[mikeycereal]

From day 1 when I saw a news clip about a biological male breaking female records at a school I was against it. There's nothing fair about it. Males have bigger muscles and more stamina and stronger breathing.

It seemed like more and more were jumping on the "let them compete" bandwagon, with only few (the opposing young females and their parents complaining). Though this does not affect me either way, I'm happy to see more bans on this issue and would like to see it world wide to include schools.

If not banning then biological male trans can still compete, but against the same trans from other schools. Not enough to compete? Give it some time. We can still include them on the girls' teams and they sit out if none of them are on the other side and play when they are for now.

This should have never even been an issue, but somehow it came to be. The different world we live in.

[Andyb]

Are you serious?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Fltpkr

I think that is a silly and completely illogical response to serious issue. No individual or family with children facing a sexual identity issue takes this lightly or treats it as a running joke. No one “wakes up one morning” deciding they are actually of a different sex - it is typically the consequence of years of nagging doubts, frustration and fear, and incredible heartache from trying to fit into the expectations of others and facing the most incredible cruelty when they don’t. Most Villagers are old enough and experienced enough to have met people from all walks of life and know that we are not all cut from the same cloth and sexuality is not some hard and fast rule that everyone fits into neatly. I am not speaking to the issue of athletic competition but to all the demeaning, thoughtless, crude and silly comments that this issue provokes.

It's called abnormal behavior. A mental condition that should be addressed, not encouraged.

The Olympics authorities have drug testing for a reason. Enhancement drugs of any kind are prohibited, period. So a woman that has hormone therapy should NOT be allowed to participate. A man that "THINKS" he is a woman, dresses like one and identifies as one is not allowed to participate in female sports, period. What is so unreasonable about that?
If a guy wishes to imagine being a female, dress like one and act like one, that is fine. But, if he wishes to identify as one for sports, employment, benefits of any kind...he should be charged with fraud regardless of his mental state. That would be IF/IF they had such a charge...and they should. That's my opinion, and that does not make me intolerant, I just don't condone that kind of encouraged abnormal behavior. And don't try to convince me that this issue is anything other than abnormal behavior. It is not hate speech, just recognizing a scientific fact, that there is male DNA and there is female DNA. Pretend all you want, but pretending is a mental issue and pretending does not make fact.
We are not the only country participating in the Olympics. Other countries have a say also. If they wish to discriminate, we have very little to say in the matter.
A horse cannot participate in a dog race and the dog cannot participate in a horse race.

[Andyb]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

It has been announced that transgender women are banned from running in the 2024 Olympics against women. Some transgender comments about denying them the opportunity to participate. They are not being denied the opportunity. They just have to compete against people of their biological sex. Kind of like letting a heavyweight average boxer compete against a lightweight boxer. XY against XY, not XY against XX. Sports events are looking for the best, not the best imposter. If an XX wants to compete against an XY, let it happen, If a lightweight wants to compete against a heavyweight, let it happen. Go up to your best not down to your best.

Wonder how God feels about it?

[Bay Kid]

Where are the woman libber's? This should never be allowed. No common sense in this country anymore.

[bsouthworth47@yahoo.com]

Agree men should not be able to compete in women's sports. The only reason they want to is because they are not good enough to compete and win in men's sports.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I think it is vile to target transgender people whose lives must be difficult enough without being used as pawns in political ploys.

Attacks on transgenders — both verbal and physical attacks — are part of a movement to dehumanize others — and the number of people who are susceptible to joining in the hatred is appalling.

And don’t get me started on the incongruity of using “holiness” as an attempt to veil hatred and to obsess about what is between someone else’s legs. If an adult decides to do something totally legal, why should anyone else care.

BUT, that being said, I agree that transgender women should not be competing against female athletes who were born female. This is not just about the Olympics, it is about all levels of sports, from informal competitions to the awarding of scholarships. Height and strength can make all the difference in athletic competition……

Let’s be fair.

Boomer the Moderate (an endangered species)

I agree. Gender Dysphoria is listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR) as a “mental disorder.” It’s not a fun way to live, the way some teens and activists seem to see it, but a substantial disability that can make life difficult and unhappy, rather like obsessive-compulsive disorder or manic depression or autism or even like a limp or a bad stutter. It has never been a “normal” way to be. It’s good to help people deal with this disease, but that shouldn’t mean pretending that it is just another normal way of being. It’s okay to provide accessibility where appropriate, but if transgender people want to compete in sports, let them compete in the Special Olympics.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Garywt

That is the correct thing to do, transgender people do not lose their muscle structure and it is true that men going up against women, the men will win most of the time. I reverse it is an uphill battle for them so it is fair for them to compete. It is most fair for woman working to compete to be able to compete equally.

I remember when Annika Sorenstam competed against the men in a couple of PGA tour events and was applauded for doing so. She was competing UP, and I say good for her. But if Rory McIlroy wanted to compete in an LPGA event that would be grossly unfair--even if he wore a skirt. That's exactly what these transgender athletes want to do, have an unfair advantage. Like the transgender swimmer who defeated the best of the women swimmers...what has he/she (?) really accomplished? He couldn't beat his male counterparts but he beat the female swimmers. So what?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I don’t feel that’s the case in any of this discussion.

The point being driven home is biological women are entitled to compete against each other exclusively. Not every fact of life can be leveled out by wishful thinking and this is the perfect example. Men who prefer to be women are fully entitled to that choice. They cannot, however change their biology to be able to compete at the same level as woman. It’s wrong and as simple as that.

All the extra posturing trying to make women sit back and allow a separate classification of gender choices punish and discriminate against their biological bodies is ridiculous. Anyone with any level of intellect and social conscience knows this.

I'm saying it has to go both ways, and the wording of the laws is unfair and discriminatory. It's saying that transgender WOMEN - only - should not be allowed to join women-only teams. It says nothing about transgender MEN not being allowed to join men-only teams.

If you want to say "transgender people should not be able to join cis-gender teams, but we will have mixed teams and/or transgender-only teams" then that's fine. But singling out transgender women is - discriminatory. By definition.

Regardless of WHY. I even agree with the sentiment. But it's a sticky wicket - what about natural born hermaphrodites? There are humans born with both male and female gonads, raised as male, but not exclusively male. They are also female. Which team would THEY play on? Or should they be excluded from playing on ANY team?

There are also intersex folks - they have a p..e.n..is (can't use a normal scientific word on a forum whose membership is comprised of adults - that's just so pathetic), but they also have ovaries. Or they might have a v.a..gin-a (again) but the musculature and hormones of a man. Or other odd mutations of the reproductive system that makes them neither male, nor female, but a little of both. Which team do THEY get to play on? Or should they also be excluded from playing on ANY team?

This is why it's an issue. Not because these folks want to play "as male/female" on a team. But because - their physiology puts them in an awkward position. They want to play sports. There's no reason to deprive them of the opportunity to play sports. But where do you put them? ALL of them. Not just the trans-women.

[nn0wheremann]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

It has been announced that transgender women are banned from running in the 2024 Olympics against women. Some transgender comments about denying them the opportunity to participate. They are not being denied the opportunity. They just have to compete against people of their biological sex. Kind of like letting a heavyweight average boxer compete against a lightweight boxer. XY against XY, not XY against XX. Sports events are looking for the best, not the best imposter. If an XX wants to compete against an XY, let it happen, If a lightweight wants to compete against a heavyweight, let it happen. Go up to your best not down to your best.

In 72 years I have made the acquaintance of three transgender people. There are not so many of them in the world as to justify all the concern and hot air expended over them.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Given that females are going to lose scholarships to trans females, one would think the vast majority of real females would be rather upset as to where this is going.

i'm sure the females are just as upset, but this being new territory, are unsure of how to proceed. who do they go to? a coach? the media which will certainly turn on a female & demonizer her till the cows come home? right now they're keeping mouths shut of our fear for their own careers. theyre being forced to be quiet & take it, or,..thats what it appears to be from where i'm sitting

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by PugMom

i'm sure the females are just as upset, but this being new territory, are unsure of how to proceed. who do they go to? a coach? the media which will certainly turn on a female & demonizer her till the cows come home? right now they're keeping mouths shut of our fear for their own careers. theyre being forced to be quiet & take it, or,..thats what it appears to be from where i'm sitting

This whole matter only applies to men who have had a sex change running against women in the Summer Olympics.
World Rankings | Women's Overall Ranking

I would bet most men runners would have a hard time competing with these women unless they had the same kind of training, commitment to their sport and experience.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm saying it has to go both ways, and the wording of the laws is unfair and discriminatory. It's saying that transgender WOMEN - only - should not be allowed to join women-only teams. It says nothing about transgender MEN not being allowed to join men-only teams.

If you want to say "transgender people should not be able to join cis-gender teams, but we will have mixed teams and/or transgender-only teams" then that's fine. But singling out transgender women is - discriminatory. By definition.

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Isn't it the case today that women can try out for men's teams? Less likely to succeed due to the difference in body structure but still allowed? At the same time, it isn't the case that men can try out for women's teams, right?

The discrimination you point out is in place today - we call it protecting women's sports.

What happens in someone's brain, the gender that feels comfortable to them or the sex of those they feel attracted to, doesn't determine their physical characteristics. It is the physical characteristics of a biological male that makes it harmful to allow them to compete in a women's sport. That seems to me to be a pretty fair dividing line.

Handle other edge cases as they come up. Today, the issue is trans-women. Today, biological women are being harmed when biological men are allowed to compete in women's sports. Solve today's problem today.

[Burgy]

The simple answer is. Athletes should compete as XX or XY. Hormones and surgery do not change your DNA. And everyone should at least be tolerant if not supportive or transgender people.

[Regorp]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

It has been announced that transgender women are banned from running in the 2024 Olympics against women. Some transgender comments about denying them the opportunity to participate. They are not being denied the opportunity. They just have to compete against people of their biological sex. Kind of like letting a heavyweight average boxer compete against a lightweight boxer. XY against XY, not XY against XX. Sports events are looking for the best, not the best imposter. If an XX wants to compete against an XY, let it happen, If a lightweight wants to compete against a heavyweight, let it happen. Go up to your best not down to your best.

This is the right thing to do for women to have a fair chance to win. Perhaps a new trans division should be established for them to participate.