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Dilligas 06-21-2020 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1788537)
Ed's signs weren't inteded to provide dialogue, inform or work to any solution, they were intended to inflame and aggravate. When you do that sooner or later you put yourself in harms way.

What happen to politics that supported a candidate instead of defaming or slandering the opposition? When we get candidates from political parties that are the best at what they do instead of career politicians that are working for re-election and power, we will get to an election where people are voting for the best candidate instead of against the least desireable candidate. So far neither political party can provide an option. We also need to remove mass media and social medial from the decision making until they report the facts instead of reporting their opinions and misrepresenting the facts.

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksonbrown (Post 1788600)
Exactly, but what I find interesting is that this comment doesn't appear until half-way through this thread.

Made me laugh, biggley.

Madelaine Amee 06-21-2020 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Charles (Post 1788887)
I believe in the Bill of rights and the U.S. Constitution.

I respect and honor those who serve and those who have served this country to protect those rights and freedoms.

No matter which side anyone is on I must respect their right to speak their minds. PEACEFULLY and WITHOUT being harmed because of their views.

This man has the right to speak his mind, without fear of being harmed.

You have the right to disagree without harming him or others.

I have the right to vote and will use that right come November to peacefully and quietly speak my mind.

Congratulations Mr. Charles for this excellent post. I admit, with shame, to having read through all 12 pages of this rubbish and am left with a feeling of sorrow for this nation of ours. Even during Richard Nixon's impeachment I do not remember such vitriolic unrest that is evident in the country now.

It is going to be a long hot summer .......................

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1788625)
"Martin Luther King peacefully led protests about civil rights."

Except there was a major riot in just about every large city he visited about a week later. Bag man for the funding?????

"There were protests against the Vietnam War, mostly peaceful."

Kent State.

Again, the victim should NEVER have been assaulted, but in the real world one needs to be cognizant of the possible outcomes of a given action.

Good points, well presented.

Topspinmo 06-21-2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net (Post 1788693)
I don’t condone violence at any level but when you say the things he says you’re asking for trouble. The mans mouth is a sewer

And signs. Don’t have to be vulgar and nasty.

JoMar 06-21-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1788562)
No one with signs or words should be the recipient of physical violence. No one. The person who attacked him was clearly a Villages thug. If you state some political view I don't agree with, or wave some sign around with words that do not meet my ethical standards, I have no right to punch you in the face. What normal people do when that happens is argue with the person, and if that gets them nowhere, they walk away.

Not a lot of that going today is there? I don't condone the action but it was bound to happen. Ed's signs don't state a political view, don't take a position on issues, don't invite discussion. His position is one of a thug and a bully, personal attacks are his only message. He invites arguing which, as I was brought up, is not the way to solve anything. Some people handle bully's differently than you but when you push buttons, sooner or later someone is going to push back.

17362 06-21-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1788475)
Ed McGinty, who is known as an anti-Trump protester, was physically attacked by one of the Trump supporters who hijacked the Blue Lives Matter parade, near Sumter Landing today. His picture was on Facebook, and showed him to be battered and bleeding. McGinty was on his way to his daily protest, and from the sounds of it was not at the actual parade. The attack took place near the Sumter Landing Winn Dixie.

This is outrageous and is a black stain on Florida's Friendliest Hometown. Whether you like his views or not, he certainly has a right to protest, and to face physical violence in this manner is just frightening. He has also received threatening letters. What is the matter with these people?

Everyone has a right to protest No one has the right to riot and cause damage and physical harm. This is the problem NOW. And for a while ... to be completely honest.
It does not matter what side, what color, as humans in America: we have the right to protest without damage and harm to others - period.

allsport 06-21-2020 12:11 PM

He was driving a golf cart with signs and was attacked probably by one of those x-cops with anger management issues. Disgusting people do disgusting things. I was always taught to use my words, fists are for insecure bullies with low self esteem.

JoMar 06-21-2020 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1788618)
I recently posted about political signs and what they do.

Mr McGinty certainly has every right to express his views but there is always a risk when doing so.

I'm not blaming Mr McGinty. I'm just saying that there are people out there that don't need much to provoke them to violence. Signs such as Mr McGinty and others have on their golf carts, cars and houses are all some people need.

Thank God that those people are few and far between among us.

Might be me but I haven't seen anyone with signs on their carts attacking Biden. Let me know if you have and what they say

Byte1 06-21-2020 12:20 PM

Not that I condone physical recourse, BUT if a patriot is deeply insulted by a threat to his/her PRESIDENT, I can understand their anger.
As to someone stating a sarcastic comment about the "friendliest town in America" I say, as compared to what town? It may still be a valid statement if you compare the population of this community to towns across America. Just saying.
By the way, perhaps whomever(?) assaulted Eddie saved him from his fanatical progression toward stepping over the legal line in his insinuations of aggression toward our President. "Hang him" comes real close to a threatening posture. Perhaps, the Secret Service should investigate this matter and keep an eye on him to prevent future injury?
Yes, that's me being facetious.

Byte1 06-21-2020 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by a002710 (Post 1788801)
We need the owners to step up. They have rules here that limits political signs in people’s yards. All we have to do is extend that limit to everywhere in the villages. To get around these rules people will put political signs in their golf carts and park them at the end of their driveway. Eliminate all signage, everywhere. I want my friendly hometown back where no one knew or cared how or who you voted for. Our current political environment is dividing our country, not making it stronger. This is exactly what our current adversaries want. A weaker America makes us a target to outside influences.

The owners cannot change the deed restrictions after they sell the home. WE are the owners. We agreed to the set rules at closing, not agree to rules not yet decided or invented. If signs bother folks, then I can see how some mean spirited verbiage could cause trauma.

Byte1 06-21-2020 12:33 PM

[QUOTE=Don5154;1788846]
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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 1788701)
I'm surprised he didn't contact CNN first, for another 15 minutes of fame that he seems to crave so much.[/QUOTE

Would not surprise me if the other guy was a CNN reporter looking for a new story on Ed.

Or MAKE UP a news story as they are wont to do.

Byte1 06-21-2020 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by theruizs (Post 1788868)
I would have hoped that at our age we were past the school yard antics. I don’t know what went down. I only know that reacting with violence is never the answer. The golden rule, turn the other cheek, etc.

I agree, but didn't some candidate say something about taking another out behind the gym?

davem4616 06-21-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1788806)
You are passing judgement, read your opening "sentence"


That opening sentence wasn't passing judgment...it was an observation

that said...what makes it okay for you to pass judgment on me?

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Astron (Post 1788708)
So much for America’s lauded freedom. To use of violence against people that you disagree with is the opposite of the ideals in the Bill of Rights, and are the actions of a terrorist not a patriot. I do not care if the signs are, “intended to inflame and aggravate”. To get in a fist fight over a political sign is just wrong.

You go Tron, perfect logic. Well written.

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1788715)
The most effective way, and actually the quietest and peaceful way to voice your protest is at the ballot box.

Reading all these posts for and against McGinty and the assailant, it just shows how EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION, and in it's own way, each post is actually a protest or show of support. It's just not "public" in the physical sense.

When you publicly protest with inflammatory signs, you might as well have a "hit me" sign on your back.

Did McGinty deserve to be attacked? Not really.
Do I feel bad for him? Not really.

I feel bad for him! Sorry.

manaboutown 06-21-2020 12:52 PM

Does anyone else smell a Smollett?

Ed could have staged an assault as his "injuries" were trivial. I for one would not put it past him for a heartbeat.

Or Ed could have pushed the wrong person over the edge. He operates way out beyond the edge of reason in the twilight zone of tolerance. I find it remarkable that Ed has gone on and on with his nonstop verbal abuse and ugly public displays for years without getting what passes for his brain bashed in long ago.

If someone wore a red ball cap to a BLM rally he might last 20 seconds. That Ed has lasted this long without suffering any bodily harm speaks volumes about the tolerance and restraint of civilized people.

karostay 06-21-2020 12:56 PM

No amount of verbal assault should result in a physical altercation...Bigger man or woman or combination there of who walks away wins

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Joelack99 (Post 1788726)
In my country you have the right to protest any body or anything without being put in harm’s way. In my country you do NOT have the right to physically assault anyone. In my country we respect each other and will fight to the death for them to respect their views, even if we disagree.
What the hell is happening to my country?

That points out the crux of the situation.

EdFNJ 06-21-2020 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1788986)
Not a lot of that going today is there? I don't condone the action but it was bound to happen. Ed's signs don't state a political view, don't take a position on issues, don't invite discussion. His position is one of a thug and a bully, personal attacks are his only message. He invites arguing which, as I was brought up, is not the way to solve anything. Some people handle bully's differently than you but when you push buttons, sooner or later someone is going to push back.

As much as I agree with his position 100% I agree with you in the fact that his signs are inciteful and disgusting and I find the very embarrassing. There are better ways to make your point. Now if the tables (and political parties) were turned how do you think the guy in the golf cart yelling "white power" in the video of the "birthday party" would be welcomed? Sounds like everyone's "truth" seems to be rearing it's ugly head. They are both just 1 deviant person on 2 sides of the same disgusting argument.

fdpaq0580 06-21-2020 01:03 PM

Vigilante justice.
 
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1789003)
Not that I condone physical recourse, BUT if a patriot is deeply insulted by a threat to his/her PRESIDENT, I can understand their anger.
As to someone stating a sarcastic comment about the "friendliest town in America" I say, as compared to what town? It may still be a valid statement if you compare the population of this community to towns across America. Just saying.
By the way, perhaps whomever(?) assaulted Eddie saved him from his fanatical progression toward stepping over the legal line in his insinuations of aggression toward our President. "Hang him" comes real close to a threatening posture. Perhaps, the Secret Service should investigate this matter and keep an eye on his to prevent future injury?
Yes, that's me being facetious.

I can appreciate facetiousness and sarcasm, but you might not be too far off the mark. I remember the old western movies where the vigilantes would break into the jail and get the person they were mad at. The guy that shouted "Hang him" the loudest never had the rope or helped string it up but was the most vocal in insisting it must be done. The rabble rousers are a big part of the problems we are experiencing across the country.
I believe in freedom to peacefully protest, but the rabble rousers that promote violence are, imho, dangerous and counter productive.

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1788747)
I agree - the assailant should be prosecuted. My only question is who was the assailant? I've heard a lot of speculation. Actually the first post should have started with "Allegedly" but I guess rush-to-judgement is the order of the day. I am, however, going to test your theory. Tonight I'm going to go down to metro Atlanta wearing my MAGA hat and Blue Lives Matter t-shirt. I'll let you know tomorrow how it all works out. I'm sure I'll get lots of complements.

The BIGGER (big picture) issue is why do we have tribal neighborhoods. Are we NOT equal? I ponder that. President L. Johnson made some great steps many years ago. We had busing, an expensive, near dead end. Why not Federal encouragement for integrated neighborhoods. The US Military is better integrated than the US in general. Why?

jebartle 06-21-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by a002710 (Post 1788801)
We need the owners to step up. They have rules here that limits political signs in people’s yards. All we have to do is extend that limit to everywhere in the villages. To get around these rules people will put political signs in their golf carts and park them at the end of their driveway. Eliminate all signage, everywhere. I want my friendly hometown back where no one knew or cared how or who you voted for. Our current political environment is dividing our country, not making it stronger. This is exactly what our current adversaries want. A weaker America makes us a target to outside influences.

I agree, let's turn the clock back to 2016, hmmmm! Life is good!

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Linda Taranto (Post 1788833)
We cannot allow politics to move to this level.
God is the answer to all problems.
Please, please find peace in your hearts!
That is what HE wants from us!

Maybe "she". Not sure.

Jacob85 06-21-2020 01:22 PM

So you are excusing him for violent behavior because he has different beliefs so can’t control himself?

Jacob85 06-21-2020 01:23 PM

We are not responsible for another persons behavior

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave@TV (Post 1788865)
I think you misread the persons statement. Basically, what was said is: I may not agree with what you said, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.

Good catch...and release.

BS Beef 06-21-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1788906)
Real? Yes, we, the whole US of A are becoming BizzarroLand. Down is Up. We are expected to hate the media and love Russia and Saudi Arabia. We are expected to go to work without PPEs. Hospitals are getting full in some parts of the country." Love thy neighbor" has been replaced with "greed is good". Suspect your neighbor of being one of "those dreaded others". Be selfish is the creed of the day. We are close to a depression economically and with ACTUAL unemployment around 20%, no wonder some people with opposite opinions clash. The fabric of society is torn and will stay that way until a vaccine or prevention for CV is found!

Where is a hospital near full. Quite the contrary. They’re hemorrhaging (see how I did that :icon_wink:) money because they’re so empty and not allowed other procedures.

Jacob85 06-21-2020 01:28 PM

[QUOTE=Jacob85;1789046]This man has a right to put what he wants on his golf cart without being attracted! [it is called free speech! You can’t get another person to believe what you believe by attacking them

ALadysMom 06-21-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1788925)
And...it might not have been an attack at all. It has been proven that some people will put up signs and allow people to think they are vandalized or a victim of a terrorist group by putting the hated Swastica on their own doors and sidewalks. Some people even hire people to appear to beat them up. This happened to a very well known Television personality in Chicago. Hate is a very strong emotion. We cannot always trust what people say, sadly. Even those who post a lot on TOTV, like me.

Sounds like Ed may be dangerously unstable.

Remember the guy in S. Florida who was living in his van that was plastered with bumper stickers as he sent threatening letters to many prominent people?

The outward signs are the same regardless which side of the aisle.

Moderator 06-21-2020 01:35 PM

The thread is now closed.
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Kenswing 06-21-2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 1789070)
The thread is now closed.
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Fake news.. :1rotfl:

donassaid 06-21-2020 01:46 PM

Probably fake news as the rally was not at Winn Dixie. Furthermore, the handful of "protesters" who turned out by Panera Bread were hostile, obnoxious, confrontational and hurling the F bomb at Trump supporters in golf carts. If I had been there, I might have punched somebody's lights out myself. Peaceful protests are protected speech and should be encouraged. However, in your face screaming profanities and threatening others is not protected speech. Protesters need to tone down their rhetoric and their actions.

Don Ferguson 06-21-2020 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Joelack99 (Post 1788726)
In my country you have the right to protest any body or anything without being put in harm’s way. In my country you do NOT have the right to physically assault anyone. In my country we respect each other and will fight to the death for them to respect their views, even if we disagree.
What the hell is happening to my country?

Uhh.....Can you so easily forget Minneapolis, Seattle, those bastions of liberal embarrassment to the United States!

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BS Beef (Post 1789054)
Where is a hospital near full. Quite the contrary. They’re hemorrhaging (see how I did that :icon_wink:) money because they’re so empty and not allowed other procedures.

Hospitals are not part of the big picture.....But, examples would be Tulsa, parts of Texas, N. Carolina, and Arizona. Fl and Tn are dark red on the map because they have set recent daily records for case increases. Other than that, NOT so much.

graciegirl 06-21-2020 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1789074)
Fake news.. :1rotfl:

How'd that happen?

I am glad it isn't closed. It is good to be able to talk about feelings. We are all caught in swirling streams of hatred and I am upset about all of the verbiage foisted upon us from a lot of folks who appear to think they are superior. I just cannot tell you how I dislike all these edicts about politically correct this or that. I also am so angry and hurt by people who say terribly cutting things I think are unjustified and couch them in a sort of superior racist attitude. No one chooses their race. I think race affected some areas of this country far more than other areas and a good many of us moved here and hear a lot of things we have never experienced personally and frankly we are baffled. All of these intense things. All of these announcements on TV make a lot of people wonder what it is that they did or didn't do. How they are sinning and doing the wrong things that make others glare and say YUP.

jimjamuser 06-21-2020 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1789078)
Probably fake news as the rally was not at Winn Dixie. Furthermore, the handful of "protesters" who turned out by Panera Bread were hostile, obnoxious, confrontational and hurling the F bomb at Trump supporters in golf carts. If I had been there, I might have punched somebody's lights out myself. Peaceful protests are protected speech and should be encouraged. However, in your face screaming profanities and threatening others is not protected speech. Protesters need to tone down their rhetoric and their actions.

I would NOT leave my front yard to participate in either one of those group protests. I would rather watch some good paint dry.

Scorpyo 06-21-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1788777)
I am, however, going to test your theory. Tonight I'm going to go down to metro Atlanta wearing my MAGA hat and Blue Lives Matter t-shirt. I'll let you know tomorrow how it all works out. I'm sure I'll get lots of complements.

I said the same thing up thread. :coolsmiley:

I know. I read it but I figured some people might have overlooked it. Given that I thought is was so good I plagiarized it. Either that or "brilliant minds, etc.":coolsmiley:


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