[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

No one is suggesting banning of all guns. That is a straw man argument.

You need to research the anti-gun organizations. They started out demanding the total prohibition of ownership of firearms by the citizenry. They only changed their message to banning certain "dangerous" firearms because a total ban didn't play well with most Americans. Their goal of total banning of firearms has not changed. A leopard can't change its spots.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by mikeycereal

Thanks for providing this for those who "claim" ignorance. Nobody "needs" these types of weapons. And it's not because they "look scary." Unfortunately this is just a little friendly chat site where others like us can simply choose to argue the point back and forth and the info should be pounded into the lawmakers because they either don't seem to get it or choose to ignore it.

I'm all for tougher background checks. Maybe having family members come along to ok the purchase and verify that their son/sibling/husband isn't some stockpiling psycho with revenge as a motive. Yes it's come to that point where mommy and daddy need to sign off already. And yeah it's been like that where a few bad apples make it a hassle for everyone, I get it but that's where we've been.

The same needs to be mandated when it comes to voting in an election. Someone needs to vouch for the capability of the voter to cast an informed vote. Do you think a senile or mentally ill individual has the capability to make an intelligent decision? There needs to be a tougher background check to affirm the person is legally allowed to vote and insure they are who they say they are.

[Number 10 GI]

Weapons of war is scare tactic invented to make a certain firearm sound more menacing than it really is. The English long bow was a devastating weapon on the ancient battlefield where their use often decided the outcome of the battle. Clubs, war hammers, swords, and knives have all been weapons of war. Every type of firearm ever made has been used at one time or another as a weapon of war.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Weapons of war is scare tactic invented to make a certain firearm sound more menacing than it really is. The English long bow was a devastating weapon on the ancient battlefield where their use often decided the outcome of the battle. Clubs, war hammers, swords, and knives have all been weapons of war. Every type of firearm ever made has been used at one time or another as a weapon of war.

We are talking about weapons used today in the Ukraine-Russian war not about Agincourt. These are assault weapons and many other kinds.


And I kind of doubt that anyone would allow scythes attached to golf cart wheels like the thousands of years they had battles between chariots to go around here in the Villages.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

You need to research the anti-gun organizations. They started out demanding the total prohibition of ownership of firearms by the citizenry. They only changed their message to banning certain "dangerous" firearms because a total ban didn't play well with most Americans. Their goal of total banning of firearms has not changed. A leopard can't change its spots.

I kind of think that is a false flag so to speak. In the sense that maybe that was the case when they started but they saw how impractical that would be.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

The same needs to be mandated when it comes to voting in an election. Someone needs to vouch for the capability of the voter to cast an informed vote. Do you think a senile or mentally ill individual has the capability to make an intelligent decision? There needs to be a tougher background check to affirm the person is legally allowed to vote and insure they are who they say they are.

We are a democracy. Idiots get to vote. There have been all kinds of abuses trying to keep people away from voting polls in US history. Usually people who were racially
and /or religiously different from those who controlled who could vote.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

We are talking about weapons used today in the Ukraine-Russian war not about Agincourt. These are assault weapons and many other kinds.


And I kind of doubt that anyone would allow scythes attached to golf cart wheels like the thousands of years they had battles between chariots to go around here in the Villages.

But we are not talking about weapons used in Ukraines war. Those weapons are Assault Weapons, they have the ability to fire single shot, burst of three shots, and full automatic. Hold the trigger and all thirty rounds go.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

Unless you are an active duty soldier, you should be deprived from owning an AK rifle. Those weapons are for obliterating an enemy in war. Pretty sure we can live without them on our US streets. “Well regulated militia “ not free for all of all weapons by anybody who wants one.

These statements are nothing but inane nonsense.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

These statements are nothing but inane nonsense.

That is your opinion.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Whitley

But we are not talking about weapons used in Ukraines war. Those weapons are Assault Weapons, they have the ability to fire single shot, burst of three shots, and full automatic. Hold the trigger and all thirty rounds go.

Look up the weapons used in the Ukraine-Russian war.

List of Russo-Ukrainian War military equipment - Wikipedia

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Very funny about the land mines and all that!

I agree about watching for signs of mental illness. That could potentially have stopped several tragic multiple shootings such as in some schools and Las Vegas as well as some bombings such as those of the Unabomber, at the Boston Marathon and in Oklahoma City although it might be difficult to effectively implement except in a police state such as Cuba, China, Russia, Venezuela and the like.

I would definitely bring back and enforce the death penalty for first degree murder and multiple shootings.

Life in Prison for Fentanyl pushers and producers. The US loses 100 thousand citizens each year to Fentanyl. That is like the loss in a World WAR.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Look up the weapons used in the Ukraine-Russian war.

List of Russo-Ukrainian War military equipment - Wikipedia

OK, I looked them up. What is that supposed to accomplish? I really think you simply do not understand what you are speaking of. For instance, I did not see an AR15 there? So then you are OK with AR15's because they are not used in Ukraine? If we want to be picky, they are using guns in Ukraine from the early 1900's. The list shows that a bolt action rifle from 1891 is being used in the Russia-Ukraine war. Outlaw it? Are you suggesting all guns being used in Ukraine should be illegal? Even the ones that are over 100 years old? Based on what? Because they are used in Ukraine. It is a nonsensical point of view. You have advocated making guns illegal if 1) they are being used in ukraine and 2) their muzzle velocity if greater than a handgun. That just about covers every rifle after Black Powder.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Of course not, they are not vigilantes. They own guns to protect themselves, their families and at times others from vicious armed thugs who carjack, rob, burglarize and commit other crimes, some of which are unspeakable.

There are so many mass violence incidents that it is hard to keep track of them. And I would predict that it is going to keep INCREASING. The one that scalded me was in Texas by a man (illegal) that had been DEPORTED 4 times. And he came back 4 times, obviously. If someone is deported it means that a country does NOT want him in that Country. For coming back from deportation a judge should give him 5 years in prison. So, for him to keep coming g back, that SHOULD take 20 years out of his life.
.......Personally, if I am going to be shot dead by some nutcase, I would MUCH prefer that I was shot by a REAL US CITIZEN nutcase, not an illegal. That would be TOO GREAT of an INSULT!!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Of course not, they are not vigilantes. They own guns to protect themselves, their families and at times others from vicious armed thugs who carjack, rob, burglarize and commit other crimes, some of which are unspeakable.

It seems to me that when bad guys have guns and good guys have guns, that the bad guys STILL have a BIG advantage over the good guys. Just like in basketball or football, the OFFENSE has the advantage over the defense because the offense (bad guys) control the situation........like when and where they are going to STRIKE. THE DEFENSE (good guys) is always REACTING to the offense. So, they're often a few steps behind.
......When a bad guy commits a crime, it is called an offense. Maybe a coincidence, but just like a football team's offense, the bad guys call the plays and know WHEN the ball is snapped.
.......That's why the bad guys have the EDGE. So, it does NOT matter if the good guys have lots of guns like in the US or FEWER guns like in England or Australia.

[Taltarzac725]

Many of these mass shooters and/or killers look to be mentally ill and are trying to get shot by law enforcement. So the death penalty would not be much of a deterrent as brought up by another poster.

I recall a deranged woman in Reno, Nevada running down people in her car. That made news for a long time. Sadly these events have become almost a daily occurrence. Priscilla Ford - Wikipedia

Victims identified in deadly car ramming near downtown Reno homeless shelter | KRNV And I had not even heard of this of man running down pedestrians last month in Reno, Nevada.

Turner was arrested on one count of open murder and two counts of attempted murder after telling police he drove into the pedestrians on purpose.