[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Antique lady

Mr. Floyd's criminal background does not absolve the officer who murdered him. Let's stop looking for reasons to say he derserved to be murdered. He did not....

It has been interesting to read the thoughts posted here...

You will not find one post here where anyone said "he deserved to be "murdered"" There wasn't even a post "absolving" anyone for what happened. Please look back from the very beginning of this thread.. let us know what you find.
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

Doesn't matter if you are black or white, left is left

NewsOne - Media Bias/Fact Check
Steve

Per your own link.

We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting due to a lack of transparency, despite proper sourcing of information and a clean fact check record.

Thank you.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Per your own link.




Thank you.

Pick and choose.
Steve

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Candace Owens - Con Artist (click here)





Click on the link, for other examples of how she's simply cashing in on...what she thinks will make her money.

A lot of you folks are being played...like a fiddle.

Then again, being a con person doesn't carry nearly the negative connotations that it did...not so very long ago.

Whatever happened to attacking the MESSAGE, versus attacking the MESSENGER?

A sure sign someone is losing an argument when they resort to ad hominem attack.

I have no idea what part of Ms. Owens' message, if any, you disagree with. It appears you agree with her message, but don't "like" her as a person. Have I got that right?

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

This isn't any secret, it's not even new news. It made national headlines and even involved celebrities. Do a google search for "Candace Owens + Kanye West + merchandise + Blexit."

That's one. Next, look up "Candace Owens Mollie Tibbetts."

There is nothing ladylike about her. She "proudly" presents herself as an Uncle Tom. Her words. She's basically a white supremacist covered in a black woman's skin. This is also not news, most of the black community don't want to be associated with her.

Same thing... you're attacking the MESSENGER, not the MESSAGE.

What part of her message, besides the fentanyl intoxication, do you disagree with? It was an 18-minute video and she asserted many points, yet I haven't heard anything you disagree with.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

You will not find one post here where anyone said "he deserved to be "murdered"" There wasn't even a post "absolving" anyone for what happened. Please look back from the very beginning of this thread.. let us know what you find.
Steve

Why argue with these folks? They don't accept reason. Your reminder above has been stated many times. They ask for proof and it is given and they don't accept. They feel free to malign persons with a different position. Not willing to admit that other persons are entitled to their opinions.

I am starting to agree with Vatican's Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò. Oh wait, now they will say he has no credibility.

[Hayek1957]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

As soon as I saw she was basing her opinion on something that wasn't true, I stopped the video. There's no need to continue watching it at that point.

When any individual refuses to listen to another’s opinion, that individual is practicing willful ignorance.

[dewilson58]

I don't remember the current reaction to:


'''You'''re gonna kill me!''': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa'''s life

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

I don't remember the current reaction to:


'''You'''re gonna kill me!''': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa'''s life

That’s because the national news networks never even picked up the story. It didn’t fit their narrative of police brutality against blacks. It’s not what they want us to be outraged about. Statistics don’t support the media’s drivel, but they will continue to push their agenda.

[OhioBuckeye]

Originally Posted by John_W

How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!!




That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!! A person who only looks at the surface of matter and doesn't do any research will jump at conclusions. The Mayor of Buffalo, a African American Democrat can even see this person is nothing more than an agitator!! He has comprehension about the situation. Buffalo is a blue collar town, this Mayor has a head on his shoulders!!!




Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

“According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."

I agree, but what does starting fires & looting have to do with protesting. I thought protesting was about not agreeing with something that’s going on or something said or done, not breaking into stores & stealing or burning someone’s livelihood. Now they want to defund our peace makers so these people can do this without resistant! Who’s stupid idea was this?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by lindaelane

I think the headline "I do not support George Floyd" is unfortunate - and headlines are not generally written by the speaker/writer, if I understand correctly. Candace Owens sayd "I do not support George Floyd as a martyr". She also says she wants justice for George and the officer who murdered him. She does not want to see him as a martyr because he died while committing a crime. (Not sure if he was seen passing the 20 dollar bill, or if it had happened earlier, but I see what she is getting at.) I don't have an opinion here - I think it is mostly up to the African American community to decide who should be a martyr from that community and who should not. I think the point that in general, criminals should not be made heroes is well taken, and I will pass no judgment on whether this case is an exception.

I think it is indisputable that good will come out of the increased dialogue after this terrible murder. Its also indisputable that very bad things were done by criminals in the name of George Floyd but I believe the peaceful protests helped.

Do you REALLY think that anyone has been convinced by the demonstrations? I can see a heck of a lot of people that have been hurt by it. Has anyone really changed their mind? Doubtful is the correct answer.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

If serious well-educated people are telling you one thing over-and-over again with hundreds of thousands of people also protesting against criminal actions taken then you should believe there is a problem.

The criminal in this situation was the Minneapolis cop and his accomplices who did not try hard enough to stop him.

I researched what this woman is spewing and find it very offensive.

Main street media is usually right.

Owens is also a well educated person. So, just because she is black that she is not educated? Or, is it ALL conservatives are labeled as uneducated?

Having a lot of people protest only means that THEY have a problem with something, not that they are necessarily right or wrong for that matter. I am sure you would agree with that premise?

The COP may or may not be a criminal. That is for the courts to decide. Just as some wished that Floyd would have had a day in court (to add to the infinite amount he already has under his belt). Floyd was a criminal also, in case you forgot. And that seems to be the case with many that jumped on the band wagon to martyr him.

The point of Owens spouting stuff that is "offensive" is an opinion. And like something else a person has.....the saying goes "everyone has one." I find her to be intelligent and refreshing. I find there to be hope for America as long as folks of color are willing to be open minded about the REAL problem with race relations in America. As revealed by this incident, non-blacks are willing to be open minded or empathize, at least. Believe it or not, it is not totally the "white man's" fault.

She made a statement of fact and those that do not like the facts, deny them. Not agreeing with an opinion is normal, but to deny facts is ignorance.

Regarding "mainstream media" I beg to differ. They are OFTEN wrong. Being "usually right" does not say much for media that is supposed to report facts.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

I agree, but what does starting fires & looting have to do with protesting. I thought protesting was about not agreeing with something that’s going on or something said or done, not breaking into stores & stealing or burning someone’s livelihood. Now they want to defund our peace makers so these people can do this without resistant! Who’s stupid idea was this?

Liberals idea to defund the law enforcement. And the rest of us have to share the rotten fruits of their stupidity. It is the story of America. Pretty soon, America is going to be all out of resources with the ability to ward off STUPID and then it will just become a failed banana republic, or should I say elitist run socialist dictatorship. Sorry for the rant. My only excuse is that I have limited patience with Stupid ideas about reducing the effectiveness of law enforcement.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Antique lady

Nearly the same percentage of white who kill whites persist. People tend to kill those who look like and are in close proximity to them. The issue of Black Lives Matter, as you know relates to unchecked killers of unarmed people of color by police officers.

According to FBI table of homicides, white on white murder rate is 81.6%

So why folks out demonstrating about white on white murder? Why don't they start a White Lives Matter protest? I think the point they were trying to make is that there is way more black on black killings than white on black killings. Correct me if I am wrong, but that really isn't that difficult to understand. I went to the FBI website to fact check and it really is true.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yes of course I'm using it as plural. That's the point. It wasn't just one police officer there. There were four of them, three of whom were actively restraining Floyd while he died. One of them had a knee on his neck. His spine and his legs were also being knelt on by the other two officers. Only one of the four officers was not physically restraining George Floyd. That was the Tao guy, who turned to watch the other three doing it, and made sure to prevent the people on the sidewalk from getting around the side to get a better video of what was going on.

Having dealt with individuals that were under the influence of strong drugs such as PCP, I know that it takes more than one to subdue the person being arrested. They are dangerous and those emergency responders are taught to put him on the ground first in order to get control of him. I am not excusing improper handling of the suspect, but I can see how on rare occasions someone can be injured or even killed. Improper handling is NOT murder unless done purposely. I believe that a court of law is the one to judge those men, not the media and definitely not us, based on limited information. Everyone says that Floyd deserved to have yet another trial before judged and I agree. I also feel that we should wait for a court judgement before we armchair convict four police officers. I would definitely like to see the perp that shot and killed Capt Dorn, arrested and court judges. Society will miss Capt Dorn, I am sure. Not so much, Floyd.