[GoodLife]

Current listing of the highest death rates per million in the world. Rates per million are the best way to compare countries for obvious reasons.

1 Belgium 853 per million
2. United Kingdom 659
3. Spain 606
4. Italy 577
5. Sweden 547
6. France 444
7. USA 415
8. Ireland 357
9. Netherlands 354
10. Chile 303

So USA is bad but not the worst. Sweden is the only country on the list that did not lockdown.

What if we inserted US states into the list? US States, in terms of covid 19 policies, are kind of like autonomous countries, there was no overall policy for lockdowns and mitigation handed down by federal government. States were free to choose what they did in terms of their response.

Countries and US states with highest death rates per million

1. New Jersey 1757 deaths per million
2. New York 1665
3. Connecticut 1220
4. Massachusetts 1206
5. Rhode Island 921
6. Belgium 853
7. DC 805
8. Louisiana 733
9. United Kingdom 659
10. Michigan 632

So 5 US States have the very worst death rates per million in the world. US States have 7 of the highest death rates in the world. I included District of Columbia because they keep their own stats and made their own policies about lockdown etc. Those 7 states combine for a total of 71,351 covid 19 deaths, which is 52% of all covid 19 deaths in USA. 52% of deaths and only 16% of total population.

For comparison, Florida death rate per million is 190, we are in 24th place among states, so middle of the pack. We may move up in the ranks with this recent surge in new cases. Make sure you stay safe and do not become a statistic.

[JimJohnson]

It is so sad that we could be doing much better.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

It is so sad that we could be doing much better.

Well for starters, the top 4 states with highest death rates in the entire world all had laws forcing nursing homes to accept covid 19 positives.

[Carla B]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Well for starters, the top 4 states with highest death rates in the entire world all had laws forcing nursing homes to accept covid 19 positives.

And it was early on in the experience of treating COVID 19 in the U.S. and those states were battling with shortages of PPE , ventilators, and guidance from the Federal gov't.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Current listing of the highest death rates per million in the world. Rates per million are the best way to compare countries for obvious reasons

Thank you for putting this together, GoodLife

I suspect other countries in South America (besides Chile) and Africa will soon start appearing in the Top Ten, but a lot depends on how good their reporting is and how broad their definition of "Covid-related death" is.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Carla B

And it was early on in the experience of treating COVID 19 in the U.S. and those states were battling with shortages of PPE , ventilators, and guidance from the Federal gov't.

First, no state ran short of ventilators. That’s simply not true. Interesting that you think it’s the federal government’s fault, not the fault of the governor’s of those states. Those governors made the decision to force nursing homes to accept Covid positive patients, not the federal government...

[canyonblue]

The latest Florida data shows the age group from 15-34 now account for 98,263 of the positive cases, 37% of all cases. With a total death count of 35 that is a death rate of less than 0.0004. Until it starts to affect them, which it probably won't, I don't expect to see them taking it as serious as some wish.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Thank you for putting this together, GoodLife

I suspect other countries in South America (besides Chile) and Africa will soon start appearing in the Top Ten, but a lot depends on how good their reporting is and how broad their definition of "Covid-related death" is.

No worries. Brazil and Mexico are also on their way up. A lot of people think Sweden was a total disaster because they only compare it to Norway and Finland. They are quite comparable to several US states in size and population and did a lot better than many of them as well as several European countries.

Sweden's deaths keep plumetting and they have no surge of new cases. They may have reached a herd immunity threshold and might have the last laugh. 75% of their death total is from nursing homes, everyone blew that one but without that total, their strategy seems to have worked.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

A lot of people think Sweden was a total disaster because they only compare it to Norway and Finland. They are quite comparable to several US states in size and population and did a lot better than many of them as well as several European countries. Sweden's deaths keep plumetting and they have no surge of new cases. They may have reached a herd immunity threshold and might have the last laugh. 75% of their death total is from nursing homes, everyone blew that one but without that total, their strategy seems to have worked.

Sweden treated its people as adults, and they responded accordingly.

Pen people up and, when you release them, many just go wild.

Only time will tell, but I do think Sweden took the correct approach.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by Carla B

And it was early on in the experience of treating COVID 19 in the U.S. and those states were battling with shortages of PPE , ventilators, and guidance from the Federal gov't.

There was never an actual shortage of ventilators, just a perceived shortage based upon worst case scenarios. No one actually shared a ventilator or was denied one.

[cwhitecat]

It is amazing to me that people blame the government for the spread of COVID 19.
The people who do not follow the guidelines are the ones more responsible. If you go to the grocery store you will see more people without masks than with, most people not observing social distance, going down aisles against the arrows.
People in large groups doing peaceful protests. These things were happening during the quarantine not just before and after.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Current listing of the highest death rates per million in the world. Rates per million are the best way to compare countries for obvious reasons.

1 Belgium 853 per million
2. United Kingdom 659
3. Spain 606
4. Italy 577
5. Sweden 547
6. France 444
7. USA 415
8. Ireland 357
9. Netherlands 354
10. Chile 303

So USA is bad but not the worst. Sweden is the only country on the list that did not lockdown.

What if we inserted US states into the list? US States, in terms of covid 19 policies, are kind of like autonomous countries, there was no overall policy for lockdowns and mitigation handed down by federal government. States were free to choose what they did in terms of their response.

Countries and US states with highest death rates per million

1. New Jersey 1757 deaths per million
2. New York 1665
3. Connecticut 1220
4. Massachusetts 1206
5. Rhode Island 921
6. Belgium 853
7. DC 805
8. Louisiana 733
9. United Kingdom 659
10. Michigan 632

So 5 US States have the very worst death rates per million in the world. US States have 7 of the highest death rates in the world. I included District of Columbia because they keep their own stats and made their own policies about lockdown etc. Those 7 states combine for a total of 71,351 covid 19 deaths, which is 52% of all covid 19 deaths in USA. 52% of deaths and only 16% of total population.

For comparison, Florida death rate per million is 190, we are in 24th place among states, so middle of the pack. We may move up in the ranks with this recent surge in new cases. Make sure you stay safe and do not become a statistic.

Debating with another person who has no credentials to make sense of this on a public forum without valid actual names is really what we seem to be doing. sigh.

This poster, Graciegirl, ago 80, previous pre-school teacher and card carrying mother and grandmother asks OP this question in a different way.

What percentage of people who are hospitalized for Covid-19 die.

By age.

Thank you.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by cwhitecat

going down aisles against the arrows.

That's just funny. Just yesterday I saw someone roll through a stop sign.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Thank you for putting this together, GoodLife

I suspect other countries in South America (besides Chile) and Africa will soon start appearing in the Top Ten, but a lot depends on how good their reporting is and how broad their definition of "Covid-related death" is.

With honest and accurate reporting, both China and India would top the list. With India, it's accuracy. China is deliberating covering up their results.

[jnsbill]

can you provide the link to this info?