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Byte1 06-08-2020 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 1779208)
I think the headline "I do not support George Floyd" is unfortunate - and headlines are not generally written by the speaker/writer, if I understand correctly. Candace Owens sayd "I do not support George Floyd as a martyr". She also says she wants justice for George and the officer who murdered him. She does not want to see him as a martyr because he died while committing a crime. (Not sure if he was seen passing the 20 dollar bill, or if it had happened earlier, but I see what she is getting at.) I don't have an opinion here - I think it is mostly up to the African American community to decide who should be a martyr from that community and who should not. I think the point that in general, criminals should not be made heroes is well taken, and I will pass no judgment on whether this case is an exception.

I think it is indisputable that good will come out of the increased dialogue after this terrible murder. Its also indisputable that very bad things were done by criminals in the name of George Floyd but I believe the peaceful protests helped.

Do you REALLY think that anyone has been convinced by the demonstrations? I can see a heck of a lot of people that have been hurt by it. Has anyone really changed their mind? Doubtful is the correct answer.

Byte1 06-08-2020 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1779066)
If serious well-educated people are telling you one thing over-and-over again with hundreds of thousands of people also protesting against criminal actions taken then you should believe there is a problem.

The criminal in this situation was the Minneapolis cop and his accomplices who did not try hard enough to stop him.

I researched what this woman is spewing and find it very offensive.

Main street media is usually right.

Owens is also a well educated person. So, just because she is black that she is not educated? Or, is it ALL conservatives are labeled as uneducated?

Having a lot of people protest only means that THEY have a problem with something, not that they are necessarily right or wrong for that matter. I am sure you would agree with that premise?

The COP may or may not be a criminal. That is for the courts to decide. Just as some wished that Floyd would have had a day in court (to add to the infinite amount he already has under his belt). Floyd was a criminal also, in case you forgot. And that seems to be the case with many that jumped on the band wagon to martyr him.

The point of Owens spouting stuff that is "offensive" is an opinion. And like something else a person has.....the saying goes "everyone has one." I find her to be intelligent and refreshing. I find there to be hope for America as long as folks of color are willing to be open minded about the REAL problem with race relations in America. As revealed by this incident, non-blacks are willing to be open minded or empathize, at least. Believe it or not, it is not totally the "white man's" fault.

She made a statement of fact and those that do not like the facts, deny them. Not agreeing with an opinion is normal, but to deny facts is ignorance.

Regarding "mainstream media" I beg to differ. They are OFTEN wrong. Being "usually right" does not say much for media that is supposed to report facts.

Byte1 06-08-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1779780)
I agree, but what does starting fires & looting have to do with protesting. I thought protesting was about not agreeing with something that’s going on or something said or done, not breaking into stores & stealing or burning someone’s livelihood. Now they want to defund our peace makers so these people can do this without resistant! Who’s stupid idea was this?

Liberals idea to defund the law enforcement. And the rest of us have to share the rotten fruits of their stupidity. It is the story of America. Pretty soon, America is going to be all out of resources with the ability to ward off STUPID and then it will just become a failed banana republic, or should I say elitist run socialist dictatorship. Sorry for the rant. My only excuse is that I have limited patience with Stupid ideas about reducing the effectiveness of law enforcement.

Byte1 06-08-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Antique lady (Post 1779444)
Nearly the same percentage of white who kill whites persist. People tend to kill those who look like and are in close proximity to them. The issue of Black Lives Matter, as you know relates to unchecked killers of unarmed people of color by police officers.

According to FBI table of homicides, white on white murder rate is 81.6%

So why folks out demonstrating about white on white murder? Why don't they start a White Lives Matter protest? I think the point they were trying to make is that there is way more black on black killings than white on black killings. Correct me if I am wrong, but that really isn't that difficult to understand. I went to the FBI website to fact check and it really is true.

Byte1 06-08-2020 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1779494)
Yes of course I'm using it as plural. That's the point. It wasn't just one police officer there. There were four of them, three of whom were actively restraining Floyd while he died. One of them had a knee on his neck. His spine and his legs were also being knelt on by the other two officers. Only one of the four officers was not physically restraining George Floyd. That was the Tao guy, who turned to watch the other three doing it, and made sure to prevent the people on the sidewalk from getting around the side to get a better video of what was going on.

Having dealt with individuals that were under the influence of strong drugs such as PCP, I know that it takes more than one to subdue the person being arrested. They are dangerous and those emergency responders are taught to put him on the ground first in order to get control of him. I am not excusing improper handling of the suspect, but I can see how on rare occasions someone can be injured or even killed. Improper handling is NOT murder unless done purposely. I believe that a court of law is the one to judge those men, not the media and definitely not us, based on limited information. Everyone says that Floyd deserved to have yet another trial before judged and I agree. I also feel that we should wait for a court judgement before we armchair convict four police officers. I would definitely like to see the perp that shot and killed Capt Dorn, arrested and court judges. Society will miss Capt Dorn, I am sure. Not so much, Floyd.

Aloha1 06-08-2020 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Antique lady (Post 1779444)
Nearly the same percentage of white who kill whites persist. People tend to kill those who look like and are in close proximity to them. The issue of Black Lives Matter, as you know relates to unchecked killers of unarmed people of color by police officers.

According to FBI table of homicides, white on white murder rate is 81.6%

Of which there were 9 in the last statistical year data was posted. Oh, and 19 people of pink color.

manaboutown 06-08-2020 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy (Post 1778295)
Larry Elder is another person that is worth listening to.

I get his posts on FB. He is incredible!

Bogie Shooter 06-08-2020 04:49 PM

Incredible........

karostay 06-08-2020 04:50 PM

Candace Owens Rocks! go girl go

Steve9930 06-08-2020 09:04 PM

Candice Owen pretty much knocked it out of the park!

twinklesweep 06-08-2020 10:45 PM

George Floyd doesn’t need Candace Owen’s support—or anyone else’s, for that matter. He’s dead, having been videoed in the street being murdered by a police officer whose murder appears to be supported by three fellow police officers in that they did nothing to stop him. A bizarre thought: As this murder was not instantaneous, if only a group of bystanders rushed the police and forced the murderer off Mr Floyd. Not such a good idea; they might have been able to save Mr Floyd)s life, but imagine what could have happened to them....

Anyone who finds justification in agreeing with Ms Owen’s focus on character description of Mr Floyd (accurate as it may have been; I have no certain way of knowing) rather than cringing and being horrified by yet another murder of an unarmed civilian by a police officer by essentially choking him to death is the reason why my parents are spinning in their graves about what has become of the Republican Party of their day.

Mr Floyd could well have had a poor character. I’m not saying any of this is true; I’m just supposing. Maybe he didn’t pay his child support. Maybe he abused women. Maybe he belittled the disabled. Maybe he insulted or even caused harm to those who disagreed with him. During the 911 call, it was said he appeared drunk, an autopsy confirming he was using drugs. The effects of both appear the same, something I would see here in TV virtually daily before. Covid-19. But at that moment—theday of his murder—his only possible crime affecting anyone was trying to shop with a counterfeit $20 bill—possible because it could not be said that he knew it was counterfeit. RIP, Mr Floyd, and condolences to his loved ones.

B767drvr 06-09-2020 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 1780264)
George Floyd doesn’t need Candace Owen’s support—or anyone else’s, for that matter. He’s dead, having been videoed in the street being murdered by a police officer whose murder appears to be supported by three fellow police officers in that they did nothing to stop him. A bizarre thought: As this murder was not instantaneous, if only a group of bystanders rushed the police and forced the murderer off Mr Floyd. Not such a good idea; they might have been able to save Mr Floyd)s life, but imagine what could have happened to them....

Anyone who finds justification in agreeing with Ms Owen’s focus on character description of Mr Floyd (accurate as it may have been; I have no certain way of knowing) rather than cringing and being horrified by yet another murder of an unarmed civilian by a police officer by essentially choking him to death is the reason why my parents are spinning in their graves about what has become of the Republican Party of their day.

Mr Floyd could well have had a poor character. I’m not saying any of this is true; I’m just supposing. Maybe he didn’t pay his child support. Maybe he abused women. Maybe he belittled the disabled. Maybe he insulted or even caused harm to those who disagreed with him. During the 911 call, it was said he appeared drunk, an autopsy confirming he was using drugs. The effects of both appear the same, something I would see here in TV virtually daily before. Covid-19. But at that moment—theday of his murder—his only possible crime affecting anyone was trying to shop with a counterfeit $20 bill—possible because it could not be said that he knew it was counterfeit. RIP, Mr Floyd, and condolences to his loved ones.

What did you think of Ms. Owens' remarks in the video?

To the best of my recollection, in nearly 300 posts, only a single poster took exception to a single remark (regarding Mr. Floyd's fentanyl intoxication).

That's pretty unheard of to have near unanimous agreement of her points in the video.

Bay Kid 06-09-2020 07:09 AM

The truth hurts real bad. Some people just don't want to know the real truth.

twinklesweep 06-10-2020 09:11 AM

Is this thread STILL going on?
 
In college the course was called Discussion and Debate. One can spend a lifetime hammering out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin--and never get to a conclusion. My own feeling is that when it comes to truth, it's best to keep it simple:

An unarmed--in this case handcuffed--civilian was killed (murdered, according to the legal charges) in the street by a police officer with the support of three other police officers.

Ms Owen's remarks have nothing to do with this. Let it play out in court.

B767drvr 06-10-2020 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 1781275)

Ms Owen's remarks have nothing to do with this.


Since I'm the OP I believe I can speak to the TOPIC of the thread I started. The TOPIC is specifically about Candace Owens' remarks. If you wish to start a new thread, not about Candace Owens' remarks on George Floyd, you're welcome to. However, aren't you being a bit of a bully to barge in on this thread and redirect what you think the topic of THIS thread should be about?

clwahlstrom 06-11-2020 06:59 AM

Live Candace... always speaks her mind!

Red Rose 06-14-2020 06:12 PM

She is brave enough to speak the truth.

ColdNoMore 06-16-2020 07:55 AM

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She's simply cashing in (literally)...on what some people want to hear.

She used to have a different outlook...but it didn't pay as much.

GoodLife 06-16-2020 08:20 AM

Originally posted by ColdNoMore


Or don't you believe people...are allowed to learn, grow and make themselves better?

If you say no, THAT would really...be a depressing thought.

ColdNoMore 06-16-2020 08:26 AM

And it's purely a coincidence, that ONLY certain blacks (a minute %) are believed and supported by some white folks...while the vast majority are constantly vilified, denigrated and not believed by those same whites?

Yeah, that coincidence...makes perfect sense.
:oops:

anothersteve 06-16-2020 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1785118)
She's simply cashing in (literally)...on what some people want to hear.

She used to have a different outlook...but it didn't pay as much.

I'm shocked...a meme?
Can you find where she said those exact words? And in what context?
She was a black girl threatened by whites, I would think you would defend her...Her being black and all.
Anything to turn anything around.

The story;

NAACP escorts alleged hate crime victim to school

Candace Owens: from Stamford High ‘victim’ to conservative firebrand

Racist threats case filed by Stamford High student settled for $37,500 - NewsTimes

Steve


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