Well said

Makes sense but who would pay to watch it?

@ Stu: :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The only fair answer here is to create a transgender classification for sports competition.

I have no axe 🪓 to grind here and say live and let live, as long as no one else’s rights are trampled.

Good thing no one brought that up in this thread (until you did...)

Thank you for actually responding to the topic of the thread...

I agree with the last part, and I don't care about sports anyway. But I don't think a "no transgenders allowed" is the right tack to take on this. I don't know what is the right tack, the idea of mixed teams seems more fair to me. And sure - even a transgender classification would be fine. If it's a mixed team, they'd have the same shot as any cis-gender man or woman at making the team.

Agree

Except that person has been taking high doses of testosterone for years, giving them a physical advantage over other women...

And yes, they are "extra" hormones, not a "replacement"...

Taking estrogen after a total hysterectomy is "replacement" therapy...

Then you can say goodbye to the WNBA, Women's Soccer, Tennis, Golf, Softball, Swimming, Track & Field, etc, etc, etc...

They will ALL be dominated by biological men...

There are already rules against taking hormones to gain an advantage in sports...

Having a mastectomy or a hysterectomy gives no physical advantage in sports...

Women taking men's hormones does...

The problem with your statement is these men is, they have not completed the transformation from man to women they still have their original male reproductive organs.
So if a man dresses as a women and says he is a women, I am sorry it doesn’t make you one.

If a woman transitions to male, they will take male hormones, which WILL increase muscle mass... It's already illegal in many sports...

If a male transitioning to female has the "bottom surgery", they will lose testosterone production, which will result in a decrease in muscle mass.

But... If this was done after puberty, the bone structure is already set, and that alone gives a mechanical advantage...

1............good to know.

3......pre-pub "opportunities" scare the hell out of me if our society allows.

High Schools and Colleges are brainwashed to be "inclusive" and are loathe to stop trans women from competing... Lia Thomas is the poster er, "person" in this argument.

There were several trans track and field athletes who beat teenagers out of scholarships to college...

Since this is a relatively new phenomena, one would not expect to see that many trans athletes competing on an olympic level... Yet...

And I agree, I doubt you'll see it in women's gymnastics and a few other highly specialized sports.

But... If nothing is done, Lea Thomas will swim in the Olympics and beat many women. You will see it in women's basketball, ice skating, skiing, biathlon, cycling, track & field, etc, etc, etc...

Then you would need 4 categories... Male, Female, Trans Male, Trans female...

Other trans gender people and peeping toms.

To your 2nd ... er 3rd? comment? I agree...

Ah... I see you added numbers to my post...

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& then categories for short people, fat people, blondes, seven fingers, beards, different bra cup sizes...................where does it stop??


a young person could identify as a 60 year old and play in the Senior Games.

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This has nothing to do with "dressing as a woman." That would be a transvestite.

And the problem is that some people want someone to discriminate against because their fragile egos can't handle the fact that they might actually be somewhat less of a human than the rest of the human race.

Currently, it's transgenders. The cycle will turn back to blacks in a month or two, and then it's time again for the Muslims, and then it'll be the Jews again.

Give me a freakin' break...

And that is exactly what many trans women are doing... No hormones, no surgery. Just claiming to be women...

Many have become parodies of women. Dylan Mulvaney (of Bud Light fame) is a perfect example...

Given that females are going to lose scholarships to trans females, one would think the vast majority of real females would be rather upset as to where this is going.

As I replied to you 3 pages ago, you can accuse people of trying to discriminate all you want, but you are still WRONG. It is about FAIRNESS in sports competition. You can keep repeating a lie all day long and it is still a lie!

It is you who want to descriminate against and oppress biological females.

Why do you hate women and want to take away their opportunity to compete in sports by making them compete against males and calling it "fair"??? A trans woman competing against a cis-woman would not have the same shot at making the team. That is why this thread even exists.
The transwoman would have a much greater chance to make the team because of testosterone and the effects it had on his body. If they had the same shot as a cis-gender woman at making the team that would mean they had almost no chance. They don't compete against men because they lose. Are the facts and logic tripping you up for some reason? You can't just say all men and women compete against each other is fair and have that statement magically be true. Men do have an advantage...follow the science.

I don’t feel that’s the case in any of this discussion.

The point being driven home is biological women are entitled to compete against each other exclusively. Not every fact of life can be leveled out by wishful thinking and this is the perfect example. Men who prefer to be women are fully entitled to that choice. They cannot, however change their biology to be able to compete at the same level as woman. It’s wrong and as simple as that.

All the extra posturing trying to make women sit back and allow a separate classification of gender choices punish and discriminate against their biological bodies is ridiculous. Anyone with any level of intellect and social conscience knows this.

[QUOTE=Cybersprings;2216710]As I replied to you 3 pages ago, you can accuse people of trying to discriminate all you want, but you are still WRONG. It is about FAIRNESS in sports competition. You can keep repeating a lie all day long and it is still a lie!

It is you who want to descriminate against and oppress biological females.

Of course its a lie, nonsense, that's why if you do not accept the lie you must have some sort of malicious reasoning a hateful individual , what else is left when facts don't fit?

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Right thing to do as far as I'm concerned. I'm all for allowing people to choose their own identity, but definitely not for transgenders to cross over athletically.

The major countries should pull out and form a counter
Olympics nearby. Wonder where the cameras would be

All I can say is GOOD, there needs to be a ban..It’s already been proven it would not be fair competition. End of story.

Separate Division
 

Easy answer. Set up a separate division for transgenders. Let them compete against each other. Men vs men, women vs women, transgender vs transgender

I'm wondering if you have ever participated in sports? None of that diatribe is anywhere near reality in the world of sports competition.

yes, very true, and happens to every human at different times. .

behavioral law:
all humans want to be equal, but individuals want to be special

Easy solution: Create a transgender category or an all gender category.

From day 1 when I saw a news clip about a biological male breaking female records at a school I was against it. There's nothing fair about it. Males have bigger muscles and more stamina and stronger breathing.

It seemed like more and more were jumping on the "let them compete" bandwagon, with only few (the opposing young females and their parents complaining). Though this does not affect me either way, I'm happy to see more bans on this issue and would like to see it world wide to include schools.

If not banning then biological male trans can still compete, but against the same trans from other schools. Not enough to compete? Give it some time. We can still include them on the girls' teams and they sit out if none of them are on the other side and play when they are for now.

This should have never even been an issue, but somehow it came to be. The different world we live in.

Are you serious?

It's called abnormal behavior. A mental condition that should be addressed, not encouraged.

The Olympics authorities have drug testing for a reason. Enhancement drugs of any kind are prohibited, period. So a woman that has hormone therapy should NOT be allowed to participate. A man that "THINKS" he is a woman, dresses like one and identifies as one is not allowed to participate in female sports, period. What is so unreasonable about that?
If a guy wishes to imagine being a female, dress like one and act like one, that is fine. But, if he wishes to identify as one for sports, employment, benefits of any kind...he should be charged with fraud regardless of his mental state. That would be IF/IF they had such a charge...and they should. That's my opinion, and that does not make me intolerant, I just don't condone that kind of encouraged abnormal behavior. And don't try to convince me that this issue is anything other than abnormal behavior. It is not hate speech, just recognizing a scientific fact, that there is male DNA and there is female DNA. Pretend all you want, but pretending is a mental issue and pretending does not make fact.
We are not the only country participating in the Olympics. Other countries have a say also. If they wish to discriminate, we have very little to say in the matter.
A horse cannot participate in a dog race and the dog cannot participate in a horse race.

Wonder how God feels about it?

Where are the woman libber's? This should never be allowed. No common sense in this country anymore.