There are two places that influence a child as they grow up. The parents and the schools. Those are the two entities in control of a child's development. Both are failing their job in many cases. Discipline and education.

please don't, i can't stop laughing as it is.

Choke holds does not respond to OP's, "...........detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues."


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Thank God you didn’t

Thank you for sharing this U Tube. These men are amazing, and a wonderful inspiration.

I think your missing the point. The black multigenerational family lacks strong parenting against having children out of wedlock. It appears to be a rite of passage to have children no matter what the consequences. The change to black lives isn’t from carrying banners with black lives matter, but should come from within the home. There is no consequences to these single women as they have grown up with the thought government will take care of us. This comes from generations of living off the government. The black issues start at home. Their parents and their parents’ parents provide no parenting skills and the cycle continues. The liberals want to keep the blacks oppressed and dependent on the government. In all the years of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton stirring up hate and violence has not helped anyone. Where have they been for decades? Why aren’t they encouraging education and having children when they marry and can afford them. Where are their plans for real change in the communities? What have they accomplished to change race relations? NOTHING!!!

IMO the real "CON" is all those supposed bleeding hearts that believe that there is a "plight of the black person." The plight is history and that cannot be erased no matter how many reminders are destroyed. The black person and the females in this country have the same Constitutional protections and rights as any other citizen. I am not going to apologize for what someone did in the past that has no bearing on how I treat people. America has learned from our forefathers' mistakes so that we do not make the same ones. Time for bleeding hearts to find something else to protest, demonstrate or to be activists for. What's a matter, tree hugging is going out of style?
My motto for this year is going to be "NEWS FLASH: I DON'T CARE." Come up with a legitimate problem and if I can help, I will. I am not going to carry anyone on my back just because someone in our past was a big meanie.

I do not believe we have a law enforcement problem. I believe in every profession we have some bad employees, but they are not the majority or the average. They are the exception. If you do not want to meet those bad actors in the police force, then don't commit unlawful acts and do not run or fight a COP when he approaches you. If a career criminal dies in an unfortunate act, I am sorry, but do the crime and do the time.

It is no longer the black man that has the "plight." I am not going to apologize for an element's failure in our society when EVERYONE has bent over backwards to make EVERYONE feel part of the American family. How much more free stuff and free hands to the top before some of us realize that some folks need to walk on their own instead of being carried?
I am not a racist. I believe in equal rights and treatment that is decent to ALL people. But, like I said I am not going to apologize to anyone for what someone else did many years ago. And I do not apologize for what the police did to Floyd. I didn't do it and I have no idea of the motivation or cause of the death. All I know is that because of it, at least one good man died (Capt Dorn) as a result. Whether Floyd is responsible or not, he was part of the cause. As much as the police that may or may not have handled the situation with bad intent.
Maybe if some folks would just treat minorities the same, not special, then folks would become color blind.

What you say may be true, however, you conveniently glossed over the word "solid" in the statement of a "solid, 2-parent family". Statistics and studies, over many years and situations, have proven that children raised in solid, 2-parent homes have a better chance at success in the world than those that don't. This has been particularly true of those families that have lived and survived in the housing complexes occupied for the most part by our black, fellow Americans. It's sad that those conditions prevail, but they will not be resolved if one sticks their head in the sand and fails to admit they exist. Throwing money at this problems has totally failed as a solution so, until we get people who really care, in places of governance, with the fortitude to take politics out of the equation, and enact something meaningful, this problem may be with us for a long time.

PennBF, you might enjoy this

Years of teaching blacks to have grievances against white people for things that happened centuries ago have come to fruition. Rioting and looting are not enough, the violent thugs and ignorant woke creatures are pulling down historic monuments in public parks and defacing public buildings while police and public authorities stand down.

Education Is Offensive and Racist and so is America

What plan or solution did you have in mind?

two orange blossom baby:
it has been well documented that being raised in a married couple household led the poverty rate for black children to go down 73% compared to mother only households and 67% compared to father only households and as evidence of the power of family structure to descend race, 31% of white children raised in mother only household live in poverty versus just 12% of black children living with the married parents this is a stunning realization.
- National center for education statistics (NCES)
please do some research before you start quoting statistics.

Tax code of yesteryear is not likely going to help. Charter schools are great. My grandchildren did very well in them. Forcing someone to build for a certain segment of the population is not FREE ENTERPRISE, it's gov control and that leads to .......... If the police officer needed cross training before retirement, he/she would seek it. Many have second jobs to pay the bills because of the low pay, so they are prepared. Unlike some folks in this country, the police do NOT need personal life choice supervision. They are adults. Explain to me WHY a community in a free country would be forced to have residential quotas? Tax cheating has nothing to do with this subject. Term limits for Supreme Court judges I can agree with, but that is for another subject. Other countries, especially tiny countries find practices that work for them. They also have different laws and different cultures of their own. We do not need to copy anyone else when we have the best in the world; always improving. I do not know where you will find the funding to provide three years of police training.

The only problem we have in law enforcement is how unions protect the few bad cops in this country. VERY FEW. And this is NOT a race thing. I sincerely believe there is a higher percentage of bag politicians than bad COPs. And the people choose the politicians with their votes.

Exactly!

And THIS...says it all. :ohdear:

Did you see the word “statistically”?

Practice what you preach.

While those with "other" interests are oft criticized on here, we find solace in well known political activists. Not sure these are biased folks. They sure will tell you what you want to hear, if that is what you want.

You might want to go back to the President Johnson administration to better understand the single parent family structure effecting much of our poor population regardless of color. The welfare system was restructured to allow for larger monthly payments based on a singly parent structure and the number of dependents. This well meaning idea created the mess were in today across the country in rural and intercity locations.

I agreed with 1point (out of about 5)....The Police Unions are to heavily invested in protection of bad Police behavior at all costs. Solving that would be a good thread. The statement MY grandson did well at a charter schooland turned out wonderfully......is heavy on the MY and is an N of 1 young man and an N of 1 Charter school. I was talking "big picture". Public schools need help... NOT money and people running away to gated communities and picture-book schools. Of course, with those resources, those schools SHOULD be good. Need a long term study to see if better than gifted ed in public schools. 3 years of rookie police training would be paid by making the tax code fair as it was in the 1950s. Note: there was a REAL middle class from 1950 to 1975. That went away, to a large degree, by flattening the tax system. The statement that the US is the best at everything is very ethnocentric. Check the world list of countries. WE were best after WW2, NOT today. Today we are about 20th in UPWARD MOBILITY and 30th in many other gauges of QUALITY OF LIFE. Check it out, dare to do that! The US has turned its back on its own principles and the world judges and is laughing at us. Why would government have residential quotas? Because there is a problem. The US is burning! We need solutions, that was the point of the thread. I offered solutions. The government installed speedbumps to solve a problem. And speed limits. And the FDA. The government is the referee for solutions to help people. Obviously, people need help with racial justice.

Agreed, true that.

missing the point !!!!!!

No Retraction
 

I am happy that I don't have to retract the contents of my original submission. In all the responses there was not one that listed, to the best of the writers knowledge the multiple issues surrounding the Minority and corresponding recommendations for solutions. There were some consistent observations as in the case of parenting, some that decided to attack the assertions, e.g. thought the term "label" was misused? this one lost me and one suggested the original note somehow was "another white person pointing out how a black person should be? Again, for the life of me I can't understand how my note could ever be assumed to mean any of that?? I do appreciate the majority of the comments were valid observations
but unfortunately not followed up with meaningful solution and ideas. To say it is a complicated subject is an understatement. Some issues to be addressed and suggested solutions to come forward are (1) Restoring the dignity, (2) Restoring the self worth (3) Bringing action plans to the Urban Housing project, (4) Correcting any inequities in the various level of Education (k-12 and Higher Education (5) Developing respect for the rules of law (6) Providing meaningful opportunities for work for the citizens who are not employed (7) Programs which do not allow or permit the police to be the targets of certain minority groups. (8)ensuring there are rewards and consequences.(9) Fill in the blanks in addition to these!! These are some of the reasons this is not a one solution fits all and why it is a very complicated issue which no one has picked up the flag and run with it. I am use to the slings and arrows fired at this list, etc. and am use to them I just hope that out of them comes a leader not afraid to take them on. :ho:

for one thing, i wish people would stop criticizing our policemen. mind you, i have no police officers in my family so that's not the reason i say this. it is society that is a mess and too many police officers have met their fate because they are not allowed to shoot first when in danger with someone else with a gun and this is what it's all about. you have some "animals" out there that are uncontrollable when confronted by a police officer. again, Floyd's death was wrong, but that officer and the others are being punished for it, so what else do they want? how about Capt. Dolan who was killed by rioters for trying to stop looters--how come his name is not splattered all over the place and no one is protesting about that? i am sick and tired of hearing how police enforcement needs a change. if anything, our law enforcement needs more protection from the "animals" on the streets and the protesters that defend them!

We don't NEED any more gov. especially more gov control. Sorry, but I do not NEED someone telling me where or where I cannot live, or who my neighbors must be. I see nothing wrong with gated communities, if one wishes to live in them.
"Racial Justice?" Is that different than any other JUSTICE? Why does Justice have to be segregated to race, gender, religion or sexual preference? Why can't one law fit all? Do some have special needs? I am an adult and do not need MORE gov control. The reason the economy did well in the last couple years was because of LESS gov control; less regulations.
The Constitution is color blind and gender blind, therefore if we are TRULY living and moderated by it, then there is NO racial justice, just plain old JUSTICE for all American citizens.

I've said the same thing many times and even had a link. The intelligent people that want to get unbiased and informative information already know about Shelby Steele. The others do not want to know anything of Shelby Steele. It might interfere with their bias. If folks really want to educate themselves they should research Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi the founders of Black Lives Matter. When I say research I don't mean simply read the headlines that support your narrative. Do real research. I've found that the organizers of many activist type organizations, both left and right, advertise one thing yet have a more radical and, sometimes, violent agenda.

That stands to reason seeing as how the white population is far larger than the minority populations. That is an intentionally misleading statement, the percentage of each group on social welfare is the meaningful fact.

And did anyone look up the point about the US being low in rankings for "quality of Life" or am I preaching to the wind? Are we not men?----from the movie" The Island of Dr. Moreau"

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Talk about a totally ignorant/biased/prejudiced 'opinion' piece. :oops:


The author. :oops:

Paul Craig Roberts - Wikipedia

:ohdear:

Very well said.

One of lifes biggest lies is I am here from the govt to help you.

You completely ignore study after study done throughout the years that show children raised in single parent homes have a higher percentage of criminals than children from two parent families.

Your completely correct but some people would rather not have to deal with facts when they do not agree with their opinions.

Hey !
Do you want a slogan that works all the time ...everywhere?

"OBEY THE LAW"

But than the people that come after you dont get to loot and destroy and pillage.

What can you expect from people who have never had any type of social or economical relationship with a person of color? Having been a HS Principal and Asst. Supt of Schools (local and county wide), there is discipline in schools. Expect more of the same unless we, yes, all of us, change.

Do you have a source for “ privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?”

Your link to the Innocence Project does not prove your point since your point was how many of each race are “let off”(not charged or simply not arrested but GUILTY of what?) or are “given lighter sentences (again, how many of each race get what sentence for exactly the same crime, in the same jurisdiction and have exactly the same criminal record/rapshee?)

Arrest, Charging with an Offense & Sentencing all occur prior to the Innocence Project ever reviewing the case.

You may be imposing your own wishful thinking as you under-estimate the ignorance and innocence of your grandson. Children learn what they live and one of their talents is perceiving things that are unsaid through gestures, vocal tones, facial expressions, and even their perceptions of others’ emotional stress. Very young infants often correctly demonstrate their perceptive abilities when reading and reacting to their mother or other primary caregiver as they mirror them.

We are from NY and they had lots of discipline in the school systems. Many teachers thought they spend more time being a policeman than in teaching.

the local jr high that our son was about to go to made all students go thru metal detectors before heading off to their classrooms. Do you think the school district did this for no reason?

Luckily my job relocated us in the nick of time so we did not have to deal with it.

Do you think that most school districts in disadvantaged areas have no problems with discipline?

Yep...but more like sources (plural).;)

Here's but a couple of examples.

If you really want to learn more (and I hope you do), there's lots more studies in PDF...that can't be posted here.

I strongly encourage yours (and others)...further education. :ho:


Sentencing different for blacks (poke here)


Punishment for racial perceptions (click here)

Interesting report. I would just make a few observations about the sentencing differences report. First, the study only applies to Federal crimes, not state crimes. Also, I would expect whites to receive lighter sentences than blacks, not because of their race, but because of their economic advantage. In our justice system, defendants are allowed to hire their own defense attorneys. And, whites have a huge advantage when it comes to paying for a legal defense because they have more money. So, if you want equality in sentencing, then you need to totally change the system to prohibit a defendant from paying for their own defense. O.J. Simpson is a perfect example of how an expensive legal defense can produce a favorable result.

Be real. The officers undoubtedly have interacted many times with people of various cultural and ethnic backgrounds as youth, in college, and on the job. They aren’t living in a vacuume.

The question posed by this thread was what specific changes do you think would have meaningful and lasting effects? How did you keep order & gain respect from your students? Did any of them become beat cops on the street?

Do you think would have happened if (like happened in Atlanta) a young white man who was reportedly suspected of driving under the influence resisted arrest by punching a cop in the face then stole his taser and ran then tried to taze the cop? I don’t know if the outcome would have been different but why didn’t the cop allow the other cop to use his taser to subdue the offender? Perhaps the shooter cop did not realize the weapon was his taser? Did he fear the suspect had a gun that he was aiming & discharging? Intense Stress, the darkness of night affecting visual perception, fear of harm to the public nearby could all have caused that officer to have made errors in his judgment. Or he could simply be a power-hungry bully who would probably have demonstrated that flaw many times before. The Atlanta case is very different from the case in Minneapolis yet the two elicit similar responses from protestors.

My relationship to a few cops and my own interactions with them lead me to believe the police forces seek, hire, promote and train far too many bullies. Doing a Myers-Briggs test or other psychological profile on police might be a useful screening tool to guide appropriate hiring and training.

The social media exposure of our young people cannot be overlooked as contributing to the aggressive responses in some instances. Aggression and violence is everywhere young people look...movies, videos, games, social media and many times in their own real life situations too.

Changes should include training of strategic thinking skills and conflict resolution for everyone on both sides. I remember Smokey the Bear’s simple public service commercials, for example. Similar messages could be placed to benefit everyone through social media, commercials, billboards and in a mandated civics course, preferably in elementary schools before dangerous trouble occurs.

Some lessons from the school of hard-knocks: apologizing should come easily since it costs you nothing, being forced to empathize is the only way some people ever put themselves in another’s shoes, respect must be earned and shared both ways, forgiveness is protective & powerful, while having & sharing abundant gratitude changes almost everything.

Change must come. If this continues, who will want to be a cop?

Legal representation can make a huge difference but you did not mention the differing individual criminal histories of sentencing for similar crimes. A defendant with little or no criminal history is often given consideration over one who has lead a life of crime.