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jimjamuser 05-05-2023 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2214313)
It seems like the US is at WAR with ITSELf. It seems that we need NEW TOOLS against drugs, gangs, and cartels. I suggested patrolling DRONES overhead around The Villages..........and people FREAKED OUT........saying that something like that would be too "Big Brother" and would somehow hurt the independent individuality of the average Village resident. The problem is that the THREAT of drugs, gangs, and cartels is so MUCH of a greater PROBLEM that a few Village residents getting their feelings hurt. They are going to be PHYSICALLY hurt if the Villages does NOT hire enough POLICE to keep things here safe.
.......So, that is why new technology involving stationary cameras and cameras on DRONES are needed to keep the "BAD GUYS" at bay.
The US IS at war with itself right now. Fentanyl made in China is coming in, probably, through Mexico and killing about 100,000 US citizens per year. Notice that about 4 years ago we would hear of one mass murder event per month - today it is almost one mass murder in the US per day - and, believe it or NOT, it will continue to get worse until it touches even TV Land.
......Of course, one major problem is the massive number of guns in the US. For those who, mistakenly want to discount this factor just look at a chart of murders BY COUNTRY. The US is, by far the leader, #1. It is probably too late to change that fact, the NRA has bought up all the US leaders in Washington. But, the CHAOS and disunity within the US are also to blame. Today the unification of America is directly opposite to what it was during and after WW2.
.........Today's Washington leaders are NOT working for America, they are working for their particular Party and forget America!

jimjamuser 05-05-2023 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2214661)
These “assault rifles” cannot fire rounds, any faster than any other hunting rifle! They are semi automatic, which means one pull of the trigger is one bullet. They are not fully automatic machine guns! And in fact, my Weatherby hunting rifle has a bullet that’s four times as large. It does a lot more damage . I’m tired of the ignorance on this matter because people don’t educate themselves, they only go by what the MSM tells them. ������������
People are about as hard to kill with a bullet as a groundhog or a fox, which is to say they are easy to kill - as animals go, humans are very weak. Smart, but weak. Now a 300 magnum is designed to kill moose and grizzly bears, not humans because it would be OVERKILL.
.......The 223 cartridge in a semi-auto short rifle is the perfect weapon to kill masses of humans. The main reason is that because of the LOW RECOIL the 223 cartridge can be used efficiently by criminals and crazy people that need NOT go to a range and practice shooting accuracy. It is SIMPLY easy to SHOOT. If a deranged person wants to shoot/kill about 4 people, they can accomplish that with a handgun. But, for the more ambitious crazies, they need a semi-auto short barrel 223 to attempt to kill between 5 to 10.
........The 223 in a AR-15 short rifle style has become the most popular man-killing weapon in the US. People are NOT buying them to HUNT groundhogs and foxes. HINT.......you might think that a SMART government would be able to take the popular MAN-KILLERS off of the MARKET. But, I guess that little gem of knowledge is beyond the good old USA.

JMintzer 05-06-2023 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2214653)
Could you please define exactly what a “assault weapon” is and how it’s different than other firearms??
They can't and that is the crux of the problem...

JMintzer 05-06-2023 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2214655)
And your quotes look like something pointed out by the NRA recently.
Are you denying that they are actual quotes from the Founding Fathers?

Or are they simply quotes you don't like?

JMintzer 05-06-2023 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2214682)
Please tell us exactly what a “assault weapon is“ and how it’s different from other firearms. I await your reply.
An assault rifle is relatively light with a short barrel and a semi-automatic action with the capability to go full automatic. A key point is the cartridge used in the weapon. The cartridge must have a high velocity to cause bad wounds and ALSO to have a flat trajectory out to about 300 yds so it is easy for the soldier to use without changing sights or consulting a trajectory table. Also, the cartridge MUST have low recoil because most soldiers have problems with recoil and may flinch or jerk the trigger. So, high velocity and low recoil demand a 22 caliber cartridge and the .223 fits that bill. Also, the small caliber allows MORE ammo to be carried.[/QUOTE]

The only part of your statement that was correct was the first sentence... (except for the "short barrel" part)

Everything after that was garbage...

JMintzer 05-06-2023 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2214682)
An assault rifle is relatively light with a short barrel and a semi-automatic action with the capability to go full automatic. A key point is the cartridge used in the weapon. The cartridge must have a high velocity to cause bad wounds and ALSO to have a flat trajectory out to about 300 yds so it is easy for the soldier to use without changing sights or consulting a trajectory table. Also, the cartridge MUST have low recoil because most soldiers have problems with recoil and may flinch or jerk the trigger. So, high velocity and low recoil demand a 22 caliber cartridge and the .223 fits that bill. Also, the small caliber allows MORE ammo to be carried.
The only part of your statement that was correct was the first sentence... (except for the "short barrel" part)

Everything after that was garbage...

JMintzer 05-06-2023 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2214684)
The main attribute of the AK 47 was it was easy to produce and manufacturing tolerances did NOT have to be exact. Because of this, it could be THROWN into a mud puddle and other abuse and it would come up FIRING.
Which has nothing to do with the civilian version being an assault weapon...

Just more "word salad"...

JMintzer 05-06-2023 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2214689)
Lots of similarities - Hitler attacked his foil, the Jewish people. In Florida they attack Mickey Mouse. And school teachers and school children. Notice.........just some available group that is relatively weak.
Disgusting comparison...

JMintzer 05-06-2023 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2214701)
Book baning like any BAD policy can start out small and then expand into burning like in Fascist Germany.
Good thing no one is banning books...

JMintzer 05-06-2023 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2214710)
Except that the kind of guns used often will allow the perpetrator to murder far more people. Thinking of the scenes from Saving Private Ryan and the weapons used during that landing. Those kind of weapons used in battles should be restricted to the military as much as possible. Something like them was pointed at a crowd in Las Vegas at a country-western concert by a man who collected weapons if memory serves. Stephen Paddock - Wikipedia AR-15 style rifle - Wikipedia ArmaLite AR-10 - Wikipedia
Those were MACHINE GUNS!!!

NO ONE is talking about MACHINE GUNS!!!

And the Vegas shooter did not use "something like them"...

This is why it is pointless to have a conversation with people who refuse to educate themselves, and those who completely ignore the facts of the discussion, even when given those facts time and time again...

JMintzer 05-06-2023 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2214714)
My late father of my sister-in-law landed in Normandy a few weeks after that battle and he found Saving Private Ryan very realistic. He met people who had been there on D-Day.

And you people are sure bringing up the personal attacks a lot. I never said that the Nazis had bump stocks. They had MG 42 - Wikipedia which is an very fast firing machine gun.
And NO ONE is suggesting that every Tom, Dick & Harry have one of those!

JMintzer 05-06-2023 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2214718)
The US IS at war with itself right now. Fentanyl made in China is coming in, probably, through Mexico and killing about 100,000 US citizens per year. Notice that about 4 years ago we would hear of one mass murder event per month - today it is almost one mass murder in the US per day - and, believe it or NOT, it will continue to get worse until it touches even TV Land.
......Of course, one major problem is the massive number of guns in the US. For those who, mistakenly want to discount this factor just look at a chart of murders BY COUNTRY. The US is, by far the leader, #1. It is probably too late to change that fact, the NRA has bought up all the US leaders in Washington. But, the CHAOS and disunity within the US are also to blame. Today the unification of America is directly opposite to what it was during and after WW2.
.........Today's Washington leaders are NOT working for America, they are working for their particular Party and forget America!
Complete nonsense...

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JMintzer 05-06-2023 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2214719)
People are about as hard to kill with a bullet as a groundhog or a fox, which is to say they are easy to kill - as animals go, humans are very weak. Smart, but weak. Now a 300 magnum is designed to kill moose and grizzly bears, not humans because it would be OVERKILL.
.......The 223 cartridge in a semi-auto short rifle is the perfect weapon to kill masses of humans. The main reason is that because of the LOW RECOIL the 223 cartridge can be used efficiently by criminals and crazy people that need NOT go to a range and practice shooting accuracy. It is SIMPLY easy to SHOOT. If a deranged person wants to shoot/kill about 4 people, they can accomplish that with a handgun. But, for the more ambitious crazies, they need a semi-auto short barrel 223 to attempt to kill between 5 to 10.
........The 223 in a AR-15 short rifle style has become the most popular man-killing weapon in the US. People are NOT buying them to HUNT groundhogs and foxes. HINT.......you might think that a SMART government would be able to take the popular MAN-KILLERS off of the MARKET. But, I guess that little gem of knowledge is beyond the good old USA.
Wrong again...

The .223/5.56 cartridge was chosen due to it's light weight (you could carry more) and that they tend to WOUND, not KILL. Hence, it would take more people out of the fight. Those wounded and those tending to the wounded...

Many of the troops complain that it is not deadly enough of a round...

Taltarzac725 05-06-2023 07:32 AM
I enjoy your input.

Gun experts: Las Vegas shooter used '''fully''' automatic weapon - ABC7 New York

Please keep posting and learn to use the Ignore List function. There are some people and posts really not worth reading.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2214719)
People are about as hard to kill with a bullet as a groundhog or a fox, which is to say they are easy to kill - as animals go, humans are very weak. Smart, but weak. Now a 300 magnum is designed to kill moose and grizzly bears, not humans because it would be OVERKILL.
.......The 223 cartridge in a semi-auto short rifle is the perfect weapon to kill masses of humans. The main reason is that because of the LOW RECOIL the 223 cartridge can be used efficiently by criminals and crazy people that need NOT go to a range and practice shooting accuracy. It is SIMPLY easy to SHOOT. If a deranged person wants to shoot/kill about 4 people, they can accomplish that with a handgun. But, for the more ambitious crazies, they need a semi-auto short barrel 223 to attempt to kill between 5 to 10.
........The 223 in a AR-15 short rifle style has become the most popular man-killing weapon in the US. People are NOT buying them to HUNT groundhogs and foxes. HINT.......you might think that a SMART government would be able to take the popular MAN-KILLERS off of the MARKET. But, I guess that little gem of knowledge is beyond the good old USA.

Larchap49 05-06-2023 07:32 AM
Gun ban
 
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2214001)
Would you allow homeowners to plant land mines, use grenades, flamethrowers, etc. to protect themselves? Probably not as they could easily blow themselves up or burn their homes down.

Flamethrowers, grenades, land mines are for warfare as also are assault weapons of various kinds.

A ban of some weapons meant for battlefields would at least cut down the flow of these into some areas and into some hands. Red flag laws and close monitoring of those with mental illness by friends, co-workers, and family could also help.
You sir are a dreamer. How did outlawing prostitution work? How did outlawing drugs work? How did Prohibition work 100 years ago. Criminals are criminals and pay no attention to laws or bans. They will do what they do with impunity knowing no law abiding citizen is armed to prevent it. Not to mention gov------nt. There are loopholes that could be closed and monitoring of the unwell mentally ill, but a ban deprived the wrong people and removes too many deterrents.


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