A new issue but not a new issue. Many years ago the Russians treated their female athletes with male hormones. Truth i do not recall if they were allowed to compete or keep medals earned. I do recall reading that the women had psychological problems and many could not have children.

I recall a supreme court justice saying any attempt to define pornography must fail but I will know it when I see it. Transgender is simply not natural. We've all seen that.

Fair, what is fair. I should win a gold Olympic medal for being several times 20 and sitting on my butt posting. I am working out right now.

Why would you shame transgenders? I don’t get that but perhaps you could tell us that we need to get rid of The Special Olympics.:shrug::shrug:

Let’s revisit that comment around July 4 to see if you are correct.

I'm sorry, I misspoke... It was only 20.8%...

Is NBC good enough for you?

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/i...3-1-8ab7a2.png

This one says just under 20%...

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/...mal/18228.jpeg

Oh, look, over 20%!

https://c-hit.org/wp-content/uploads...-1-771x578.png

Any other questions?

Answers to your questions about transgender people, gender identity, and gender expression

I recall going to a movie with a class of high school students (mainly Native Americans) around 1975 and going to see Little Big Man. The movie had a character who dressed and acted the part of female tribal members. Cross-dressed to Kill: 20 Great Movie/TV Dudes in Drag | EW.com

Little Big Man - Rotten Tomatoes

Really do not see such behavior though as natural or unnatural. Maybe socially conditioned to see things one way.

Oh, Puleeze... Boomer says that's ridiculous...

To all thread starters
1. If a transgender to female won the u.s.a. Presidency would the glass ceiling be broken. How about only yes or no answers like a voting machine reduces it to.
2nd
why does the above transgender issues remind me of cowardly males on the titanic who impersonated females to save their own lives by dooming women and children alike.
3. Disney claimed its workers prevailed upon them to take the social stand on our children's education that it has.
A. Please give us a head count of the number of employees who did so.
B. What percentage of your employees does that number represent.
3. I'm holding my breath

Then they should run in the men's division... Win or lose...

Their abilities have nothing to do with who they run against...

A mediocre male college runner can easily beat a top college female runner...

Same with Olympic runners...

And she states that she didn't think she would ever beat the top male skiers...

Yep.

But how about this for a solution? Three categories--high school, college, pro, Olympics, whatever.

1. Men
2. Women
3. Other

Olympic Runner Caster Semenya Wants To Compete, Not Defend Her Womanhood : Live Updates: The Tokyo Olympics : NPR

And then there are women born women who have too high testosterone levels.

Caster Semenya - Wikipedia

1. Yes
2nd. Sounds like a personal issue
3. You'll have to contact Disney for that information. It is highly unlikely that they are monitoring this forum just waiting for your inquiry. While we have experts in everything on these boards, only Disney would have any such polling results
3. (again?) You should have numbered the questions before holding your breath; the lack of oxygen appears to have had a negative effect.

Nice kumbaya response... But it's irrelevant to the discussion...

No one says people can't live however they want (okay, a few do, but they're in the minority)...

This conversation is about biological MEN competing against biological WOMEN. Biology gives the MEN a significant advantage.

From the very article you referenced"

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XY chromosomes - not female.
Notice the article does not say that she was born female --that is intentionally omitted. So, no, this is not about "women born women who have too high testosterone"

Thank you Captain Obvious. But that is irrelevant to the discussion...

Jim Carrey used to do a bit on that, years ago, on In Living Color... "Vera de Milo"

I recall seeing Tootsie and the TV show "Bosom Buddies"...

I fail to see the connection between any of this and the discussion at hand...

Does Google not work in your Village? Or did you simply not read the link you provided?

"Semenya is an intersex woman, with 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency, assigned female at birth, with XY chromosomes and natural heterogametic testosterone level."

Dear Cybersprings,

Calm the heck down and read the last paragraph in my post quoted above. Looks like you missed the part where I stood up for women’s rights — been doing that for decades.

I guess I hit a hot button with the other part of my post though. Could not bear to read beyond that maybe?

I will address your other attack in my next post, so I can include another with the same pattern of constant, condescending responses………Doppelgänger?

Boomer

Aw, c’mon, Mintz, gotta learn to think outside the box. (I know that’s not going to happen though.)

I can see exactly how teenagers would just love skewing up and screwing up this poll — for a variety of reasons — many of those reasons have to do with messing with adults’ heads. It’s what they do.

Besides, since when do we believe everything teenagers say.

Carry on. I’m done.

Boomer

Right... That's got to be the answer... Teenagers make up sh!t to invalidate multiple polls that all miraculously show the same results...

But we better damn sure believe them when they tell us they are (insert the gender/pronoun of the month) or you're cancelled... Which is it?

Carry on...

Bingo.

My granddaughter, who lands somewhere between "millennial" and "gen z" (more toward millennial) just shakes her head when she hears or reads these types of discussions. According to her at least 90%, probably more, of the people in those two age groups who "identify" as LGBTQ do so precisely for the attention. This, I think, is borne out when one compares the numbers in the graph to the Gen X and the Boomers. Subtract the LG from the set of initials, the incidence of which without knowing the precise numbers would seem to be close to the incidence of gays and lesbians in the population overall, and you're left with the BTQ. And given that, it begs the question, just why are there so MANY BTQ people in the Gen x - millennial group?

The only answer that makes sense (unless one leans toward the "epidemic" mindset) is the attention that making the claim gets one.

Probably because being gay/lesbian/bi is no longer seen as unnatural.

And "transgender" is very complicated when you start digging into it.

The fact that you agree that transgender women should not be competing in women's sports does not negate:

"I think it is vile to target transgender people whose lives must be difficult enough without being used as pawns in political ploys.

Attacks on transgenders — both verbal and physical attacks — are part of a movement to dehumanize others — and the number of people who are susceptible to joining in the hatred is appalling.

And don’t get me started on the incongruity of using “holiness” as an attempt to veil hatred and to obsess about what is between someone else’s legs. If an adult decides to do something totally legal, why should anyone else care."

You made personal attacks on all the other people supporting biological women in this thread. You call people vile. You accuse people of hatred and attacking. Were you expecting no one to react to your unwarranted untrue attacks? But referencing the 2 posts you made and saying "nice record" is more than you can handle? Are we supposed to build a safe space for you?

After thinking about this for another 60 seconds, MEDICAL DOCTORS ARE PERFORMING SURGERIES TO MUTILATE TEENAGERS based on what they say. Are you kidding me????

Well...

Did you miss the part where I said the sudden rise was due to "Social Media"? And that I said "Identify as"?

Of course it's for attention...

Just recently the actress, Marcia Gay Harden just had to announce that ALL 4 of her children are LGBT. One of the "Real Housewives" announced that 3 of her 4 children were, as well. Really? That many in ONE family?

Bill Mahr (sp?) talks about how you can't go to a dinner party in LA or NYC without parents talking about their multiple LGBT children...

He thinks it must be something in the water... :D

Somebody missed the point of the post they responded to...

The maturity level on Talk of the Villages certainly has been around 10 years old at times. Thankfully there are a lot of thoughtful adults who have been posting too over the almost 16 years I have been on here. I miss many of these people who have, for the most part, moved to other media or passed away.

Not sure what they would say about trans sexual men competing as women in the running competitions in Paris at the Olympics next summer in 2024. If that is even the right term. It would probably vary individual Olympian to Olympian.

Where is Serena, Venus, Martina, Billie Jean, and all the other women athletes in all sports who do not speak out and lend their voices to protest this travesty? There are two genders, people. Deal with it.

Whats with calling generation 1925-1945 Traditionalists, I thought we were the The Silent Generation?
As for all this 'Identifying' stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if my Grandson 'comes out' and Identifies as "Ex-Box!" :shrug:

Transgender issues like so many other minority (not race) issues are amplified by the media creating a false presence.

The way one was born is the majority determinant ......when you rearrange the spots on a leopard you still have a leopard!!!!

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Are you referring to visible physical characteristics or internal brain development as a fetus? Usually these are in sync, it seems sometimes they are not.

As far as competitive physical sports are involved, the physical characteristics should matter.

So what about all the years the Russians were trying to do this with their women athletes and the world was trying to prove it and stop them. This whole issue is ridiculous.

Doping in Russia - Wikipedia

Do you mean doping?