Originally Posted by Haggar (Post 2214509)

What is the basis for that statement? How many times has that happened? Many? - it happens occasionally I suppose but I can't really recall reading about it more than a few times in my lifetime.

I did read recently about the youth who was shot because he knocked on the wrong door.

We're thought about having a gun in the house. However don't really seeing us being the winner in a shoot-out.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2214650)

Attempting to have an intellectual discussion with some people is so challenging.

You post the links to 4 different articles on what supposed scholars believe the founding fathers meant. Not one was to a court decision.

I post the text of what the founding fathers actually said, and say I take the word of them, over what supposed scholars say they meant. You have nothing to refute their words, so you reply that it is the courts that will decide what they meant.

Then why did you post worthless links to commentaries other than the courts?

And I don't disagree that the courts will decide, but that does not mean they will be correct. We just have to accept their decisions, correct or not. At least until we get the opportunity to correct any errors they made, e.g Plessy vs Ferguson and Roe V. Wade.

Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2214656)

Please tell us exactly what a “assault weapon is“ and how it’s different from other firearms. I await your reply.



QUOTE=Taltarzac725;2214001]Would you allow homeowners to plant land mines, use grenades, flamethrowers, etc. to protect themselves? Probably not as they could easily blow themselves up or burn their homes down.

Flamethrowers, grenades, land mines are for warfare as also are assault weapons of various kinds.

A ban of some weapons meant for battlefields would at least cut down the flow of these into some areas and into some hands. Red flag laws and close monitoring of those with mental illness by friends, co-workers, and family could also help.

Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2214658)

Please tell me how old AK 47 or as you call it “a weapon of war” is different than any other legally own firearm? How does it function differently? I await your reply.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2214585)

What I happening in Florida is just Woke shenanigans mainly by a man in political office.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2214581)

Exactly my point. But, that is the comparison made in this thread by multiple people. Glad we can agree on one point...it is absolutely rediculous to compare what is happening in FL to Nazi Germany.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2214581)

Exactly my point. But, that is the comparison made in this thread by multiple people. Glad we can agree on one point...it is absolutely rediculous to compare what is happening in FL to Nazi Germany.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2214572)

I couldn't read the NYT article without paying, and that definitely wasn't going to happen.

I guess our disagreement is based on different definition of terms, exacerbated by people who compare books being banned in schools with Nazi Germany.

Books banned by Nazi Germany were burned and not allowed to be owned. Books banned in Florida (NOT BY STATE OF FLORIDA, but by local school districts) are banned only from public schools while parents and others are allowed to own them and provide them to their children if they so desire. Major difference.

There are many cases that uphold that banning books in schools violates the first amendment. The only Supreme Court case I could find was a 4-4 split. So, that cannot be considered settled law.

But, I would like you to go on record as supporting Playboy, Penthouse, and Guns and Ammo, or the Shades of Gray series in Public schools because the children have a first amendment right to them. If you do support that, we know where you stand. If you don't support that, we know that you are a hypcrite.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2213988)

Live updates: Atlanta Midtown shooting news

I recall writing a top lawyer in San Francisco at a law firm which had just had a shooting inside and he had written back to me that they did not have the resources to do anything about addressing the needs of survivors/victims of these kind of crimes. One of which had just happened at his law firm.

My concern in writing the lawyer was access to practical materials for survivors/victims of crimes in SF Bay Area law libraries and other kinds of libraries.

But I do think that law firm was a major driver towards a assault weapons ban that went into effect. 101 California Street shooting - Wikipedia

Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by TeresaE (Post 2214707)

I remember this shooting. It was a personal beef between the shooter and the law firm. SFPD SWAT was on the scene immediately because they were doing training exercises nearby. There was so much confusion from the 911 calls that the SWAT team thought there were multiple shooters not just one guy. But no matter how fast the cops respond they will never be there in time to stop these nuts. Only another gun will. That’s a sad fact. The gun restrictions enacted post event are meaningless. Until we find a way to end jealousy, greed, anger and rage we will have violence. As a species we must own that.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2214710)

Except that the kind of guns used often will allow the perpetrator to murder far more people. Thinking of the scenes from Saving Private Ryan and the weapons used during that landing. Those kind of weapons used in battles should be restricted to the military as much as possible. Something like them was pointed at a crowd in Las Vegas at a country-western concert by a man who collected weapons if memory serves. Stephen Paddock - Wikipedia AR-15 style rifle - Wikipedia ArmaLite AR-10 - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2214712)

The Las Vegas shooter used a bump stock. I don't think they were used during Saving Private Ryan times by the military as they had actual automatic weapons. Movie scenes are not real, but fantasy, just like some of the allegations in your arguments.