Well the zebra is about as integrated as it gets.

Wonder if they still make integrated ice cream sodas in NYC? Chocolate syrup with vanilla ice cream and whipped cream.

I think I saw Gracie with an AK 47 guarding Harold's statue the other day. :icon_wink:

ALL Racist statues should go...not ALL statues are racist....

When will they rename New York and Yale?

It will take a lot of dynamite to blow up Mt Rushmore.

I'm trying to find it but "if" I remember some history from way back, Samuel Ellis, who owned Ellis Island and was named for, was a slave owner. The name Effy comes to mind. Might be a busy night.
Steve

Found it....interesting stuff....history I mean.


Reports of Cases Adjudged in the Supreme Court of Judicature of the State of ... - New York (State). Supreme Court, William Johnson - Google Books

Steve

Mere slave owners are amateurs compared to Duke of York and Yale. They were both slave traders. York's company brought more slaves to the new world than any other person.

And who gets to decide if statues should go? A mob?

Last I heard we are a nation of laws.

We can rename their baseball team the New Indigenous Peoples Yankees.

Rape, slavery and plunder has been in the history of the world. Every race and nationality has engaged in this practice. Greeks, Egyptians, Asians, Africans, Asians, Europeans, American Indians, Pacific Islanders, Incans, Aztecs, etc. That was the way of the world and probably still is in many ways.

Yet, there were still several notable persons that advanced the world in significant ways. They are the ones remembered for both good and bad. Some of these persons were not good people and I would suggest Hitler as an example. There may be a statue of him somewhere. But the fact that he was not good does not justify destruction. Better to leave it as an example of changing values. Would be a better example to future populations to be able to see the image and story of what was once admired as a warning . Destroying statues is simply vandalism at the very least.

Saw some reference that because someone born in the north having a statue is immune unless he owned slaves. Well that doesn't stop anything. Destroying public property or private property should not be condoned by anyone.

Think about someone who was molested by someone else who was murdered by a policeman. Does the molested person have a right to destroy the murdered man's tombstone?

So... When you were there, how many monuments did you see celebrating Mao's Great Leap Forward (20 million deaths) and Mao's Cultural Revolution (hundreds of thousands more)?

And when you visited TianAnMen square there in central Beijing I'm sure you couldn't have missed the memorial to the 1989 massacre of students by Peoples Liberation Army tanks...

Maybe we should say the Chinese know and study the version of history that the Communist Party finds it convenient to teach them. Other ideas not welcome.