Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by mydavid (Post 1783850)

Another white person pointing out how everyone should be.:shocked:

Originally Posted by transplanted (Post 1783854)

There isn't a real plan. Personally, I believe that there will be no progress until both sides of the issue come to the table with concrete proposals of what each will give as well as take. I don't believe you can legislate this, nor force a one-sided solution down anyone's throat. I think the current over-the-top acquiescence by politicians in and out of Congress is only to save their jobs in this election year, and to ingratiate the population they are heavily courting. Celebrities busy trying to portray their superior moral authority with their nonsense yapping about what they are gonna do (nothing, but donate money that they need to write off as charity for taxes anyway) may fool some because a 'name' is attached to their cause... see if it puts food on your plate. I believe we missed out on a big opportunity to have the races more fully integrate at the childhood level in schools, 50 years ago, when you-know-who joined with the segregationists in supporting stopping busing for that purpose. Those who went through that experience have fared much better in jobs and even health, than their counterparts who didn't get that opportunity to get to know others in everyday interactions and get a more solid education. So - bottom line, I think the current method of trying to solve this is only creating even more hate and discontent where it was and creating it where it wasn't. I for one am very angry that I can't buy a copy of the Oscar winning movie Gone With the Wind on Amazon, but I can buy a DVD called All Cops are Bastards. (just a very small example that I thought I could give without getting into anything heavy). No offense intended to anyone, we all have our own opinions and though we may not agree - it's okay, I still enjoy living here and have very much enjoyed being away (for the most part) from the overwhelming political nonsense I lived in, in DC. It's much less stressful here!

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by McGyver9 (Post 1783925)

Uncle Sugar rewarding irresponsible behavior (MORE money/better housing for EVERY illegitimate baby you have) is the first domino. In conjunction with not naming the father.

You'll note, I said NOTHING about "color"...
This goes for EVERYONE.

Of COURSE there are single parents who raise their kids to be productive members of society.
However, you are a fool if you're going to sit there and deny the OVERWHELMING statistics.

I haven't read anyone here mention the single "cure" for the latest media induced firestorm.

DON'T FIGHT WITH THE POLICE OFFICER.
DON'T RUN AWAY.

Nobody has been killed that wasn't doing one or both of those 2 things...

A good parent would have instilled that from an early age.

Originally Posted by Burgy (Post 1783813)

Not withstanding your exceptions. I think the parenting issue is one of the root causes. My opinion.

Originally Posted by mykvalentin (Post 1783814)

Below is a link of a video of condensed interview of few famous, prominent black people from different walks of life, sharing their different perspective.
What The Left Won’t Tell You About The Plight Of Black People And The Myth Of Systemic Racism - YouTube

What The Left Won’t Tell You About The Plight Of Black People And The Myth Of Systemic Racism - YouTube

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by goodhnds (Post 1784004)

It’s not the number of parents....it’s the quality of the parents. Teach your children, install values in them, require responsibility and accountability.

Originally Posted by Burgy (Post 1783813)

Not withstanding your exceptions. I think the parenting issue is one of the root causes. My opinion.

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by cb1972 (Post 1784011)

Many valid points have been mentioned in this thread, however after 35 years in law enforcement working in an urban area I firmly believe these issues are not race specific but rather arise out of a culture of poverty. I have seen family’s of all races repeat the same cycle generation after generation. Reliance on the welfare trap , thinking government Should take take care of them . I don’t have the answers but maybe early intervention in the schools , using role models etc. to perhaps show there are different paths available.

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1783776)

What do you expect, when privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?

Or do you think it's just a coincidence, that 70% of those cleared by DNA in the 'Innocence Project' are minorities...and 63% are black? :oops:

Innocence Project (click here)



Simply a coincidence?

I don't think so. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1784091)

Return the tax code to the % percentages used in the 1950s. Eliminate charter schools and return the money and resources to public education. Require ALL new real estate developments to provide affordable homes in the proportion to the ethnicity of the area, which would allow schools to NOT need busing and meld the races together socially and by DNA, hopefully in the future. Have MORE IRS auditors to prevent tax cheating. Reduce Supreme Court terms to 6 years, not lifetime. Cross-train ALL police officers approaching retirement within 5 or 10 years into the Post Office or Peace Corps. Keep Police in rookie academies for 3 years like Denmark to properly evaluate the and eliminate the power/aggresive, violence prone individuals. I could go on and on etc.