Fauci said "a little" over 50%, he wasn't sure, but maybe 60% had been vaccinated at his institute.

So that takes the number to somewhere between 40% - 50% not being vaccinated.

The others also didn't have exact numbers but guestimated around the same.

And to clarify - that is not the number of all Americans vaccinated, that is the number of employees at the CDC, FDA, NIH that have been vaccinated.

Update: as of today 9 members of the NY Yankees players and staff that had been previously vaccinated, have tested positive for Covid...

Add Bill Mahr to the list. Just because you get the vaccine doesn't mean you can't get Covid, or pass it around to other people. If you think it makes you "immune", you are just buying the BS from the mass media.

Are any of them actually sick or have they just tested positive?

If they simply tested positive but aren't ill then maybe that's good enough.

GracieGirl, what you're hearing are NOT facts, it is OPINION. It can't be fact because no one really knows this virus. So what you are hearing is opinion. You need only to decide if what you're hearing makes sense to you.

See, this is a perfect example. I get the point of your message and I feel it was CBS, NBC, most def CNN, NPR wo dependable info, putting unsourced "experts" out there to tell us the what-fors and why-nots around this NOVEL virus. I accept that you wish to follow MSM, WHY can't it simply be accepted that there are those of us who do not agree with the MSM experts? WHY must the MSM followers continue to criticize, guilt, and harangue those that have a different opinion? No need to try to answer his, there is no answer, I get it.

I do not trust our government any longer. I used to but have heard so many discrepancies I can't afford to trust them any longer. I've no faith left. I believe the Wuhan Lab did release this virus (inadvertently) and that the virus was developed using our tax payer dollars. No need to respond to this opinion either, it is a fundamental disagreement. I understand I will change no one's mind, and you will not change mine. I'm only trying to illustrate the differences in opinions.

I too hope no harm comes to any vaccinated person. However, I don't have the faith that it won't, and I'm unwilling to hedge the bet. I am not opposed to being vaccinated, I'm opposed to jumping in line for a vaccine that is truly untested. I very likely one day will accept this vaccine, just not now. I need more proof. Surely this is understandable. BTW, rushing this vaccine to production, giving the manufacturers immunity is the one thing, in my opinion, where DJT failed. And failed miserably.

Well the ones who got the vaccines using the same technology over 10 years ago have had no ill effects at all..

Small number test groups. Far from the huge experimental program going on today.

I'm not aware of any vaccine using this same technology. What vaccine is on the market, from 10 years ago, employing this technology? Thanks.

There were tests on animals which resulted in death....all of the MRNA type trials were abandoned until Covid-19.

Because it is 100% false/biased.

They aren't stupid.

But people who believe this... also think OJ didn't do it .....

Sources? Didn't think so.

It's been documented on here a lot. MRNA vaccines for nearly everything are being developed and have been for over 10 years.

Google mrna .. easy

Someone's competing with jimmyjammer for post count

From the University of Pennsylvania regarding the historical data on mRNA vaccine studies:
Conclusions
of first patient enrollment.
The current evidence base on messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines is made up entirely of small early-stage trials, nearly all of which examined only short-term outcomes. They lack sufficient power for testing the statistical significance of most results, and for assessing the risk of serious but uncommon adverse events.

Many trials...over and over resulted in Cytokine Storms that killed in postinfection days.

A Double-Inactivated Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Vaccine Provides Incomplete Protection in Mice and Induces Increased Eosinophilic Proinflammatory Pulmonary Response upon Challenge | Journal of Virology

Really? this is SARS v1, from 2002 ..

finally

Signs going up - NO MASKS REQUIRED

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...highlight=mrna

Exactly!!!

Same virus family and it took a lot of tweaking so it would not kill...

In a nut shell the mrna compound used as a vaccine actually slows down the immune system in humans (temporarily) so quell the cytokine response and not kill you...they have no idea of what future mutations of the virus will do to those vaccinated.

My understanding is vaccinated people are immune to severe symptoms and death. The actual break through infection rate is very minimal and from those minimal break through infections, the rate of death is quite minuscule (NOT ZERO but minuscule). That is good enough protection IMHO. This is why I made sure to protect myself with the vaccine.

yep - last I read, out of 100,000,000 vaccinated, 9000 breakouts and 135 deaths, most of them due to a co-morbidity. So, rate of death is about as close to mon-existent as you can get. If you are vaccinated....

Those are the kind of odds that put you in the Powerball arena.

I could easily see life insurance companies even giving discounts for vaccinations. They give discounts to non-smokers as not smoking is single most and easiest way to mitigate an early death. Covid numbers are even worse... It won't take the actuaries long to to figure the numbers....

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So....it was test groups? Not one person has had adverse effects? That is great news, even if the test groups were small. That is extremely encouraging to hear.

Those animals died because the messenger was not encapsulated. This is the reason for experimentation for medications and vaccines. So sorry for the animals but they are lower in the pecking order to humans. That problem that killed the animals was solved, by research, and now the messenger is encapsulated with a protein that protects the human body from being directly exposed to it. I read all about this so I'm sure you can find this information too. Yes, experimental animals will die with all sorts of medication and vaccine development. That is what research is all about.

The trials were small, and then interest waned I suppose due to MERS and SARS going away before they reached pandemic levels. And rabies has never been a real issue. That research, however, laid the groundwork for these mRNA vaccines. They already knew they were safe, based on the small trials. Of course, you never know when you have millions rather than thousands. But there is little doubt that mRNA vaccines saved million of lives this year alone, as we see number plummet.

Long term effects -20, 30 years down the road? Who knows. I kinda doubt many people are worrying about that. They'd rather be alive to experience whatever happens 20/30 years from now than be worm food. Especially us in TV . HAHAHAHA

I just created a thread that had all the links from previous discussions we had here on TOTV. Felt that was easier that rehashing it all.

And someone posted results of animal trials? Kinda funny, as they determined cocaine would kill mice. One ounce of cocaine injected into a 4 ounce mouse killed it. Same with tests of cosmetics. They apply the equivalent of 100+ times more than necessary to see the effects on animals. So, I ignore that stuff.

The signs should also include, "FOR FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE".

It does!

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20-30 years?!? No one knows what potential side effects from the mRNA vaccines will be in 2-3 years...

Yes, they certainly have a good idea - even with the small - 10,000 people in the trials from over 10 years ago have had no side effects.

But choice between life OR life imprisoned in my basement for fear of catching and dying from the virus?

Easy choice

How would "they" know?

They won't. Not that the stores even want to know.

It's funny how it was o.k. for the cashiers to go to work every day and it was fine for all of the delivery drivers to help keep people safe during the peak of this virus, but now the same people that were kept safe are demanding that these workers get vaccinated.

I must say that I find that to be a bit disappointing.

Please provide a link to an nRMA study that tracks long term effects.

According to the University of Pennsylvania, they don’t exist:
Conclusions
of first patient enrollment.
The current evidence base on messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines is made up entirely of small early-stage trials, nearly all of which examined only short-term outcomes. They lack sufficient power for testing the statistical significance of most results, and for assessing the risk of serious but uncommon adverse events.

Yes...the vaccine will keep you out of the hospital....as far as how apt one is to being infected...that is still a huge unknown...also.....vaccinated folks will be shedding the virus for sometime...that is why the masks were required for a while...may end up back again...anyone's guess...because that is what science is doing right now.!!!

I am not living in fear of the Covid virus. Why should I? The chances of it negatively affecting me are infinitesimally small, given my age, weight & health. So while you may have been cowering in your basement, waiting for the vaccine, I was out living my life...

Encapsulated? Not really the right response....your or the animal immune system after vaccinated....respond positively....no so good with a variant..the variants are what confuses the immune response which causes a cytokine storm where organs are attacked...just like autoimmune....Then the case of misidentification...that is where Mrna tells the body to create a spike protein and then the immune response creates the antibody...the spike protein is identified by shape only in this type of vaccine...sometimes the protein may look like the optic nerve or some other organ and the immune response ends up in blindness or killing off some other organ.....In humans only time will tell what happens next.....will take another year to know.

Correct no links available...check back in the near future.

Life comes with risks. There is a risk to not getting the vaccine and there is a risk that comes with being vaccinated. Weigh the risks and decide what is right for you.

Why some feel the need to micromanage other people's personal health decisions is beyond me.

I think that the vaccines are safe and that vaccination is certainly a better alternative for those at risk of complications from this virus. For young, healthy people who aren't at any particular risk from the virus, the vaccine is not necessary. For the more in between folks in reasonable health it could go either way.

Certainly the people who have suffered serious health issues from Covid, only wish now that a vaccine had been available to them. But those who have suffered extreme side effects from the vaccine probably wish now that they had never gotten the shot.

We all have different risk factors so the "best" thing for each one of us will be different.

yeah, well I said those were the choices, I chose the vaccine. Had to anyway, glad I did. My point was that if you don't get vaccinated you will soon be unable to do many things you used to be able to do, should you choose.

Unless, of course, you break the law.

And I think anyone reading my previous post, that you seem unable to understand, knows exactly what I said.

Enough on this - you take your chances; I'll live my life without fear.