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Without science there would not be the vaccine that now allows us to safely not wear masks under most conditions. If everyone would get vaccinated we could end this thing.

Great link, but still not enough folks been vaccinated

Not that I disagree, BUT you do know that "everyone" does not get the Flu shot every year and we do not wear masks. As a matter of fact, I can't remember any time in my lifetime where I was required to wear a mask anywhere other than into the operating room. And I have been to and lived in many other countries. The ONLY reason so many folks have been wearing masks in public has been due to our gov insistence.

Reverse isolation rooms, respiratory and contact precaution rooms, the ER when seeing a case of suspected meningococcemia. But yeah, I agree with you in general.

I bow to your expertise and respect your knowledge.

I think the "rub" has been that this virus was new and we witnessed people dying so much and so fast in China and then Italy at first that our fact people could not make valid assessments. Bodies were lying at the curb!!!

I think it was better to err on the side of safety. I think it will take years to completely assess how it spreads exactly and what it does to our bodies besides kill us.

I followed the rules and found a lot to do at home and became very aware of some of my thoughts during this time. We survived and some of us did it without a lot of angst. I guess it depends if you are a wiggle worm or a sitter.

Glad to be alive and see so many people alive around me.

Really????

Have you ever been there?
Do you know any of the physicians who run it?

Don't bother, we all know the answer already.
On the other hand, I can personally vouch for the quality and expertise of 3 of them (although 2 may be retired).

So who's spouting BS now?????
Don't throw mud on people and an organization that you know virtually nothing about.

We have all been treated to the CDC's recommendations all year long. We have all had our lives impacted by their rulings. I don't have to know any of those individuals personally to have my own opinion about their advice.

The homemade cloth masks, the random shut downs, school closings, etc.

It's been like watching a mad scientist play with his human guinea pigs. We now have a vaccine - Experiment Over. Time to drop this nonsense and get on with life. Nobody gets a gold star for getting a vaccine. The ones who deserve the praise are the workers who got out there and kept the world running throughout this pandemic. Those are the unsung heroes that we should all be thanking.

Also, I think it's worth mentioning that when things were at the scariest, it was private corporations keeping this country running while government offices were all shut down. Something to think about.

Government shut them down. Corporations, seen as private had options...slow down, etc.

Wish you had said it.....such headaches it would have save me

Publix, Walmart, Target, Amazon and the fast food restaurants were doing a booming business, as were enterprising delivery services. My own kids were getting OT at their jobs. They also got thanked by their companies and wound up getting a nice Covid pay bonus for working during the pandemic.

We sometimes forget how those worker bees kept more vulnerable people safe for most of the year and that was well before a vaccine ever came along. They wore masks, kept their workplaces sanitized, followed Covid protocol and provided much needed services to their communities.

I think it's good to recognize what these workers did for all of us.

I am glad that I live in the state of Florida. We are blessed.

Maybe a number tattooed on everyone's arm. I think that method was used in the past to identify people.

Details? What are you referring to?

The federal government never shut down for sure. The only people not working were the janitors. Everyone else shifted to remote work.

The mRNA vaccines did not arrive in less than a year either. The infancy of these vaccines was in 1990s.

The story of mRNA: From a loose idea to a tool that may help curb Covid

It was not until China released the sequence of this novel corona virus were the scientists able to "tweek" what was already in the works for these mRNA vaccines. It was from that valuable information that these life saving vaccines were developed. The ground work was already done which has been in the process for many years.

Here is an article about the scientist who laid the ground work for mRNA vaccines.......
Kati Kariko Helped Shield the World From the Coronavirus - The New York Times

preach!!! He and his wife were vaccinated IN SECRET at the White House before he left office. He had no intention of promoting the vaccine to his supporters by being secretive of their vaccinations. No cameras, no video captured the moment he and his wife were vaccinated. No attempt at sending a message of support of these vaccines. No attempt from him at setting an example to the American people, especially his supporters. Who does this?

You want credible? Use the BBC for unbiased reporting. They have no dog in the race and are very credible as a news source.

I see you have the word vaccine in quotes. That just made me think of one poster who insists these vaccines are not really vaccines. Wonder what happened to OneClick Plus. Is that poster still around?

Maybe Darwin got them. Eventually they'll all get weeded out....

This is what saved our country when certain elements called our initial response in Feb 2020 to Cobid as 'over-reacting'.

Preparation..intelligence..foresight

Operation Warp Speed (OWS) was a public–private partnership initiated by the United States government to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics.

The first news report of Operation Warp Speed was on April 29, 2020, and the program was officially announced on May 15, 2020. This resulted in the US starting vaccinating in November 2020.

The 12.4 billion spent included massive pre-purchase of Pfizer vaccines and others.


Source: Wikipedia and a lot of others

Or perhaps, those who got vaccinated will suffer the consequences a year or two from now.

Somewhere, there is a site that is talking about this possibility but I have not yet run into it. I try very hard to check my sources, and although I do not agree very often with the editorial stance of some of them, I KNOW they are dependable on facts and do not publish theories as facts.

It is a possibility of course that there may be an unexpected consequence, but I chose to not die right now, and hope that again, science will find a stop to any "consequences that could happen a year or two from now".

This whole issue has shown us what politics can sway, and how when people are frightened, they often show it in anger and seek answers from undependable sources and those without valid and dependable information. Some big news broadcasting companies made TERRIBLE errors and chose lightweight medical people to tell us what to think in the early days of this.

The CDC, Dr. Fauci and his group, the NIH and other government agencies who we have always trusted for precise answers were standing and watching and assimilating a rapidly changing situation with no way to know the absolute answers. I still trust them. I do not believe that someone bought them. I do not think that the University of Wuhan was engaged in subversive activities for their government, because for one, it makes no sense to release a scourge that will kill your own family members and people in your very own country...to sway an American election????

I hope that no harm will come to us for getting the shot but I am card carrying "R" and I stand with science and I watched 70% of this country...(on polls) that trusted Dr. Fauci. And I know why the last election was lost.

I was in Publix yesterday. There was a sign that said masks required unless you are vaccinated. I put my mask on (out of habit), took it off, felt very vulnerable among the maskless (who knows if they're vaccinated or just refusing to wear a mask) and put it back on. What about the seven NY Yankees staff that contracted Covid after their vaccinations?


It's going to take a while for me to feel comfortable not wearing a mask in a busy store. And partly because I feel this latest directive came from a governors' meeting at which many urged the prez to do away with masks for the vaccinated. I believe it was the Utah governor who said We're a vaccinated country; let's act like one.


Makes me wonder if there was any science behind it, or the CDC just caved. I'll feel better about it in a month or two if the infection rate continues to drop.

When I've had to wear a mask:
I worked in a chemical plant. I had to wear a mask, gloves, a gown, and non-slip steel-toed shoes with sterile booties over them.

I worked for a sausage factory. I had to wear a mask and gloves whenever I went onto the factory floor to ask the supervisor about an employee's time card.

I visited a friend after a difficult labor resulting in an emergency c-section. I had to wear a mask to visit her, and her baby, who was in NICU.

Sometimes when living up north, I had to spread fertilizer mixed with diatomaceous earth on the property. While the clay (earth) isn't poisonous, it's fine particles of clay that can stick to your lungs and cause respiratory distress if you inhale too much of it. So I wore a mask. I wear a mask now when I spread it outside the house along the edge of the driveway, when we get ant-hills.

In the winter up north, I didn't wear something so flimsy as a mask. I wore a hijab. That's right. An extra-long pashmina wool scarf, covering my head, then wrapped around the back of my head, wrapped to the front to cover my entire face from the nose down and tucked into my jacket to cover the front of my neck. I'm not a Muslim. But they have the right idea about dressing for winter, that's for damned sure. The only part of my head or neck that was NOT covered with that thing was my eyes. And I wore glasses so THOSE were covered as well.

This is definitely not a "vaccinated country." There are pockets of the country where a majority of people are vaccinated. But for the most part, the vaccinated are less than 50% overall.

I believe he/she said "I can't remember any time in my lifetime where I was required to wear a mask .." I've said the same thing. Required is the key word.

Fauci has admitted that up to half of the employees at NIH have opted NOT to get vaccinated. I would imagine that the peer pressure to get vaccinated would be pretty high at NIH but still up to 50% of the employees have opted not to vaccinate.

Just an interesting little tidbit to mull over.

Yes...
 

And in the short time vaccines have been available, the following statistics have been documented. I'll take my chances with my natural immunity, thank you.
COVID DATA - OpenVaers

Would appreciate a link to your source for that news, and date of the news.

There was news of short supply for NIH employees back in December

Hmm, I can't seem to find a single quote where Fauci said this, could you please point me to where you found it?

It's on Youtube. I'll see if I can find it.

Interesting article today on npr.org -- to read or a 4:17 Listen.

Under the series Untangling Disinformation, the article is titled, "Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social Media Research Shows."

There are different agendas behind the "Disinformation Dozen."

Boomer

I saw that article myself. I do believe the human race is not mature enough for the internet. the instant fame, instant dissemination of information, and the vast overwhelming about of information created every day is impossible for anyone to keep up with.

Wow. From the official government agency. Why doesn't the media report on this? Post this on Facebook, Twitter or YouTube and see what happens.:ohdear:

This is the Youtube video: CDC & FDA: 40-50% Of Our Employees Are Not Vaccinated - YouTube

VAERS is a place where anyone can report on reactions to vaccine, but that does not mean the reports have been substantiated.

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) | CDC

You are correct. VAERS estimates their figures are low by a factor of 10 to 100. Why? Many people do not report their side effects, or are not aware that they are attributable to the vaccine. The numbers do not suit the current media narrative.

I heard 60% as an estimate, as opposed to less than 40% of all Americans.

Not sure of your point, but sure you have one.