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Scorpyo 06-23-2020 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1790282)
Actually you are very wrong about China and their history.

Was fortunate to spend some time touring there last year and saw a lot of history.

From the Forbidden city to Terracotta warriors they do know and study their history.

They are still a communist dictatorship and keep a lot of control of their country.
I won’t say you’re wrong as you said I was. Yes China has rebuilt many tourist sites as you as an admitted tourist visited. Here’s a link you might enjoy reading. There’s others as well.
China's Destruction of Cultural Sites During the Cultural Revolution - Vision Times

Cranford61 06-23-2020 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Fanfaron2020 (Post 1789925)
The reason the lunatic left are toppling statues is because nobody really cares that much about statues and therefore are not willing to confront them. So, they get the 'news' they are looking for with little resistance. I call it COWARDICE at its lowest level. Nuff said.
Statue of Liberty next.

coffeebean 06-23-2020 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1789917)
Columbus actually did enslave many thousands of indigenous people and presided over the deaths of hundreds of thousands, it is thought. Not a very nice guy.
Christopher Columbus - Wikipedia
WOW. Never was taught about that in history when I was a kid. I was very much unaware of that part of CC history.

coffeebean 06-23-2020 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1790114)
You are right, bigotry isn't only in the South. Furthermore, it isn't one sided. You are not born with hate, it has to be taught. First at home, then in some houses of worship and on the playgrounds at school. From the parents to the children to their peers. It spreads like a virus, and like a virus it doesn't reason it just destroys.
Bigotry comes in many forms, racial, cultural, religious, regional, and any thing you can imagine. Remember the old song by Randy Newman, "Short people" that showed the stupidity of bigotry? The peaceful protest brings light to a subject that needs to be addressed. Riots, lawlessness, vandalism only adds to the perceived and flawed evidence that supposedly justify bigotry.
Peacefully and lawfully working together and acknowledging advancements and improvement is essential. Once a people were enslaved but they are enslaved no more. Once there was segregation, but segregation is gone. Once a people had no hope of a better life, now many of the people of all historical backgrounds live the American dream, able to attain any station in life up to and including the Presidency. No matter how hard, it is possible if you stop instilling hate and providing excuses for failure.
To me and many others, " Liberty and Justice For All" isn't just a catchy phrase, it is a Commandment!
Sounds like the song from "South Pacific" by Rodgers and Hammerstein.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-23-2020 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1790222)
Not when I was attending. Columbus discovered America in 1492. After the Indians, Vikings and most likely a few others. lol
Columbus didn't discover what North Americans mean when they claim he discovered America at all. Not in 1492 or at any other time, not before or after anyone else.

Columbus's first voyage brought him to the Bahamas, Hispanola, and Cuba.

His second voyage was Cuba and Hispanola.

His third was to the southeastern edge of Hispanola and the northeastern edge of South America, and Trinidad.

On his fourth and final voyage, Columbus came as close as he ever would to North America, skirting around Puerto Rico to Jamaica and to the coast of Central America, visiting Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica before finally turning back to Spain.

He never docked, dropped anchor, or set foot on the North American continent.

davem4616 06-23-2020 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cranford61 (Post 1790337)
Statue of Liberty next.

doubt it....she's protected with a moat called the Hudson River...nobody is bringing her down

only way a mob could get to the island would be to hijack a sight seeing boat...not gonna happen...way too much security to get on those with the tools to bring the lady down

any armada of small boats going out to the statue would quickly come to the attention of the Coast Guard and NYC Police boats....and nobody should ever make the mistake and try to mess with the tug boats

now, the zealot loner with the can of spray paint...different story altogether :ohdear:

jimjamuser 06-23-2020 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by carolandjohn (Post 1790233)
There certainly are many, many comments about "those people", "savages", "morons", "them:, "they", "thugs" and other names which a lot of writers are hiding behind. Surely you are brave enough to say what you mean.
Well said.

jimjamuser 06-23-2020 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ditka41 (Post 1790240)
I am highly offended by our cowboy statue. It is plainly sexist, and who knows what is happening to that poor little calf? I could not sleep last night just thinking about the unfairness of it. We should at least have one erected to honor Calamity Jane!
I suggest that a black cowgirl would do the trick.

Marvic 1 06-23-2020 02:01 PM
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For those that don't know it: The Statue of Liberty is no little Lady for those spoil punks to take her down....

jimjamuser 06-23-2020 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1790277)

Say what?! :22yikes:

Are you actually saying, that it was the indigenous people that gave Columbus' crew, and then European's, syphilis and other deadly diseases, instead of the truth...which is just the opposite? :oops:

I think we have a new GOAT...already. :D

GOAT (click here)



Click Here Too

While I was pretty confident of my prescience, even I couldn't imagine...it would be proved so soon. :1rotfl:
I am pretty sure that European settlers brought smallpox and other diseases to the colonies, which, I believe, killed off enormous numbers of eastern Native Americans. Our history undercounts the depopulation. Much later in the west, the US Army gave infected blankets (smallpox?) out to the western tribes on purpose, like those chemical weapons banned by the Geneva Convention. But, of course I am no way suggesting that Native Americans deserve their Reservation land or any future considerations or reparations. That would require a less flat Federal tax and national empathy. Will not happen.

LynnWM158 06-23-2020 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1789809)
Pretty sure Harold Schwartz was neither a slave-owner nor a white supremacist. He was also not a born/bred Southerner and therefore not qualified to be hated as a result of his ancestors being members of the Confederacy. So I'd say his statue is safe.

The guy on the horse, I don't know who he's supposed to be. So I don't know if that one's safe or not. I'm suspicious of the dog though.
Not everyone born and bred in the south has ancestors who were members of the confederacy.....none of my ancestors were slave owners or members of the confederacy. Sounds like you might have a bit of prejudice

jimjamuser 06-23-2020 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1790114)
You are right, bigotry isn't only in the South. Furthermore, it isn't one sided. You are not born with hate, it has to be taught. First at home, then in some houses of worship and on the playgrounds at school. From the parents to the children to their peers. It spreads like a virus, and like a virus it doesn't reason it just destroys.
Bigotry comes in many forms, racial, cultural, religious, regional, and any thing you can imagine. Remember the old song by Randy Newman, "Short people" that showed the stupidity of bigotry? The peaceful protest brings light to a subject that needs to be addressed. Riots, lawlessness, vandalism only adds to the perceived and flawed evidence that supposedly justify bigotry.
Peacefully and lawfully working together and acknowledging advancements and improvement is essential. Once a people were enslaved but they are enslaved no more. Once there was segregation, but segregation is gone. Once a people had no hope of a better life, now many of the people of all historical backgrounds live the American dream, able to attain any station in life up to and including the Presidency. No matter how hard, it is possible if you stop instilling hate and providing excuses for failure.
To me and many others, " Liberty and Justice For All" isn't just a catchy phrase, it is a Commandment!
Good post, except .....Segregation is alive, well, and still flourishing in the tribal, ghetto, and difficult to escape areas in MOST US cities, big and small. Don't believe small? Go live in Arcadia, Fl. for 1 month and do some research.

jimjamuser 06-23-2020 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1790282)
Actually you are very wrong about China and their history.

Was fortunate to spend some time touring there last year and saw a lot of history.

From the Forbidden city to Terracotta warriors they do know and study their history.

They are still a communist dictatorship and keep a lot of control of their country.
Tourist do not see the dark underbelly of anywhere (even TV). You have to live somewhere to know the spectrum of issues.

manaboutown 06-23-2020 02:41 PM
I do hope The Villages protects itself from the Burning Looting Mob.

DeanFL 06-23-2020 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1790426)
I do hope The Villages protects itself from the Burning Looting Mob.

I say - if there is a threat, move our statues to Shooter's World. Use the bad folks attempting destruction as target practice. Of course, just glaze shots to the leg only as a warning.


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