officer handed me a gun, told me it wasn't loaded, and I shot and killed someone, I would go to jail.

The person responsible is the person holding the firearm. He claims to be a gun expert. He did not check his gun. He knew it was used for real target shooting. "Not my job". Give me a break. Of course it's his job. He ignored all the gun safety rules.

I’m afraid you’re wasting your breath. Some people don’t understand or don’t want to understand what gun safety and responsibility are.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

I’m afraid you’re wasting your breath. Some people don’t understand or don’t want to understand what gun safety and responsibility are.

Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

If Baldwin pointed a gun at someone outside of a movie set and it went off he like anyone else should be charged for some kind of crime depending on the circumstances.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

To this day, if someone handed me a gun and told me it was unloaded, I'd probably take their word for it - right before I gave it back to them. I know nothing about how to handle firearms, how to open chambers, how to deal with a safety, which kind of firearm has them and which don't, or what they look like. I don't know what it feels like to pull a trigger, or how to properly hold a firearm that I don't plan on shooting.

I wouldn't ever be found at a shooting range. There are more firearms owned by Americans, than there are Americans who own firearms. Millions of Americans don't possess any firearms at all, and have no interest in them. Assuming that "everyone" knows that you have to open a gun to check for ammunition is a pretty horrible assumption. Especially since there are millions of us who have no idea how to even do that and are NOT interested in looking it up to satisfy your argument that we should know.

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

To this day, if someone handed me a gun and told me it was unloaded, I'd probably take their word for it - right before I gave it back to them. I know nothing about how to handle firearms, how to open chambers, how to deal with a safety, which kind of firearm has them and which don't, or what they look like. I don't know what it feels like to pull a trigger, or how to properly hold a firearm that I don't plan on shooting.

I wouldn't ever be found at a shooting range. There are more firearms owned by Americans, than there are Americans who own firearms. Millions of Americans don't possess any firearms at all, and have no interest in them. Assuming that "everyone" knows that you have to open a gun to check for ammunition is a pretty horrible assumption. Especially since there are millions of us who have no idea how to even do that and are NOT interested in looking it up to satisfy your argument that we should know.

Baldwin is a firearms expert. Just ask him. Plus if it was your job to know, you would know.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

If Baldwin pointed a gun at someone outside of a movie set and it went off he like anyone else should be charged for some kind of crime depending on the circumstances.

I know we’ve argued this in the past so I’ll stop with this post. Firearm safety doesn’t stop at some imaginary line. If a person doesn’t understand firearm safety they shouldn’t be handling a firearm. If you need to train every actor, producer and production assistant on the set in the safe handling of a firearm so be it. The ultimate responsibility for firearm safety is the person holding the gun. Period.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

Why would it be a terrible mistake?
I bet Baldwin will be checking from now on.

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

I know we’ve argued this in the past so I’ll stop with this post. Firearm safety doesn’t stop at some imaginary line. If a person doesn’t understand firearm safety they shouldn’t be handling a firearm. If you need to train every actor, producer and production assistant on the set in the safe handling of a firearm so be it. The ultimate responsibility for firearm safety is the person holding the gun. Period.

You are correct

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

You are wrong. He Was holding a weapon and he pointed and pulled the trigger on this weapon without taking the trouble to check if it was loaded. Terrible and he should be jailed for it.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

You are wrong. He Was holding a weapon and he pointed and pulled the trigger on this weapon without taking the trouble to check if it was loaded. Terrible and he should be jailed for it.

On a movie set!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

Um….. what?!?! Martin was visiting relatives at the time of the shooting.Zimmerman became suspicious of Martin and called police; Zimmerman attacked Martin and then shot him with a pistol he was licensed to carry.

In a widely reported trial, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder for Martin's death, but acquitted by the jury after claiming self-defense, although Martin had no weapon.

I guess a 17 year old with skittles would seem very dangerous to an unstable person carrying a gun.

Incorrect nonsense. Zimmerman DID NOT attack anyone... NO where was that false information reported, nor did it come out during the trial...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Zimmerman has a history of violence, several times involving a firearm in his possession. He's been charged with assault and threatening multiple times over the years and has been set free every single time so far. Zimmerman is trash.

Those charges were dropped and are irrelevant to the current discussion...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is not his job on a movie set to check the ammunition. And again he was told it was a "cold gun". This is very different from someone in their own home pointing a gun at a burglar. Or some kid thinking that his pistol was full of blanks while goofing off his house.

Strange reply to a statement that said one of that...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

If Baldwin pointed a gun at someone outside of a movie set and it went off he like anyone else should be charged for some kind of crime depending on the circumstances.

It "went off"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

On a movie set!

The location doesn't matter...