[Taltarzac725]

Use every approach that works. Gun buy backs. Mental health awareness spread as wide as possible. Locking doors as much as possible in schools and other soft targets. Situational awareness, etc.

Originally Posted by jebartle

For the poster that suggest I go live in Japan, is a perfect example of the intolerance for ANY suggestions to stop this violence. Let's pull together as AMERICANS and solve this. REALLY REALLY lock schools (obviously this Texas school needs correction, if we see SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING and to lighten this post, I hope it's possible on such a serious subject, just sell guns, NO AMMO, giggle

[Reiver]

Gun buy backs do not work. Most of the guns turned in do not work.. or, they have been used in a crime and people take advantage of "no questions asked" to get rid of them.

[MartinSE]

One thing is certain, we now know a lot of things that will not work. Mean while, soon, more children WILL die.t

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Use every approach that works. Gun buy backs. Mental health awareness spread as wide as possible. Locking doors as much as possible in schools and other soft targets. Situational awareness, etc.

I agree with most of what you say but do not think gun buy backs will works as the ones we all would want off the streets are not coming back.

[tvbound]

I'll bet in those states where open-carry of long guns (ie:AR-15) is allowed, a whole lot of people who oppose even a single thing being done about our gun problem, might start changing their minds and looking for compromises - if all of a sudden a lot of young black men started walking around with them. Who knows, it could also be the start of serious talks about addressing two of our country's biggest problems.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Use every approach that works. Gun buy backs. Mental health awareness spread as wide as possible. Locking doors as much as possible in schools and other soft targets. Situational awareness, etc.

If we are throwing out minor SMALL fixes, a school could have a gun sniffing dog and an attack-trained dog. Good kids would like the dogs and the trouble-makers would have to respect and worry about them. This would be part of the "try different solutions to see what works".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tvbound

I'll bet in those states where open-carry of long guns (ie:AR-15) is allowed, a whole lot of people who oppose even a single thing being done about our gun problem, might start changing their minds and looking for compromises - if all of a sudden a lot of young black men started walking around with them. Who knows, it could also be the start of serious talks about addressing two of our country's biggest problems.

I lived in an early open carry-law state.......Arizona ( I was there about 1993) and it seemed a little weird to me. Many of the people that were open-carrying looked like the "bad guys" that I should be worrying about. The hairs on my neck would stand up when I was around some of them. Looks like we will be treated to this "wild west" mentality soon in Fl.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If we are throwing out minor SMALL fixes, a school could have a gun sniffing dog and an attack-trained dog. Good kids would like the dogs and the trouble-makers would have to respect and worry about them. This would be part of the "try different solutions to see what works".

I like this, sadly it wont happen soon. A lot of schools and small number of available dogs. But, certainly worth looking into.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I lived in an early open carry-law state.......Arizona ( I was there about 1993) and it seemed a little weird to me. Many of the people that were open-carrying looked like the "bad guys" that I should be worrying about. The hairs on my neck would stand up when I was around some of them. Looks like we will be treated to this "wild west" mentality soon in Fl.

I can relate. I was in Peoria, AZ (outside Phoenix) in the early 2000s. I was driving a cash register in a convenience store and frequently had the overnight shift. When someone came in openly carrying a gun it made more than my hair stand up. Our company had a policy if someone wanted to steal something, help them carry it out. Do not try to stop them. I never had to carry anything out, but a friend was shot and killed in another store because he tried to "protect" the company's money... he left a wife, and 2 grandchildren over $50 in the register.

[Woodbear]

Guns will never go away........

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Woodbear

Guns will never go away........Attachment 93990

Comparing our children to sheep? So, the children are the price we pay because we can't do anything, which seems to be a common idea here.

[Taltarzac725]

Better dealing with bullying and cyberbullying.

[Trayderjoe]

I am not so sure there is any room for compromise now, even if there was a small chance, now that the “quiet part” has been said out loud.

Earlier in this thread a poster used the analogy of “taking small bites of the elephant” I believe to indicate an attempt to chip away at the second amendment as is being done with the first amendment. Now there is a call to ban 9mm handguns which were referred to as “high caliber weapons”.

I believe that in order to compromise, you needed to start with the truth. Given that “assault weapon” and weapon of war” are emotional phrases used to describe certain firearms and are NOT BASED ON FACT, add the new mantra of “high caliber weapons” and this will slide into a total gun ban. Forget that bolt action rifles, as one poster here suggested would be ok, if those bolt action rifles are “high caliber” they get taken away too.

I stopped reading this thread because it again got to “wash, rinse, repeat”, but given that the quiet part has now been said out loud, here you go. If you still think there is an opportunity to debate, good luck. At least this thread was allowed to continue, congrats to all for keeping away from politics and staying on topic.

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

I am not so sure there is any room for compromise now, even if there was a small chance, now that the “quiet part” has been said out loud.

Earlier in this thread a poster used the analogy of “taking small bites of the elephant” I believe to indicate an attempt to chip away at the second amendment as is being done with the first amendment. Now there is a call to ban 9mm handguns which were referred to as “high caliber weapons”.

I believe that in order to compromise, you needed to start with the truth. Given that “assault weapon” and weapon of war” are emotional phrases used to describe certain firearms and are NOT BASED ON FACT, add the new mantra of “high caliber weapons” and this will slide into a total gun ban. Forget that bolt action rifles, as one poster here suggested would be ok, if those bolt action rifles are “high caliber” they get taken away too.

I stopped reading this thread because it again got to “wash, rinse, repeat”, but given that the quiet part has now been said out loud, here you go. If you still think there is an opportunity to debate, good luck. At least this thread was allowed to continue, congrats to all for keeping away from politics and staying on topic.

Unfortunately, I am forced to agree with you. There is enough of a base of unwavering 2nd amendment supporters to stop any serious change. To them, having a few hundred innocents slaughtered is worth it. They don't want to say it out loud, but the fact that they offer no solutions and are against any limitations or management of gun ownership (not getting anywhere near saying gun banning - that ship has sailed) leads me to that horrible statement above - they just don't care.
Most likely, we need to wait for the baby boomer generation to die out. The NRA is fading, thank god, due to massive corruption at the top, so they should not be much of a player in a few years. That leaves the manufacturers, some of whom use absolutely disgusting marketing and sales techniques.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

I am not so sure there is any room for compromise now, even if there was a small chance, now that the “quiet part” has been said out loud.

Earlier in this thread a poster used the analogy of “taking small bites of the elephant” I believe to indicate an attempt to chip away at the second amendment as is being done with the first amendment. Now there is a call to ban 9mm handguns which were referred to as “high caliber weapons”.

I believe that in order to compromise, you needed to start with the truth. Given that “assault weapon” and weapon of war” are emotional phrases used to describe certain firearms and are NOT BASED ON FACT, add the new mantra of “high caliber weapons” and this will slide into a total gun ban. Forget that bolt action rifles, as one poster here suggested would be ok, if those bolt action rifles are “high caliber” they get taken away too.

I stopped reading this thread because it again got to “wash, rinse, repeat”, but given that the quiet part has now been said out loud, here you go. If you still think there is an opportunity to debate, good luck. At least this thread was allowed to continue, congrats to all for keeping away from politics and staying on topic.

In the end, gangbangers and other criminals will always have guns.