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But, but, but how can that be? At a memorial service they had a poster of George Floyd with wings and a halo. Surely such a saint couldn't have done so much as spit on the sidewalk, much less all those charges on his rap sheet.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: |
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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06...1416000513.jpg Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.” “According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview. In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him. A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear. Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew. "He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities." |
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First of all, you would have to know the AVD (apparent volume of distribution) of fentanyl in a living person. You would have to know the volume of all his fluid spaces (blood, plasma, tissue). You would have to know the pharmacokinetics of all the fentanyl metabolites. And you would have to know the time he took the dose, the route of administration and the half life of fentanyl and perhaps its metabolites. Then you would have to know the half life in a dead person,. since many cells continue to work after a person is "dead". In short, the levels found at autopsy have nothing to do with his levels while he was being arrested or how much of an initial dose he took, and the simple extrapolation that was presented is essentially worthless. And the problems I mentioned are just off the top of my head, an expert in the field could probably point out many more. All that technical babble aside, the victim is still dead as a result of blatant excessive force. Still, everyone should calm down and let the criminal justice system do its job. Rioting and looting only exacerbates the problem. |
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Hardly. I can't help but laugh...and shake my head in disgust. A lesson in comprehension is definitely in order...but it's not for me. Read it again..."According to what was reported to me"..."said he was told." NOW, I wonder exactly who...was "doing the reporting"? I'll help you. It's the exact same ones, who support the act and the two that did it...as we ALL watched with our own eyes. :oops: |
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Candace Owens: I hear what you're saying but I feel for G. Floyd. George was passing a $20. counterfit bill which is against the law & he should of been arrested for that, but to kill someone for this, this cop was racist. I don't blame the the people for protesting. Protest, but don't loot & burn businesses down, that's not protesting. Do they really think G. Floyd wants to be remember for that. These protesters just wanted a reason to make us feel they were protesting for a good reason. Personally the looters should of be shot when caught running out of stores with arms full of merchandise. All this did was raise our taxes. Floyd was contained he couldn't fight anybody off of him, he surrendered. Hope this protest ends real quick so our tax dollars can start rebuilding these businesses, & the govt. will use our taxes to rebuild. Don't think our tax dollars won't, the govt. has nowhere else to get money!
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And once again, I'll point out that the Mayor who was going solely by those who "told him"...were also the ones who were attempting to protect this callous act by one of their own. Just watch the video. :boom: |
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Daniel Hoffman, the CIA’s former station chief in Moscow and one of America’s premier experts on Russia spy tradecraft, said he believed all along the Obama administration’s assessment was wrong and the newly declassified evidence confirms his suspicions. “The question of whether Russia favored Clinton or Trump is superfluous,” he said. “There is no evidence Russia ever had the throw weight to influence the outcome of the 2016 election, the 2017 DNI report confirmed that. “The reason for Russia’s interference in our electoral process was more simple. Putin hates Democrats, and he hates Republicans because what scares him the most is democracy — freedom, liberty — which continued to be an inspiration to the Russian people whom he oppresses,” Quite a few people are going to have a date with this guy shortly. In court Attachment 84477 |
I think the headline "I do not support George Floyd" is unfortunate - and headlines are not generally written by the speaker/writer, if I understand correctly. Candace Owens sayd "I do not support George Floyd as a martyr". She also says she wants justice for George and the officer who murdered him. She does not want to see him as a martyr because he died while committing a crime. (Not sure if he was seen passing the 20 dollar bill, or if it had happened earlier, but I see what she is getting at.) I don't have an opinion here - I think it is mostly up to the African American community to decide who should be a martyr from that community and who should not. I think the point that in general, criminals should not be made heroes is well taken, and I will pass no judgment on whether this case is an exception.
I think it is indisputable that good will come out of the increased dialogue after this terrible murder. Its also indisputable that very bad things were done by criminals in the name of George Floyd but I believe the peaceful protests helped. |
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I think he died by use of a procedure that is often used and allowed for people who are not already restrained by handcuffs. I think he had a serious criminal past. At his eulogy it was inappropriate in all of the remarks about his previous life to mention that he had been imprisoned four times for felonies and me, myself think it may have had a lot to do with drug addiction, but I don't know. I would think that no matter WHAT ethnicity he was. It is hard to give up our ideas about what constitutes right or wrong. The twenty dollar bill was enough that the owner of the minimart called the police. Twenty dollars is two hours work at minimum wage in some places. I do know that it is wrong to lean on someone's neck until they are unconscious while they are restrained in handcuffs. And It is wrong to steal. I don't know personally any one who would do either. And unless we are black, or have worked for several years as a police officer, we can't know exactly how that feels...……. I am not and will never be a marcher. I don't understand how it helps to get a bunch of people who all feel the same madder and madder and more heartbroken and angry .. |
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One cop overdid kneeling on his neck and wrongfully killed him for which he will be tried for murder in a court of law. The other three stood by and let it happen. They will all be tried for their inaction in a court of law as well. |
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It is heartbreaking to see a young woman with out much life experience become such an outspoken and judgemental person. Sad... We can not heal until we accept reality that our nation right now is not fostering unity. Our nation right not does not value the unflinching contributions of people of color and the labor of Latino immigrants.... I look forward to her learning a bit more before we tacitly say she is a voice to be heard above millions of others....
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At least 11.6 million criminal incidents were reported to law enforcement agencies throughout the United States in 1999; by 2018, that number had declined to just over 8.4 million despite a population increase of 20% during that time.
What that means is that even as the United States has swelled by more than 50 million people, both the number and rate of most crimes reported to law enforcement have dropped, and some have fallen by incredibly high rates. Without hope crime becomes the drug of choice.... Looks like before the pandemic and the gruesome murder of Mr. Floyd, that we all witnessed, we are all doing so very much better helping our youth have hope. Let's keep up the idea that this is a nation where hope still lives for all of people... |
Thanks for bringing this to our attention! She's definitely a clear thinker who does her research!
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He is a symbol of things very wrong with this great country. He may also be a symbol for change and for the better.
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I wonder how she, her husband and her child feel about this violent felon? She had to have been traumatized by this thug's behavior. I wonder how many other crimes like this he committed with which he got away? |
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Education is always the key. This young woman needs to educate herslelf about the history of this nation. She speaks without the benefit of knowledge.
I would advise all to view the History Channel's documentary entitled Black Wall Street which shares the story of the Tulsa massacre of African Americans when an ill informed white mob descends on their community. Go to youtube and type in Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Black Wall Street - Full Documentary - YouTube It illustrates the lengths whites have historically be willing to go in order to feel superior. Such thinking has always led to death and destruction.. |
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Well stated! The sad fact is that she, like so many others, have no clue as to what her ancestors had to suffer and go through, just so she can even just publicly express her views...regardless of how wrong-headed they are. :ohdear: Just as so many have never stopped to even comprehend, that at the beginning of this nation, African-Americans were the ONLY immigrants...brought here in ropes and chains. :mad: |
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George Floyd paid for this crime.
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One of the witnesses to the event said he was acting like he was drunk or on something. Let's stop trying to
canonize this guy. He was career criminal who was treated unjustly while being arrested. And he died because of it. Tragic. I'm waiting for more facts to come out about cause of death. Odd that the first autopsy didn't fit the PC agenda so another autopsy had to be done that did. Experts can be bought and will say whatever you want them to say if you offer them enough money. We may never know what really caused his death. NONE of what's going on right now is about the death of this man. Read between the lines. You don't murder other blacks and police officers, destroy property, loot, etc., because a black man died at the hands of a white policeman. And it's only going to get crazier as November 3rd approaches. Buckle up! |
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From large numbers of your prior posts I know you are an advocate for victims' rights. Why don't you locate the pregnant lady to whose stomach Floyd held a gun and see if you can help her out in any way? |
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So you know this woman, know what she does & does not know and have intimate knowledge of her beliefs and thoughts. Then you degrade her for her thoughts. Then you tell all the rest of us that we have never learned, thought or comprehend the wrongs and the history of this country and humankind. As long as people of all ilks continue to deride versus discuss issues the divide will continue to grow. |
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You could stop 100 black people at random on the street and they wouldn't know about it either. What's next, she has jump through hoops. Sounds like you've got the agenda, not this lady!!! |
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Why don't you address the subject of the thread, by using generic responses, instead of throwing out specific personal attacks...at those you don't like? :oops: If you took personal umbrage at one of my generic statements, because you thought it applied to you...that's not my problem. :rolleyes: Thank you. :ho: |
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I agree with this general comment of the poster eyc234 as usual and ask that eyc234 becomes a virtual friend on this forum.. It is the things of importance that matter in others that draws us to them. It is a feeling of attitude and the aura of fairness and the lack of hatred. I hope that eyc234 will accept this small token as a compliment. On this thread alone, I felt much the same about several people whose comments were based on a realistic approach and not on a lot of rhetoric that inflames and angers and separates and prejudges.. |
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At the end of the day we all must take time to learn United States history... the good the bad and the ugly.
Events of the past inform thoughts of today and governs our present beliefs and actions. My hope regarding encouraging all to watch the History Channel documentary about the Tulsa Black Wall Street Massacre was to provide context for why we continue to have so little faith in one another across perceived differences. Knowing U.S. history helps us understand the unexamined parts of what we think and do...It conveys why we seek to decide, based on someone's past whether or not they deserved to be murdered on primetime television.... Most of us here are mid-life and older adults. Our systems are full of various drugs.... We are in drug induced good health.....and I would be just as furious if anyone here was murdered in that same way. We would have an interesting toxicology report.... I am from that part of the country, near Tulsa, and the scars are deep but people there coexist without resentment. We are all just trying to live our best lives..... |
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