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ALadysMom 06-14-2020 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1784249)
You completely ignore study after study done throughout the years that show children raised in single parent homes have a higher percentage of criminals than children from two parent families.

Then we should outlaw divorce and incarcerate adulterers who have children, right?

Northwoods 06-14-2020 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cb1972 (Post 1784011)
Many valid points have been mentioned in this thread, however after 35 years in law enforcement working in an urban area I firmly believe these issues are not race specific but rather arise out of a culture of poverty. I have seen family’s of all races repeat the same cycle generation after generation. Reliance on the welfare trap , thinking government Should take take care of them . I don’t have the answers but maybe early intervention in the schools , using role models etc. to perhaps show there are different paths available.

:bigbow:

ColdNoMore 06-14-2020 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1784344)
Legal representation can make a huge difference but you did not mention the differing individual criminal histories of sentencing for similar crimes. A defendant with little or no criminal history is often given consideration over one who has lead a life of crime.


Did you even bother to read the links or, as suggested...do more research on your own?

Those differences WERE factored in.

retiredguy123 06-14-2020 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1784349)
Then we should outlaw divorce and incarcerate adulterers who have children, right?

Marriage, divorce, and adultery have nothing to do with the problem. The fact is that 75 percent of African American babies are born to women who are not married and they are raised by their mother in a single parent home.

ALadysMom 06-14-2020 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jammendolia (Post 1784146)
two orange blossom baby:
it has been well documented that being raised in a married couple household led the poverty rate for black children to go down 73% compared to mother only households and 67% compared to father only households and as evidence of the power of family structure to descend race, 31% of white children raised in mother only household live in poverty versus just 12% of black children living with the married parents this is a stunning realization.
- National center for education statistics (NCES)
please do some research before you start quoting statistics.

Would you support banning divorce? It creates a lot of poverty and single parent homes.

ALadysMom 06-14-2020 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1784351)

Did you even bother to read the links or, as suggested...do more research on your own?

Those differences WERE factored in.

Your links were previously read. Thanks for your patient consideration. Small studies tend to be easily used for partisan purposes.

ColdNoMore 06-14-2020 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1784338)
Interesting report. I would just make a few observations about the sentencing differences report. First, the study only applies to Federal crimes, not state crimes. Also, I would expect whites to receive lighter sentences than blacks, not because of their race, but because of their economic advantage. In our justice system, defendants are allowed to hire their own defense attorneys. And, whites have a huge advantage when it comes to paying for a legal defense because they have more money. So, if you want equality in sentencing, then you need to totally change the system to prohibit a defendant from paying for their own defense. O.J. Simpson is a perfect example of how an expensive legal defense can produce a favorable result.


The OJ verdict was a "payback" miscarriage of justice...following the Rodney King's cop's acquittals.


BOTH were wrong and in neither incident...was actual justice served.

JoMar 06-14-2020 08:38 PM

All the white folks solving all the problems for the black community.....until that attitude changes this will continue for a very long time. There are enlightened people out there, they accept interracial marriages and kids, Corporations are providing more opportunities for non-whites but we have a very long way to go...most of us will be long gone and I only hope the generations behind us will generate acceptance opportunities.

Scorpyo 06-14-2020 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HelenLCSW (Post 1783917)
Actually, Governor Cuomo has come up with a very detailed plan and requiring every mayor to have implemented it by April of next year or they will not receive state financial aid. The plan includes most of the things we have just been talking about. There is no chance, however, that our Florida governor will following suit🙁

I’m amazed that any senior would follow anything Cuomo says. I bet he has a plan to reduce social security and Medicare. Send more viral infected seniors to nursing homes. I know the fed told him to do it. Interesting that he was selective about what fed guidelines he was going to follow and which ones he wouldn’t. Given his position of power and the fact that he made a horrible decision that resulted in death I’m shocked he’s not in jail. Someone else in power made a horrible decision that resulted in death and he’s in jail. In essence Cuomo put his knee to the throats of thousands of seniors - many black. Wheres the justice? Where’s the outrage? Talk about privileged. Remember Mary Jo. Same thing.

ColdNoMore 06-14-2020 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1784344)
Legal representation can make a huge difference but you did not mention the differing individual criminal histories of sentencing for similar crimes. A defendant with little or no criminal history is often given consideration over one who has lead a life of crime.


Well, you obviously have chosen to ignore this then.


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Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders.

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1784354)
Your links were previously read. Thanks for your patient consideration. Small studies tend to be easily used for partisan purposes.

"Small studies." :1rotfl:

You definitely didn't read the two links I provided, who/how they were conducted or researched for the plethora of other studies...that come to the exact same conclusions.

P.S. One of the links was from 'The United States Sentencing Commission.'
:oops:

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The U.S. Sentencing Commission is an independent agency in the judicial branch of government created by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984. Congress enacted the SRA in response to widespread disparity in federal sentencing, ushering in a new era of federal sentencing through the creation of the Commission and the promulgation of federal sentencing guidelines.

ALadysMom 06-14-2020 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1784350)
:bigbow:

How many schools still teach the Golden Rule? They probably can’t because of PC bologney. Not only was it taught but it used to be a daily reminder and was recited more often then the Pledge of Allegiance. Treat others the way you want to be treated...the man in the mirror treatment.

ALadysMom 06-14-2020 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1784360)

Well, you obviously have chosen to ignore this then.







"Small studies." :1rotfl:

You definitely didn't read the two links I provided, who/how they were conducted or researched for the plethora of other studies...that come to the exact same thing conclusions.

P.S. One of the links was from 'The United States Sentencing Commission.'
:oops:

So what CHANGES do you propose?

ALadysMom 06-14-2020 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1784352)
Marriage, divorce, and adultery have nothing to do with the problem. The fact is that 75 percent of African American babies are born to women who are not married and they are raised by their mother in a single parent home.

Were the police from single parent homes?

If poor black unmarried mothers are causing THE PROBLEMS then then what changes are you proposing? Did your statistical analysis yield any proposals for positive change? Forced marriages upon birth? Or stoning them to death like some middle eastern countries do. Forced Abortion? Sounds like China’s One Child Policy which has had many deleterious consequences. How about forced castration of single fathers?

We could go the other way and treat all babies as a blessing entrusted to humankind to nurture regardless of the economic cost.

ALadysMom 06-14-2020 09:32 PM

The demographics of America have changed a lot. The number of blacks may already be a super-minority yet there has been almost silence coming from Hispanic leaders. Changes may come more quickly if the two minorities are really a majority.

retiredguy123 06-14-2020 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1784368)
Were the police from single parent homes?

If poor black unmarried mothers are causing THE PROBLEMS then then what changes are you proposing? Did your statistical analysis yield any proposals for positive change? Forced marriages upon birth? Or stoning them to death like some middle eastern countries do. Forced Abortion? Sounds like China’s One Child Policy which has had many deleterious consequences. How about forced castration of single fathers?

We could go the other way and treat all babies as a blessing entrusted to humankind to nurture regardless of the economic cost.

All of your suggested solutions would involve the Government. But, I don't believe that the Government can solve the problem. The problem needs to be solved by the people themselves.

ALadysMom 06-14-2020 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by drhntr8 (Post 1783877)
When all the statues are gone, all the names have been changed of military bases and streets are done the last thing to remind us of slavery will be the constitution written by slave owners...what will we do?

I think the Jews have a great response by supporting the Holocaust Museum and other remembrances to honor their forefathers’ sacrifices while having a goal to also never allow the atrocities to be forgotten. Much of what is taught about black history was scrubbed to portray only one side of the story but removing visible reminders may allow the reality to become doubted, like folklore.

camaguey48 06-15-2020 05:02 AM

Assertion.

crash 06-15-2020 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1783737)
I watch very little news these days because it's all negative and much is absurd. But the local Orlando news came on tonight after the golf tournament and stayed tuned for a short while. I see there are still demonstrations going on in Orlando and I assume other cities as well. What I couldn't figure out is what these people want? There were a lot of Black Lives Matter signs and some saying No Justice, No Peace.
I agree. Black lives matter. Now what. But the ones that really confuse me are the ones calling for justice. The cop that killed the guy in Minneapolis along with several of his fellow officers are in jail awaiting trial. What else would they like to see happen in that case.
The have arrested the perpetrator, charged him with a crime and will be
bringing him the trial. That is justice.
All of these calls for defunding police departments is nonsense. Politicians that who are agreeing with it are simply pandering for votes. It will never happen.
So I'm asking, what has to happen to get these people to stop these demonstrations?

Not just justice for this crime but all that have gone before without justice.

They really want something that I am afraid is impossible to give them an end to systemic racism in this country.

schladb 06-15-2020 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)
I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

The church has a plan. In fact it was written in stone years ago, THE TEN COMMANDS, a lot of people don’t want to follow them, they want to take them off public buildings and everywhere else.

oneclickplus 06-15-2020 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1783677)
I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

National repentance and obedience to the 10 Commandments. But, I don't see that as actually happening. Sin (violence, murders, rapes, abortions, thefts, corruption, lying, etc) is now the American way. It will take God's direct intervention to stop this. Feel free to slam me. It won't change a thing. This country will be taken over and destroyed in less than a dozen years based on biblical warnings and the current state of the world. If you can't see the decay in all human institutions and the complete lack of fear of God, you simply are not paying attention at all. Time is truly running short.

Joe C. 06-15-2020 07:06 AM

BLACK LIVES MATTER ????

Yeah, they do......but :

ALL LIVES MATTER

IMHO, saying that black lives matter, gives them special status.
If all the BLM protesters had ALM signs, it would begin to unify society.
I can envision a ALM protest, with people of all races involved.
At least then, they all would have something in common to start with.

Warren 06-15-2020 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1783691)
The "solid 2-parent family" is a really stupid insertion. There are 2-parent families with unwanted kids in them. There are 2-parent families where one of the parents abuses their spouse. Others where one parent abuses the kid(s). There are 2-parent families that have no love within the home. There are 2-parent families where the parents are criminals. There are 2-parent families...etc. etc. etc.

Single parents have it harder - in general. But when you get down to specifics, you'll find there are kids who are raised with just one parent who grow up to be amazing adults, and there are kids who are raised with two parents who grow up to be monsters.

Just take that out of the equation. It is a disservice to single parents, and a disservice to kids of malfunctioning two-parent households.

The problem goes deeper than just two parents. It is basic education. Say what you want, but by-in-large, the largest majority of the sensationalized incidences involved persons of low education and low moral values. Yes, there are educated persons who are stopped because of the color of their skin but , it is highly unlikely the situation gets escalated to the point someone is hurt or killed. There are programs out there designed to work with our public education systems to fix this situation. The one I happen to be familiar with is "An Achievable Dream". I have witnessed it first hand, and it works. Children are taken from first grade through twelfth grade and given extra help to see that they succeed and graduate from high school and stay out of trouble. If they succeed they are guaranteed a free college education. Not only do they receive extra help with their studies, before and after school day; they receive education on anger management, proper manors, proper english communication, money management ...... just to name a few. On the weekends they are introduced to museums and other cultural events. These are the skills and experiences that your parents and mine taught us at home. These are the skills they are not receiving. These are the skills that help them function in society and help them make good decisions throughout life and succeed to become productive / contributing citizens.

The program is available for ALL races. The less likely an identified child is to succeed in life the more likely he or she is to become a candidate for the program. It cost the child and his family nothing. The cost is raised in the community through local business sponsorship and charitable contributions and is funneled into the school system to supplement the the teachers salaries and activities. It is a good investment. It breaks the cycle of illiteracy and teaches moral decency so we can live in peace and harmony with our neighbors. IT WORKS ! Check it out.

ColdNoMore 06-15-2020 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1784494)
BLACK LIVES MATTER ????

Yeah, they do......but :

ALL LIVES MATTER

IMHO, saying that black lives matter, gives them special status.
If all the BLM protesters had ALM signs, it would begin to unify society.
I can envision a ALM protest, with people of all races involved.
At least then, they all would have something in common to start with.

:ho:

DonnaNi4os 06-15-2020 07:19 AM

I was widowed at age 40. I was left to raise our four children on my own. They are all adults with children of their own. I think they turned out just fine without anymore problems than children raised in a two parent home.

J1ceasar 06-15-2020 07:19 AM

If you want to really see why statistically - whites are at 25% single parent families and blacks are at 64% . ( American Indians second worst at 53%

Children in single-parent families by race | KIDS COUNT Data Center

If you really want to do something about race relations and the betterment of all - put anti fertility drugs in the water or preach abstinence and marriage for 21 years minimum .

REMARKABLY the rate of single parents has remained the SAME at 35% for at least TEN years.

Strongel 06-15-2020 07:33 AM

And what they watch on tv...

Tnbrewer 06-15-2020 07:44 AM

Book stores not looted 😆😂👍

ALadysMom 06-15-2020 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os (Post 1784508)
I was widowed at age 40. I was left to raise our four children on my own. They are all adults with children of their own. I think they turned out just fine without anymore problems than children raised in a two parent home.

Did you ever think that MEN are the source of this problem instead men are blaming single Moms?

Which parent is the “single parent” who continues to struggle with parenting and which one is absent?

Very few females are directly involved in these law enforcement problems on either side.

ALadysMom 06-15-2020 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tnbrewer (Post 1784532)
Book stores not looted 😆😂👍

Fake news. Looters did not practice any discretion. Mayhem & destruction were the goals for many rioters.

Vandals, looters damage downtown Naperville businesses - Chicago Sun-Times

Naperville police reportedly watched

PennBF 06-15-2020 08:07 AM

Overwelming
 
What a great list of ideas and suggestion and remarkable inputs to this overwhelming condition in the US and in a number of cases in the world. It's impressive to see some real concern and ideas to start to attack these terrible conditions. It would be interesting if all of the comments and inputs would be reviewed and categorized? Whether you agree or disagree with some of the ideas or comments you have to be proud to live in a community which is not afraid to express their views and a mechanism (TOTV) which is available to provide them to others for review and consideration! I know I am!! :ho:

ALadysMom 06-15-2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1784509)
If you want to really see why statistically - whites are at 25% single parent families and blacks are at 64% . ( American Indians second worst at 53%

Children in single-parent families by race | KIDS COUNT Data Center

If you really want to do something about race relations and the betterment of all - put anti fertility drugs in the water or preach abstinence and marriage for 21 years minimum .

REMARKABLY the rate of single parents has remained the SAME at 35% for at least TEN years.

REMARKABLY US fresh water supplies now have alarmingly-elevated levels of female hormones from massive birth control pills being excreted in urine. It is suspected to be causing low testosterone levels in males. Are you aware that birth control hormones are a Class One carcinogen? There have been tens of millions of abortion infanticides and more black babies are killed than any other segment of our population.

If you want to see real change look at the man in the mirror & ask him to change his ways.

ALadysMom 06-15-2020 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os (Post 1784508)
I was widowed at age 40. I was left to raise our four children on my own. They are all adults with children of their own. I think they turned out just fine without anymore problems than children raised in a two parent home.

I’m sorry for your loss. Thanks for sharing. Your children were & are blessed to have you.

CarolynL 06-15-2020 10:03 AM

Thank you for your thoughtful message. I totally agree. There is not a simple solution to a complex problem. It requires more intricate careful plans and we are not seeing any steps toward that.

cathiehines 06-15-2020 10:35 AM

I totally agree. I get tired of hearing this as an excuse. I may be wrong, but I believe Ben Carson was raised by a single mother. Better a one-parent family filled with love and guidance than a two-parent family filled with bitterness and hatred. I feel for these single parents who get disparaged constantly.

TooColdNJ 06-15-2020 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by billyb1950 (Post 1783823)
Facts don't matter to non-thinkers and radical liberals. Teaching personal, critical thinking is becoming non-existent in today's academia, and slowly but surely is being replaced by lemmings or "useful idiots". Many young people without proper direction from home are begging the questions: "what should I do?", "what should I say?", "how should I act?" What's more scary is we already have a generation of lemmings begetting lemmings.

I’m not sure you’re correct about academia not teaching critical thinking skills. Especially in math, and in all subjects, kids bring home things that we may have learned by rote, the basics, and are being asked to explain how they got to the answer of 10 + 25, rather than just adding it as we did. Some parents just don’t get it, either. There are others whose brains just can’t conceptualize. It’s their parents fault?? While many teachers tend to teach to the middle, since there’ll always be kids who learn at the top, (despite having some horrible teachers), the ones at the bottom are lost. Some of them are dumped into remedial programs and/or special ed classrooms where the teachers teach to the lowest— unable to grasp conceptual critical thinking— while those that may have the ability To are held back from improving them, Those are the ones that YOU refer to as LEMMINGS. That’s real narrow minded, which is often just as bad as lacking critical thinking skills

After much time to apply my critical thinking skills, I Respectfully disagree. Facts DO matter, I’m sure even to some radical liberals, but since the so-called facts are even skewed, or not the only things that should be considered, (a little too black and white): and people aren’t thinking the way you are, they’re LEMMINGS?! I’m hoping that I misunderstood something your post.

D.C.Villager 06-15-2020 11:10 AM

Poverty can be avoided, by all skin colors, if you follow only 3 steps when you are young. Follow ALL of them and you have a 98% chance of avoiding poverty.

What are the steps? Finish high school, work full time, and ‘marriage before carriage’ (wait til you are 21, and marry, before having kids).

2 percent of persons in families that followed all three norms are poor, whereas 76 percent of persons in families that followed none were poor

Three Simple Rules Poor Teens Should Follow to Join the Middle Class

petiteone 06-15-2020 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by billyb1950 (Post 1783823)
Facts don't matter to non-thinkers and radical liberals. Teaching personal, critical thinking is becoming non-existent in today's academia, and slowly but surely is being replaced by lemmings or "useful idiots". Many young people without proper direction from home are begging the questions: "what should I do?", "what should I say?", "how should I act?" What's more scary is we already have a generation of lemmings begetting lemmings.

As a liberal, white woman, professional (Attorney and Surgeon), married parent of 2 sons and foster parent of 6 black children, I am aghast at some of the hateful or ignorant opinions/solutions I read on this thread. My sons were teens when we began fostering (northern state) and we were blessed by their lives. The local police, however, were after these kids from the day we invited them into our homes. (They were not the only black kids in our community)- Questioning them on where they were going, where they were coming from, how did they get those shoes, why are they walking into this person's drive way, why are they standing out in from of the local theater (along with my bio sons), why are you walking with this (white) girl, frisking their pockets? My hubby and I spend a lot of time at the police station trying to stop this behavior. Everyone should foster a black child so see what it's like and what these kids are up against. Thankfully our neighbors treated the kids with respect. It was the greatest education of my life time and we're still close to each of the kids we fostered. An yes, we put them through college....yes, we gave them free stuff. I'm so disappointed in my fellow whites who think they know the failing of everyone but themselves.

ColdNoMore 06-15-2020 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by petiteone (Post 1784705)
As a liberal, white woman, professional (Attorney and Surgeon), married parent of 2 sons and foster parent of 6 black children, I am aghast at some of the hateful or ignorant opinions/solutions I read on this thread. My sons were teens when we began fostering (northern state) and we were blessed by their lives.

The local police, however, were after these kids from the day we invited them into our homes. (They were not the only black kids in our community)- Questioning them on where they were going, where they were coming from, how did they get those shoes, why are they walking into this person's drive way, why are they standing out in from of the local theater (along with my bio sons), why are you walking with this (white) girl, frisking their pockets?

My hubby and I spend a lot of time at the police station trying to stop this behavior. Everyone should foster a black child so see what it's like and what these kids are up against. Thankfully our neighbors treated the kids with respect. It was the greatest education of my life time and we're still close to each of the kids we fostered. An yes, we put them through college....yes, we gave them free stuff.

I'm so disappointed in my fellow whites who think they know the failing of everyone but themselves.

Wow, one of the most powerful posts I've seen here...in a LONG time.

Thank you for taking the time to share your experience and observations...from a first hand perspective. :bigbow:

SouthJerseyGirl 06-15-2020 12:04 PM

So let’s shut down Planned Parenthood. That certainly helps the situation - not.

Stu from NYC 06-15-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by drhntr8 (Post 1783877)
When all the statues are gone, all the names have been changed of military bases and streets are done the last thing to remind us of slavery will be the constitution written by slave owners...what will we do?

Dont give those people any ideas.


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