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ThirdOfFive 05-26-2022 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Anne Cink (Post 2098948)
Sadly, there is little anyone can do to prevent a mass shooting if the shooter is willing to die in the process!
There are certainly steps we can take.

Texas has the right idea. Armed teachers may not be able to eradicate gun violence in their schools but it certainly can (and will) minimize the damage. It certainly beats all the public squalling about the guns.

airstreamingypsy 05-26-2022 06:53 AM
School shootings seem to have two components..... The first is a weird kid who has been bullied. The second is semi automatic AR-15s, the mass shooters'' weapon of choice. Both those things are almost always present.

Schools have to pay more attention to bullying...... parents have to watch for signs that their kid is being bullied too, and parents need to teach their kids not to bully other kids.

As for the AR-15s..... this country is so obsessed with guns, and misinterpreting the 2nd amendment, I guess thoughts and prayers is the only action that will be taken.

MartinSE 05-26-2022 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 2098927)
As someone else posted, the problem is the culture here in the USA. Far too many parents need or want to work two jobs, leaving their children to their own devices for far too long a time. These shooters always give out signs of some sort regarding their intentions. Parents need to make their children feel loved and do their due diligence. Sometimes that means searching their rooms and looking into their computers.
The answer, IMHO, starts at home.
The US has about 23% single parent families. And Great Britain has about 21%. The last school shooting in GB was in 1996, and a law was passed banning some guns and there has not been another since.

I am NOT saying banning guns would solve the problem here. I am saying there is a tendency to blame mental illness (people are mentally ill all love rate world), single parent homes, (we are not alone), Social Media (there entire world uses it), video games, (everyone plays them all over the world),violent movies (everyone watches them all over the world).

And yet, school shootings like this ONLY happen in the US. The single factor I have found consistently is we are the only country with 400 million guns in circulation.

ThirdOfFive 05-26-2022 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tklloop (Post 2098972)
It’s amazing how most on this site repost the same old talking points from Fox noise and the far right gun nutz! The issue is very simple,,,,, stronger background checks- what we have now is lame and useless! Not one person in america needs to own an Assault rifle! NO ONE!. Not one person in America needs to own body armor! If any 18 year old child purchases an Assault rifle, body armor, and massive ammo,,,,RED FLAG folks!
What is an "assault" rifle?

Worldseries27 05-26-2022 06:56 AM
A call to arms
 
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Originally Posted by martinse (Post 2098842)
350 million guns have not been around forever. And it is growing at historic rates, just like school shootings - coincidence? Number of guns has tripled since 2000. You remember 2000? The year after the first school shooting - columbine.

Yeah, another thing that has changed, concerning what has changed, just a week ago wasn't it that the crazy quoted replacement theory for killing 10 people.

Whack jobs are everywhere, in every country in every society. Only the us has mass shootings in school - constantly. Only in the us. What does the us have that no other country in the world has? 350 million guns in circulation.

I have nothing against responsible gun owners or gun ownership. I can't think of any way 350 million guns can be collected. It is not going to happen.

So, how about we all get together and figure out a way to keep responsible gun owners happy and armed, while at the same time creating fewer mourning parents. 231 school shootings in the 22 years since columbine.

Or, would everyone like to just keep calling each other naming and spewing "facts" like guns don't kill people. Yeah guns do nothing until a person picks it up, the gun is used to kill 21 people in under 2 minutes.

I have heard someone say crazies will find a way, like using a car to drive into a crowd. Yeah, true, and when was the last time a crazy drove a car into a crowded class room and killed 19 children?
i believe there are enough active reservists in each state who could be assigned to all schools to man a central entrance with metal detectors to protect the children
this is a low cost solution since the reservists are already being paid.
If you are waiting for gun control laws to be passed be prepared to wait decades if then.

MartinSE 05-26-2022 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2099005)
Absolutely!

Back in the day, the "day" in question being 1965, guns in school was nothing out of the ordinary. Gun safety training was offered at the high school I attended and on the range days seeing kids with guns on buses was totally normal. We had to store them at the Principal's office until range time but the ammo we just carried loose in our pockets. Oh--and no self-respecting lad at my school would EVER be caught without his trusty Barlow pocket knife. Saw a teacher borrow one from a kid one time when the pencil sharpener was on the fritz.

The three biggest behavior problems were talking in class, chewing gum and running in the halls. And even then, you didn't want your parents knowing. Mom and Dad had a talk with each of us at a young age: "never get in trouble at school and complain to us about it, because you'll be in twice as much trouble when you get home". And they meant it.

Oh--just about all of came from two married parents households, raised to take responsibility for our actions, respect hard work, and to take pride in academic accomplishments. One of the proudest days of my high-school life was when I was invited to join the National Honor Society. School was a privilege, not an obligation.

Guns were as deadly back then as they are now. But being raised in the right circumstances, with the right values, meant that we respected guns much as would respect any other tool. Blaming the guns for today's ills is on the same par as blaming the fork because you gained ten pounds. Want to fix the problem? Fix the FAMILY.
US single parent homes - 23%, Great Britain single parent homes - 21%.

Care to guess how many school shootings GB has had since the last school shooting in 1996 after which they banned most guns?

Mulliganguy 05-26-2022 06:57 AM
Not really, in those days you knew there were life or death consequences. Today the whacko’s actually get away with murder. Just saying.

MartinSE 05-26-2022 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by me4vt (Post 2098953)
What do You expect when Americans take GOD out of everything and insert the Worldly ways into everything?? Guns have never killed anyone, it’s the person using the Gun!
Please show me any post here that someone claimed GUN KILL PEOPLE. Absolutely, people kill people, and EVERY school mass killing involves the USE of guns. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Guns facilitate killing - you know, maybe that is why they are used in WARS. SO people can kill more people faster and easier.

That OLD NRA sloan is well worn out.

KYtoTV2021 05-26-2022 07:00 AM
Oh those liberals with their rose-colored glasses (and blinders)
 
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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 2098784)
19 innocent children, 2 dedicated teachers, lives lost, solution????? More guns, bigger prisons, NOT. Japan, no guns unless police and military, murder rate .3 percent per 100,000, America, 4.7 per 100,000. Mental health wake up call.
So, this dude thinks that taking away firearms from law-abiding citizens will make us safer? Does he/she think that the bad guys will turn in their guns? What a bunch of liberal/theoretical nonsense.

In the 1930s, Germany took away all firearms from citizens. How did that turn out?
Ditto Russia and North Korea.

Washington DC, Baltimore, MD and Chicago, IL have the most restrictive handgun laws in the country, yet among the very highest incidents of handgun violence.

If the bad guys breaking into my house know that I am certainly unarmed, who has the advantage?

C'mon man -- take off those liberal rose-colored glasses and THINK.

ThirdOfFive 05-26-2022 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2099018)
US single parent homes - 23%, Great Britain single parent homes - 21%.

Care to guess how many school shootings GB has had since the last school shooting in 1996 after which they banned most guns?
My thought is that GB for the most part has been able to retain the values that existed back in 1965.

retiredguy123 05-26-2022 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2099000)
Growing up see war movies and cowboy movies and we all carried pocket knives and cap pistols.

How come the older generation has not killed itself off?

Do not know the answer but taken guns from law abiding citizens is not it.
I used to love cap pistols and firecrackers. Gone.

But, there seems to be more guns on television now than there were when I was growing up.

MDLNB 05-26-2022 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Hancie2 (Post 2098881)
Was disappointed when driving around the villages and seeing so few flags at half mast. Where is the respect? Maybe we should start there, with respect for each other.

Why? If we put flags at half mast every time there was a death, then we would have to have them at half mast ALL the time. How about half mast when there is an abortion, car accident death, Covid death, etc.? Respect? PC? Ethics? Morality? Manners? All gone! Chipped away by banning prayer in public, law enforcement, common sense, and making excuses for plain old bad behavior.

MDLNB 05-26-2022 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2099021)
Please show me any post here that someone claimed GUN KILL PEOPLE. Absolutely, people kill people, and EVERY school mass killing involves the USE of guns. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Guns facilitate killing - you know, maybe that is why they are used in WARS. SO people can kill more people faster and easier.

That OLD NRA sloan is well worn out.

Sorry, but PEOPLE are the problem, not guns. Take away the bad people and you have no problems. Take away the tools, and you still have the bad people and you still have the same problem, only a different method. When a child hits another child with a toy fire truck and you take the toy away from him, he will just find some other means to bully the other child. Take away the bad child (or correct him in such manner that makes him too scared of the consequences) and you eliminate the problem. Taking away the tool of the crime does not eliminate the causation.

You can stop a shooter with another shooter. If the bad guy uses a bomb instead, you cannot stop him with another bomb. If he uses a knife, do you stop him with another knife? If you outlaw all means of violence, someone will just invent a new method. The answer is to eliminate the cause of the violence. If you cannot fix the person then you must eliminate his ability to perpetrate violence. You lock him up, or in extreme cases you put him down.

Snprentice 05-26-2022 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2098800)
Maybe we should not let our children play violent video games that gives them the idea that it's ok to kill people ?
I agree with your statement. Young children are playing these games and have no idea of reality. These games make them feel powerful and in control. Violent video games need to he taken off the market.

paulajr 05-26-2022 07:22 AM
False
 
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2098844)
Sorry, this shooter did not lie on the background check, Texas doesn’t require one. He just turned 18 and legally purchased 2 ar15s a day later and then killed 21 people.

It’s hard to enforce laws that don’t exist.
PolitiFact | No proof for claim in wake of Uvalde that 50% of Texas guns sales lack background checks


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