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Gulfcoast 05-17-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1946041)
yeah, well I said those were the choices, I chose the vaccine. Had to anyway, glad I did. My point was that if you don't get vaccinated you will soon be unable to do many things you used to be able to do, should you choose.

Unless, of course, you break the law.

And I think anyone reading my previous post, that you seem unable to understand, knows exactly what I said.

Enough on this - you take your chances; I'll live my life without fear.

Are you willing to step up and be the one who keeps the unvaccinated safe? Maybe you can deliver their packages and be in charge of their contactless grocery pickup while they kick back, collect their government checks and stay safe?

Be careful what you pray for.

Swoop 05-17-2021 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1946041)
yeah, well I said those were the choices, I chose the vaccine. Had to anyway, glad I did. My point was that if you don't get vaccinated you will soon be unable to do many things you used to be able to do, should you choose.

Unless, of course, you break the law.

And I think anyone reading my previous post, that you seem unable to understand, knows exactly what I said.

Enough on this - you take your chances; I'll live my life without fear.

No fear for me. And we’ll see how “many” things I will be unable to do.
I sincerely hope that there are no long term side effects from the mRNA vaccines. But given the fact that NO ONE knows if there will be, I will not have to live in fear for the next 5 years until the results of this trial are compiled...

Tmarkwald 05-17-2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1946052)
Are you willing to step up and be the one who keeps the unvaccinated safe? Maybe you can deliver their packages and be in charge of their contactless grocery pickup while they kick back, collect their government checks and stay safe?
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Aw he!! NO! That's exactly what I have been saying! I have ZERO responsibility for anyone refusing to get the vaccine! None whatsoever.

Non-vaxxers take their life into their own hands - they choose their own destiny.

I just don't want their ill-advised decisions to affect me. Do you?

And as far as the useless slugs who sit back and take the unemployment cashouts because they are too lazy to work? Don't even get me started.

Gulfcoast 05-17-2021 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1946089)
Aw he!! NO! That's exactly what I have been saying! I have ZERO responsibility for anyone refusing to get the vaccine! None whatsoever.

Non-vaxxers take their life into their own hands - they choose their own destiny.

I just don't want their ill-advised decisions to affect me. Do you?

And as far as the useless slugs who sit back and take the unemployment cashouts because they are too lazy to work? Don't even get me started.

I agree that the unvaccinated should own their own choices. I do not agree that their freedom should be in any way limited. They should be able to work, travel, go to concerts just like the vaccinated do.

The vaccination cards and "stars on thars" approach would be a terrible precedent for this country and one that should be avoided at all costs.

Tmarkwald 05-17-2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1946100)
It makes me scared for the children that are being brought into this country. If owning a child is made into a profitable business, then the worst of the worst will start getting kids to get checks.

It makes me extremely sad and also scared for my grandkids. The sense of nostalgia that a lot of have when we come to TV also seems lost.

A lot of the appeal, at least to me, with TV are the little things. The friendliness, the sense of being in a safe place. Heck, even the stupid newspaper, which I love simply because it reminds me of times gone by. I don't know of anywhere in the country where they can print an inch thick paper every single day and manage to say absolutely nothing newsworthy. But that is just fine. It's like the Truman Show - our bubble. And I embrace it.

What makes me sad is that this idyllic pace of life may go away after we're all gone unless people start understanding that working for a living is the true key to success and happiness.

Ah, waxing poetic....

Gulfcoast 05-17-2021 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1946104)
It makes me extremely sad and also scared for my grandkids. The sense of nostalgia that a lot of have when we come to TV also seems lost.

A lot of the appeal, at least to me, with TV are the little things. The friendliness, the sense of being in a safe place. Heck, even the stupid newspaper, which I love simply because it reminds me of times gone by. I don't know of anywhere in the country where they can print an inch thick paper every single day and manage to say absolutely nothing newsworthy. But that is just fine. It's like the Truman Show - our bubble. And I embrace it.

What makes me sad is that this idyllic pace of life may go away after we're all gone unless people start understanding that working for a living is the true key to success and happiness.

Ah, waxing poetic....

I feel that there will be lessons learned from all of this. The people collecting the free money will be happy until the spigot runs dry, as it most certainly will. Some states are never going to be the same. Too much damage has been done - economically, socially, mentally.

Florida, for the most part, has done a good job in mitigating the damage to this state. People have been working and kids have been going to school. The vaccination roll out has been successful. Our state has shown the country that it is safe to get back into life again.

The Sunshine State has a lot to be proud of and there is a reason that TV has become such a popular retirement destination. People want and need that nice little bubble in their older years. They want a nice place for their kids and grandchildren to visit. I don't see that changing,

coffeebean 05-17-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1945907)
here ya go

No photo was attached.

Tmarkwald 05-17-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1946113)
I feel that there will be lessons learned from all of this. The people collecting the free money will be happy until the spigot runs dry, as it most certainly will. Some states are never going to be the same. Too much damage has been done - economically, socially, mentally.

Florida, for the most part, has done a good job in mitigating the damage to this state. People have been working and kids have been going to school. The vaccination roll out has been successful. Our state has shown the country that it is safe to get back into life again.

The Sunshine State has a lot to be proud of and there is a reason that TV has become such a popular retirement destination. People want and need that nice little bubble in their older years. They want a nice place for their kids and grandchildren to visit. I don't see that changing,


I hope and pray that your predictions are 100% spot on. I want to live long enough that one of my kids will love it here and can take the home and live the lifestyle we have.

Right now they're doing their thing.. But someday it happens to all of us.. and we realize it's that time...

coffeebean 05-17-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1946001)
How would "they" know?

They won't. The "honor system" is an absolute joke. I will continue to keep my distance as best that I can from others as I go maskless in every venue that does not require masks.

coffeebean 05-17-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1946018)
Encapsulated? Not really the right response....your or the animal immune system after vaccinated....respond positively....no so good with a variant..the variants are what confuses the immune response which causes a cytokine storm where organs are attacked...just like autoimmune....Then the case of misidentification...that is where Mrna tells the body to create a spike protein and then the immune response creates the antibody...the spike protein is identified by shape only in this type of vaccine...sometimes the protein may look like the optic nerve or some other organ and the immune response ends up in blindness or killing off some other organ.....In humans only time will tell what happens next.....will take another year to know.

Maybe my word "encapsulated"' is not quite correct. What was done was to cover the messenger somehow with a some sort of protein so it would not be in direct contact with the body. I can not find the study that I originally read about this. It was ground breaking, however, in order to go forward with development of the mRNA vaccines. Without that "tweek" we would not have been able to have humans injected with this vaccine. That "tweek" fixed a huge problem for the utilization of these mRNA vaccines.

I know cytokine storm is what killed many Covid victims early on in the pandemic. I have not heard that a vaccine can cause this phenomenon, however.

Tmarkwald 05-17-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1946134)
Maybe my word "encapsulated"' is not quite correct. What was done was to cover the messenger somehow with a some sort of protein so it would not be in direct contact with the body. I can not find the study that I originally read about this. It was ground breaking, however, in order to go forward with development of the mRNA vaccines. Without that "tweek" we would not have been able to have humans injected with this vaccine. That "tweek" fixed a huge problem for the utilization of these mRNA vaccines.

I know exactly what you read - That was the 'halleluiah!' moment when they got past that.

And the term 'encapsulated' was exactly what I inferred as well.

I'm not bothering to search for the medical journal entries and studies for it. I just remember the article very well. I just remember that it was that breakthrough that possibly saved 10's of millions from dying...

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-17-2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1944035)
I’ve got papers that’s says I was vaccinated. I think we need to be tattooed on forehead for all to see :faint:

I have papers and I took a picture and keep it in my phone. It's fine with me if unvaccinated people want to walk around with a mask. They can only infect other unvaccinated people. Currently, in the state of Florida, there are more vaccine doses than there are people trying to get vaccinated. So if you're not vaccinated by now, it's your problem, not mine.

coffeebean 05-17-2021 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1946151)
I know exactly what you read - That was the 'halleluiah!' moment when they got past that.

And the term 'encapsulated' was exactly what I inferred as well.

I'm not bothering to search for the medical journal entries and studies for it. I just remember the article very well. I just remember that it was that breakthrough that possibly saved 10's of millions from dying...

Good to know I didn't just dream about that.

bobdeb 05-17-2021 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1944056)
No, not less valuable.

But, it isn't about not thinking like me, it's about belligerently refusing to take measures to protect themselves against a deadly virus.

You are making assumptions as to what folks think and feel regarding taking the vaccine.

I know of three people who are clearly not belligerent nor closed minded and are currently still unvaccinated. They have their reasons.

bobdeb 05-17-2021 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1944074)
Jumping off a bridge to commit suicide, if that's what you mean, and opting to not take this "vaccine" is night and day. It's a silly analogy.


Precisely

bobdeb 05-17-2021 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1944109)
Not true......many of us so call belligerent people have a variety of reasons we choose not to get the shot and frankly I tried of all you who has choose to get the shot feel you have the right to call us names and say rude things about us. This is out of control with the hate.

I read this the other day
“Hate has caused a lot of problems in this world but it hasn’t fix one yet”

Maybe time to stop hating those who have every right not to get the shot and move on.

Yes. Thank you.

However, some day we should all hope that we are as enlightened as those who intend to characterize folks who choose not to receive the vaccine... maybe just yet.

And I personally don't need to know or care if you've had one shot, or two or whatever.

bobdeb 05-17-2021 07:49 PM

Shall we start shaming those with a drinking problem from buying alchohol. Ban all cigarettes and tobacco products and vaping. We could post a scale in front of the Doritos display that sets off an alarm for those 'gravitationally challenged'. Ban soft drinks (pop, soda, whatever) and other foods from diabetics. We'll throw in the unvaccinated for good measure.

And then march those violators down through a square chanting 'shame!, shame!' ala 'Game of Thrones'.

coffeebean 05-18-2021 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Justus (Post 1945478)
And in the short time vaccines have been available, the following statistics have been documented. I'll take my chances with my natural immunity, thank you.
COVID DATA - OpenVaers

Per Google......."VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences. Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients."

What does "anyone" mean? Could there possibly be people that make false reports? Just a thought.

stanley 05-18-2021 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1946641)
Per Google......."VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences. Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients."

What does "anyone" mean? Could there possibly be people that make false reports? Just a thought.

Possibly.......possibly not.....just a thought

Aloha1 05-18-2021 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Becca9800 (Post 1944518)
YOUR science says get the shot. MY science says tread carefully. This vaccine was rushed to production, has not been fully vetted, is experimental, and we just don't know the long term effects. The science is NOT clear at all, the recommendations changed day to day because they just don't know what they don't know. Those are indisputable facts that maybe you can justify, I cannot.

I haven't been locked down ever. In fact, every day I went to work at a hospital where at one point there were 70 Covid-infected patients under the same roof as me. An infested hospital where I had direct interaction w the people providing direct care to the infected. Nor will I go into lock down now. I'm pretty sure the ones you see wearing masks while driving alone in their car are those ultra paranoid of contracting C19. They were the first in line to receive a vaccine. Those holding off on getting a vaccine just aren't that paranoid as evidenced by the fact they weren't first in line to receive the vaccine.

Virtue Signaling: the sharing of one's point of view on a social or political issue, often on social media, in order to garner praise or acknowledgment of one’s righteousness from others who share that point of view, or to passively rebuke those who do not.

I will conclude my response to your condescending, critical, fundamentally wrong, and worthless response by saying, but I'm the stupid one. I'm certain its intent will be lost.

For someone working in a hospital (and thank you for that), you seem to be behind the curve on the SCIENCE of MNRA vaccines, what they are and how they work. I also defer to our resident Chief Of Medicine on this as he is correct, there is only SCIENCE. Anything else is opinion.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-18-2021 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1946641)
Per Google......."VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences. Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients."

What does "anyone" mean? Could there possibly be people that make false reports? Just a thought.

The point isn't that anyone can submit a report. The point is that the report doesn't prove a correlation or causation. To wit:

I got my second Pfizer vaccine 3 weeks ago.

Two days ago, my bursitis started acting up again.


If I report that to VAERS, it will be on record that at least one vaccinated person has had a flareup of bursitis post-vaccine.

What will NOT be on record: I had my one and only cortisone shot 5 months ago and the doctor warned me it'd probably wear off around 4-6 months after I got it. I was expecting this flareup, and it has NOTHING to do with the vaccine.

I can also report having experienced loose bowels for 4 days total between the last vaccine and today.

What will NOT be on record: I ate a lot of cashews yesterday and the day before, and those are triggers for my digestive system. A little over a week ago, I had the last of the bleu cheese in the fridge, and there was a lot of it, and like a pig I ate the whole bunch. That is also a trigger. Two weeks ago, I bought that bleu cheese, and ate a big honkin chunk of it when I got home. Melted. On triscuits. OMG. My digestive system protested violently the next day.

There is no correlation OR causation between the vaccine and my digestive upsets. AT ALL. But I can report it all, and it will show up on record as someone who got the second shot and subsequently had digestive upset.

Aloha1 05-18-2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1945284)
You want credible? Use the BBC for unbiased reporting. They have no dog in the race and are very credible as a news source.

OMG! The BBC is well noted for it's left wing bias. Any of our UK cousins care to jump in on this?

Aloha1 05-18-2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1945510)
Hmm, I can't seem to find a single quote where Fauci said this, could you please point me to where you found it?

It was before a Senate Committee hearing a couple days ago. Check CSPAN

coffeebean 05-18-2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1946650)
The point isn't that anyone can submit a report. The point is that the report doesn't prove a correlation or causation. To wit:

I got my second Pfizer vaccine 3 weeks ago.

Two days ago, my bursitis started acting up again.


If I report that to VAERS, it will be on record that at least one vaccinated person has had a flareup of bursitis post-vaccine.

What will NOT be on record: I had my one and only cortisone shot 5 months ago and the doctor warned me it'd probably wear off around 4-6 months after I got it. I was expecting this flareup, and it has NOTHING to do with the vaccine.

I can also report having experienced loose bowels for 4 days total between the last vaccine and today.

What will NOT be on record: I ate a lot of cashews yesterday and the day before, and those are triggers for my digestive system. A little over a week ago, I had the last of the bleu cheese in the fridge, and there was a lot of it, and like a pig I ate the whole bunch. That is also a trigger. Two weeks ago, I bought that bleu cheese, and ate a big honkin chunk of it when I got home. Melted. On triscuits. OMG. My digestive system protested violently the next day.

There is no correlation OR causation between the vaccine and my digestive upsets. AT ALL. But I can report it all, and it will show up on record as someone who got the second shot and subsequently had digestive upset.

Great explanation. I had no idea. Thanks.

Aloha1 05-18-2021 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1945522)
I saw that article myself. I do believe the human race is not mature enough for the internet. the instant fame, instant dissemination of information, and the vast overwhelming about of information created every day is impossible for anyone to keep up with.

There is no "Human Race". There is a Human Species . The entire idea of "race" is a made up thing going back to the 1800's to justify one group having superiority over another. So today, all this Cr*p about "racial justice" is just perpetuating a falsehood. We should be talking about discrimination based on ethnicity since that is where most of these grievances fall into.

Aloha1 05-18-2021 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1945688)
There were tests on animals which resulted in death....all of the MRNA type trials were abandoned until Covid-19.

Sources please?

Becca9800 05-18-2021 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1946647)
.....you seem to be behind the curve on the SCIENCE of MNRA vaccines, what they are and how they work. I also defer to our resident Chief Of Medicine on this as he is correct, there is only SCIENCE. Anything else is opinion.

OR maybe this "science" hasn't yet earned the title of "SCIENCE". With the 'facts' and recommendations changing daily, calling it "SCIENCE" is laughable. Feels more like a massive experiment to me, and we're the guinea pigs. Perhaps my thinking is ahead of and not behind the curve. You at least have to give me credit for questioning vs following blindly. Right?

Do you mean Fauci when you say our resident Chief of Medicine? If so, IMHO, he's a political hack. The man will say whatever he's told to say. Why do I say that, you ask. Because he has repeated instances of changing his opinion every time the wind changes direction. No need for masks one day, and the next day only double masking will keep you safe. C'mon! The "science" he was referencing simply doesn't change overnight like that. The benefit/lack of benefit of masking is known. For example, influenza kills thousands of otherwise healthy American adults AND children every year. Why do you suppose we have never been ordered to mask up to avoid contracting influenza? I don't quite get that one. I don't have an answer but I sure question why, if masks work to keep me safe from killer viruses, why have masks never before been recommended? And I'm angry bc my friend's otherwise healthy 16 year-old daughter, dead from influenza, might still be alive if the Faucis had recommended masking to prevent contracting. Too many dangling chads for me to have a comfortable opinion on whether to vaccinate or not.

Lindsyburnsy 05-18-2021 06:27 PM

Actually, the janitors were the only ones working on site.

Lindsyburnsy 05-18-2021 06:30 PM

FB, You-Tube and Twitter? Well, those are certainly reliable sources for information on health.

Aloha1 05-19-2021 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Becca9800 (Post 1946671)
OR maybe this "science" hasn't yet earned the title of "SCIENCE". With the 'facts' and recommendations changing daily, calling it "SCIENCE" is laughable. Feels more like a massive experiment to me, and we're the guinea pigs. Perhaps my thinking is ahead of and not behind the curve. You at least have to give me credit for questioning vs following blindly. Right?

Do you mean Fauci when you say our resident Chief of Medicine? If so, IMHO, he's a political hack. The man will say whatever he's told to say. Why do I say that, you ask. Because he has repeated instances of changing his opinion every time the wind changes direction. No need for masks one day, and the next day only double masking will keep you safe. C'mon! The "science" he was referencing simply doesn't change overnight like that. The benefit/lack of benefit of masking is known. For example, influenza kills thousands of otherwise healthy American adults AND children every year. Why do you suppose we have never been ordered to mask up to avoid contracting influenza? I don't quite get that one. I don't have an answer but I sure question why, if masks work to keep me safe from killer viruses, why have masks never before been recommended? And I'm angry bc my friend's otherwise healthy 16 year-old daughter, dead from influenza, might still be alive if the Faucis had recommended masking to prevent contracting. Too many dangling chads for me to have a comfortable opinion on whether to vaccinate or not.

Certainly not Fauci. TOTV.

jimjamuser 05-21-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1944067)
Deadly to whom? The answer is overweight people with compromised immune systems. If you’re not overweight and you don’t have diabetes, hypertension, lung disease or heart disease, it’s NOT a “deadly” virus. The chances of you dying from Covid are infinitesimal - according to the statistics provided by the CDC...

The chances are at least 2% if you add together DEATH, current PAIN and COST of being in the hospital, and the FURTHER PAIN of long haul symptoms!

jimjamuser 05-21-2021 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1946093)
I agree that the unvaccinated should own their own choices. I do not agree that their freedom should be in any way limited. They should be able to work, travel, go to concerts just like the vaccinated do.

The vaccination cards and "stars on thars" approach would be a terrible precedent for this country and one that should be avoided at all costs.

So, you want your cake and eat it too. That's what I expect from the socially irresponsible!

jimjamuser 05-21-2021 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdeb (Post 1946292)
Shall we start shaming those with a drinking problem from buying alchohol. Ban all cigarettes and tobacco products and vaping. We could post a scale in front of the Doritos display that sets off an alarm for those 'gravitationally challenged'. Ban soft drinks (pop, soda, whatever) and other foods from diabetics. We'll throw in the unvaccinated for good measure.

And then march those violators down through a square chanting 'shame!, shame!' ala 'Game of Thrones'.

Vaping is a good way to damage young children's brains and adding flavors is REALLY sneaky. Older smokers end up in hospitals and some have painful DEATHS much earlier than non-smokers. And again the tobacco companies were SNEAKY about killing research into the greater health risks. People did NOT have all the facts to be able to make an intelligent choice - advertisements and lies prevented that. Taxpayers pay money to their Government to keep the playing field honest - taxpayers were let down!

jimjamuser 05-21-2021 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Becca9800 (Post 1946671)
OR maybe this "science" hasn't yet earned the title of "SCIENCE". With the 'facts' and recommendations changing daily, calling it "SCIENCE" is laughable. Feels more like a massive experiment to me, and we're the guinea pigs. Perhaps my thinking is ahead of and not behind the curve. You at least have to give me credit for questioning vs following blindly. Right?

Do you mean Fauci when you say our resident Chief of Medicine? If so, IMHO, he's a political hack. The man will say whatever he's told to say. Why do I say that, you ask. Because he has repeated instances of changing his opinion every time the wind changes direction. No need for masks one day, and the next day only double masking will keep you safe. C'mon! The "science" he was referencing simply doesn't change overnight like that. The benefit/lack of benefit of masking is known. For example, influenza kills thousands of otherwise healthy American adults AND children every year. Why do you suppose we have never been ordered to mask up to avoid contracting influenza? I don't quite get that one. I don't have an answer but I sure question why, if masks work to keep me safe from killer viruses, why have masks never before been recommended? And I'm angry bc my friend's otherwise healthy 16 year-old daughter, dead from influenza, might still be alive if the Faucis had recommended masking to prevent contracting. Too many dangling chads for me to have a comfortable opinion on whether to vaccinate or not.

Science is basically a series of papers in Scientific Journals where Scientists enter their research as a hypothesis (possibilities) and then it is peer-reviewed. After enough peer review a particular hypothesis may be accepted as a "standard". At some future time, that "standard" will be challenged and THEN it may be modified. Thus, science changes and moves FORWARD, never stagnant!

Gulfcoast 05-21-2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1948235)
So, you want your cake and eat it too. That's what I expect from the socially irresponsible!

Taking responsibility for yourself and mitigating your own health risks is being socially responsible.

A group called America's Frontline Doctors has pointed out that young people under the age of 20 have a 99.997% survivability rate from COVID-19 - they have close to a ZERO percent chance of dying from COVID-19. Yet, the government is advocating that this age group get vaccinated in spite of the documented risks of adverse side effects.

That is why it is so important for us all to make these decisions for ourselves.

Bill14564 05-21-2021 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1948260)
Taking responsibility for yourself and mitigating your own health risks is being socially responsible.

A group called America's Frontline Doctors has pointed out that young people under the age of 20 have a 99.997% survivability rate from COVID-19 - they have close to a ZERO percent chance of dying from COVID-19. Yet, the government is advocating that this age group get vaccinated in spite of the documented risks of adverse side effects.

That is why it is so important for us all to make these decisions for ourselves.

And the fatality rate could be 20x lower with the vaccine.

Where are the documented risks of adverse side effects? There is the clotting issue with the J&J vaccine but I guess I missed the others. Unless you are referring to VAERS but that is a database of correlation and not causation.

jimjamuser 05-21-2021 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1948260)
Taking responsibility for yourself and mitigating your own health risks is being socially responsible.

A group called America's Frontline Doctors has pointed out that young people under the age of 20 have a 99.997% survivability rate from COVID-19 - they have close to a ZERO percent chance of dying from COVID-19. Yet, the government is advocating that this age group get vaccinated in spite of the documented risks of adverse side effects.

That is why it is so important for us all to make these decisions for ourselves.

This is exactly why bad decisions are made because ALL the facts are NOT known or ignored. If you HAD been reading about CV enough, you would KNOW that the NEWER variants of CV that are now prevalent in the UK (and have been found recently in the US) - these newer variants are MORE likely to infect younger children than the predominate variant in the US.

The problem has ALWAYS been that the CV is evolving. That is why people like myself have advocated getting as MANY people vaccinated as FAST as possible because we have a small lead on the VIRUS and only vaccinations of the vaccine-hesitant will allow us to FINISH it off. Then, life in the US can return to normal, not before. We KEEP trying to DECLARE victory over CV when we are only CLOSE. We have to achieve an ACTUAL victory over the CV - not just jump up and down and WISH that victory to happen.

Gulfcoast 05-21-2021 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1948272)
This is exactly why bad decisions are made because ALL the facts are NOT known or ignored. If you HAD been reading about CV enough, you would KNOW that the NEWER variants of CV that are now prevalent in the UK (and have been found recently in the US) - these newer variants are MORE likely to infect younger children than the predominate variant in the US.

The problem has ALWAYS been that the CV is evolving. That is why people like myself have advocated getting as MANY people vaccinated as FAST as possible because we have a small lead on the VIRUS and only vaccinations of the vaccine-hesitant will allow us to FINISH it off. Then, life in the US can return to normal, not before. We KEEP trying to DECLARE victory over CV when we are only CLOSE. We have to achieve an ACTUAL victory over the CV - not just jump up and down and WISH that victory to happen.

Don't buy into the hype and the fear mongering. That's no way to live your life.

jimjamuser 05-21-2021 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1948260)
Taking responsibility for yourself and mitigating your own health risks is being socially responsible.

A group called America's Frontline Doctors has pointed out that young people under the age of 20 have a 99.997% survivability rate from COVID-19 - they have close to a ZERO percent chance of dying from COVID-19. Yet, the government is advocating that this age group get vaccinated in spite of the documented risks of adverse side effects.

That is why it is so important for us all to make these decisions for ourselves.

And also, speaking of America's Doctors - 90% of US Doctors have had their vaccine - only 10% are waiting.

Swoop 05-21-2021 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1948234)
The chances are at least 2% if you add together DEATH, current PAIN and COST of being in the hospital, and the FURTHER PAIN of long haul symptoms!

WOW! Where did you pull that number from. Let’s see some actual data to back it up...
I know you won’t provide it, because it doesn’t exist...


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