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Taltarzac725 06-07-2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1779089)
Researched where and how? Main street media is usually right? Narrow-mindedness usually starts at home!!!!!! Watch the video again without blinders on, you might learn something NEW!!!!

Her video is garbage.


ColdNoMore 06-07-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bilcon (Post 1779094)
I thought there were no politics permitted. I guess the other side have moved to this site.

So what are you saying?

That you don't think 'your' majority...is big enough?
:oops:

transplanted 06-07-2020 09:24 AM

published references please
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1778031)
...and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying. Not surprising for her, she does this often.

Are you able to point us to published references where she did the above and we can check it out? thanks.

golfing eagles 06-07-2020 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggles (Post 1779075)
Now, there's absolutely no question that George Floyd did not deserve to die, let alone die while in police custody. I view what happened as murder (some don't, but like most, I do). It is fitting that the 4 policemen are being prosecuted for his death, and I am confident and hopeful that Derek Chauvin will be convicted and as the main perpetrator will serve very serious jail time indeed. That is justice.

But to describe the late George Floyd as other than a sordid career criminal would be a lie. Read on:
George Floyd’s Criminal Past
• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest during which the police brutality occurred
• Floyd had more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the perpetrator of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
Before moving to Minneapolis in 2014, George Floyd was released from prison in Texas. He worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant.


But, but, but how can that be? At a memorial service they had a poster of George Floyd with wings and a halo. Surely such a saint couldn't have done so much as spit on the sidewalk, much less all those charges on his rap sheet.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

John_W 06-07-2020 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1779097)
Her video is garbage.

How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!!


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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779119)
And then we watch as so many (coerced by their union) applaud and support, two cops who shoved a 75 year old man to the ground as we watched it happening, causing a serious head injury...then not even stopping to help.

THIS from the people hired to..."Serve & Protect?"

What's wrong with this picture?
:oops:

That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!! A person who only looks at the surface of matter and doesn't do any research will jump at conclusions. The Mayor of Buffalo, a African American Democrat can even see this person is nothing more than an agitator!! He has comprehension about the situation. Buffalo is a blue collar town, this Mayor has a head on his shoulders!!!


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06...1416000513.jpg

Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

“According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."

golfing eagles 06-07-2020 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1778832)
The preliminary SUMMARY that was released to the public mentioned intoxication. Looking at the actual autopsy report you find he had 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his bloodstream. That is equivalent of .019mg. The average medically appropriate dose of fentanyl for assisting with ventilation analgesics is 25-100 mcg, which is between .025 and .1 mg. So he had under half the standard medical dose for people who actually benefit from its use, at the time of the autopsy. Not high. Perhaps feeling a bit woozy but fentanyl wouldn't cause someone to resist arrest. It would cause them to really not care much about it at all.

The methamphetamine in his bloodstream was higher - 19ng/ml. Now - methamphetamine, in a high enough dose, would absolutely make someone feisty. And dangerous. But at .19, he had in his body less than 10% of the standard dose of methamphetamine than the average person with ADHD takes every day to keep them calm. So again - not high. In the case of this particular chemical, not even particularly excited.

I'm mostly retired. It's raining. I have nothing better to do for much of the day other than learn things. It's a life long learning experience to me. I love learning new information. What I don't love, is people taking snippets of what other people say in summary of something that is factual, but not explained to the layman, and coming to conclusions and basing their opinion on these summary snippets - publishing them for the world to see, and then seeing an entire thread of people applauding that person for being courageous - even though that person clearly didn't present facts at all.

There are MULTIPLE, MAJOR problems with that analysis, and probably even more than I know since my specialty is not forensic toxicology and pharmacokinetics.

First of all, you would have to know the AVD (apparent volume of distribution) of fentanyl in a living person. You would have to know the volume of all his fluid spaces (blood, plasma, tissue). You would have to know the pharmacokinetics of all the fentanyl metabolites. And you would have to know the time he took the dose, the route of administration and the half life of fentanyl and perhaps its metabolites. Then you would have to know the half life in a dead person,. since many cells continue to work after a person is "dead".

In short, the levels found at autopsy have nothing to do with his levels while he was being arrested or how much of an initial dose he took, and the simple extrapolation that was presented is essentially worthless. And the problems I mentioned are just off the top of my head, an expert in the field could probably point out many more.

All that technical babble aside, the victim is still dead as a result of blatant excessive force. Still, everyone should calm down and let the criminal justice system do its job. Rioting and looting only exacerbates the problem.

billethkid 06-07-2020 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1779135)
There are MULTIPLE, MAJOR problems with that analysis, and probably even more than I know since my specialty is not forensic toxicology and pharmacokinetics.

First of all, you would have to know the AVD (apparent volume of distribution) of fentanyl in a living person. You would have to know the volume of all his fluid spaces (blood, plasma, tissue). You would have to know the pharmacokinetics of all the fentanyl metabolites. And you would have to know the time he took the dose, the route of administration and the half life of fentanyl and perhaps its metabolites. Then you would have to know the half life in a dead person,. since many cells continue to work after a person is "dead".

In short, the levels found at autopsy have nothing to do with his levels while he was being arrested or how much of an initial dose he took, and the simple extrapolation that was presented is essentially worthless. And the problems I mentioned are just off the top of my head, an expert in the field could probably point out many more.

All that technical babble aside, the victim is still dead as a result of blatant excessive force. Still, everyone should calm down and let the criminal justice system do its job. Rioting and looting only exacerbates the problem.

Exactly their intent to promote their agenda.

ColdNoMore 06-07-2020 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1779130)
How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!

That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!!

Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) [I]on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."

Feeling silly?

Hardly.

I can't help but laugh...and shake my head in disgust.

A lesson in comprehension is definitely in order...but it's not for me.

Read it again..."According to what was reported to me"..."said he was told."

NOW, I wonder exactly who...was "doing the reporting"?

I'll help you.

It's the exact same ones, who support the act and the two that did it...as we ALL watched with our own eyes.
:oops:

OhioBuckeye 06-07-2020 09:59 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
Candace Owens: I hear what you're saying but I feel for G. Floyd. George was passing a $20. counterfit bill which is against the law & he should of been arrested for that, but to kill someone for this, this cop was racist. I don't blame the the people for protesting. Protest, but don't loot & burn businesses down, that's not protesting. Do they really think G. Floyd wants to be remember for that. These protesters just wanted a reason to make us feel they were protesting for a good reason. Personally the looters should of be shot when caught running out of stores with arms full of merchandise. All this did was raise our taxes. Floyd was contained he couldn't fight anybody off of him, he surrendered. Hope this protest ends real quick so our tax dollars can start rebuilding these businesses, & the govt. will use our taxes to rebuild. Don't think our tax dollars won't, the govt. has nowhere else to get money!

GoodLife 06-07-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1779066)
Main street media is usually right.

They really nailed that Russian collusion thing for 3 years. :ohdear::ohdear:

John_W 06-07-2020 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779144)

Please, if you're going to quote my posts, First don't make the print so small I can't even distinguish the words, and then put them in orange on green! I Got it, it's easier to reply when no one can read what your replying too - Good Strategy - when you have a weak comeback!!!

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Originally Posted by John_W
[I]How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!

That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!!

Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

“According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."
Feeling silly?

The Most Important Part was the Mayor a Black Democrat in a large northern city - Listened to his police and responded with support. That's something we don't normally see from many big city Mayors. The man should be commended!!!

ColdNoMore 06-07-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1779165)
They really nailed that Russian collusion thing for 3 years.

The "media" wasn't doing the investigation and while enough proof of actual collusion couldn't be found, foreign interference in favor of a certain person... absolutely WAS proved. :boom:

Awful convenient...to forget that part.
:ohdear:

ColdNoMore 06-07-2020 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1779170)
Please, if you're going to quote my posts, First don't make the print so small I can't even distinguish the words, and then put them in orange on green! I Got it, it's easier to reply when no one can read what your replying too - Good Strategy - when you have a weak comeback!!!

The Most Important Part was the Mayor a Black Democrat in a large northern city - Listened to his police and responded with support. That's something we don't normally see from many big city Mayors. The man should be commended!!!

Anyone can read your original post, but if you can't remember what you wrote...that's no one else's fault. :oops:

And once again, I'll point out that the Mayor who was going solely by those who "told him"...were also the ones who were attempting to protect this callous act by one of their own.

Just watch the video.
:boom:

GoodLife 06-07-2020 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779184)
The "media" wasn't doing the investigation and while enough proof of actual collusion couldn't be found, foreign interference in favor of a certain person... absolutely WAS proved. :boom:

Awful convenient...to forget that part.
:ohdear:

Someone is not up to date at all. Documents proving Russia was also trying to help Hillary are being declassified and that Brennan hid this information. Steele dossier was a Russian intelligence op, complete garbage. Please explain how that Russian sourced dossier was designed to help Trump. Not one person under oath saw any evidence of Russian collusion.

Daniel Hoffman, the CIA’s former station chief in Moscow and one of America’s premier experts on Russia spy tradecraft, said he believed all along the Obama administration’s assessment was wrong and the newly declassified evidence confirms his suspicions.
“The question of whether Russia favored Clinton or Trump is superfluous,” he said. “There is no evidence Russia ever had the throw weight to influence the outcome of the 2016 election, the 2017 DNI report confirmed that.

“The reason for Russia’s interference in our electoral process was more simple. Putin hates Democrats, and he hates Republicans because what scares him the most is democracy — freedom, liberty — which continued to be an inspiration to the Russian people whom he oppresses,”

Quite a few people are going to have a date with this guy shortly. In court

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lindaelane 06-07-2020 11:00 AM

I think the headline "I do not support George Floyd" is unfortunate - and headlines are not generally written by the speaker/writer, if I understand correctly. Candace Owens sayd "I do not support George Floyd as a martyr". She also says she wants justice for George and the officer who murdered him. She does not want to see him as a martyr because he died while committing a crime. (Not sure if he was seen passing the 20 dollar bill, or if it had happened earlier, but I see what she is getting at.) I don't have an opinion here - I think it is mostly up to the African American community to decide who should be a martyr from that community and who should not. I think the point that in general, criminals should not be made heroes is well taken, and I will pass no judgment on whether this case is an exception.

I think it is indisputable that good will come out of the increased dialogue after this terrible murder. Its also indisputable that very bad things were done by criminals in the name of George Floyd but I believe the peaceful protests helped.

graciegirl 06-07-2020 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 1779208)
I think the headline "I do not support George Floyd" is unfortunate - and headlines are not generally written by the speaker/writer, if I understand correctly. Candace Owens sayd "I do not support George Floyd as a martyr". She also says she wants justice for George and the officer who murdered him. She does not want to see him as a martyr because he died while committing a crime. (Not sure if he was seen passing the 20 dollar bill, or if it had happened earlier, but I see what she is getting at.) I don't have an opinion here - I think it is mostly up to the African American community to decide who should be a martyr from that community and who should not. I think the point that in general, criminals should not be made heroes is well taken, and I will pass no judgment on whether this case is an exception.

I think it is indisputable that good will come out of the increased dialogue after this terrible murder. Its also indisputable that very bad things were done by criminals in the name of George Floyd but I believe the peaceful protests helped.

Minneapolis releases transcript of George Floyd 911 call - CBS News

I think he died by use of a procedure that is often used and allowed for people who are not already restrained by handcuffs. I think he had a serious criminal past. At his eulogy it was inappropriate in all of the remarks about his previous life to mention that he had been imprisoned four times for felonies and me, myself think it may have had a lot to do with drug addiction, but I don't know. I would think that no matter WHAT ethnicity he was. It is hard to give up our ideas about what constitutes right or wrong. The twenty dollar bill was enough that the owner of the minimart called the police. Twenty dollars is two hours work at minimum wage in some places. I do know that it is wrong to lean on someone's neck until they are unconscious while they are restrained in handcuffs. And It is wrong to steal. I don't know personally any one who would do either. And unless we are black, or have worked for several years as a police officer, we can't know exactly how that feels...…….

I am not and will never be a marcher. I don't understand how it helps to get a bunch of people who all feel the same madder and madder and more heartbroken and angry ..

John_W 06-07-2020 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779188)
Anyone can read your original post, but if you can't remember what you wrote...that's no one else's fault. :oops:

And once again, I'll point out that the Mayor who was going solely by those who "told him"...were also the ones who were attempting to protect this callous act by one of their own.

Just watch the video.

Callous Act!!! The man was a known instigator, rebel-rouser, a lost soul, who lived off relatives and the only found solice in life, was to go out and get arrested whenever he could. The protests played right into his hands!!!


manaboutown 06-07-2020 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggles (Post 1779075)
Now, there's absolutely no question that George Floyd did not deserve to die, let alone die while in police custody. I view what happened as murder (some don't, but like most, I do). It is fitting that the 4 policemen are being prosecuted for his death, and I am confident and hopeful that Derek Chauvin will be convicted and as the main perpetrator will serve very serious jail time indeed. That is justice.

But to describe the late George Floyd as other than a sordid career criminal would be a lie. Read on:
George Floyd’s Criminal Past
• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest during which the police brutality occurred
• Floyd had more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the perpetrator of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
Before moving to Minneapolis in 2014, George Floyd was released from prison in Texas. He worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant.

Floyd was a career criminal until his unfortunate end. To paint him otherwise is preposterous.

One cop overdid kneeling on his neck and wrongfully killed him for which he will be tried for murder in a court of law. The other three stood by and let it happen. They will all be tried for their inaction in a court of law as well.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-07-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1777975)
Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube

“Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We’ve got to face that. And we’ve got to do something about our moral standards,” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961. “We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can’t keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.”

Martin Luther King

Antique lady 06-07-2020 12:18 PM

It is heartbreaking to see a young woman with out much life experience become such an outspoken and judgemental person. Sad... We can not heal until we accept reality that our nation right now is not fostering unity. Our nation right not does not value the unflinching contributions of people of color and the labor of Latino immigrants.... I look forward to her learning a bit more before we tacitly say she is a voice to be heard above millions of others....

Antique lady 06-07-2020 12:24 PM

At least 11.6 million criminal incidents were reported to law enforcement agencies throughout the United States in 1999; by 2018, that number had declined to just over 8.4 million despite a population increase of 20% during that time.
What that means is that even as the United States has swelled by more than 50 million people, both the number and rate of most crimes reported to law enforcement have dropped, and some have fallen by incredibly high rates. Without hope crime becomes the drug of choice.... Looks like before the pandemic and the gruesome murder of Mr. Floyd, that we all witnessed, we are all doing so very much better helping our youth have hope. Let's keep up the idea that this is a nation where hope still lives for all of people...

phylt 06-07-2020 12:42 PM

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! She's definitely a clear thinker who does her research!

RedChariot 06-07-2020 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1777975)
Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube

No we white would never be allowed to voice this opinion. Her points are well taken. Floyd should never have died in the manner he did. But he should not be the person who's name is plastered on a tee shirt and in who's name monuments and buildings are burned and desecrated.

Taltarzac725 06-07-2020 01:01 PM

He is a symbol of things very wrong with this great country. He may also be a symbol for change and for the better.

More checks-and-balances is a very good thing and hopefully that is what will happen. Cops pointing out other officers' transgressions and doing something about these. Rather than just standing behind the blue line and allowing things to continue.

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 1779282)
No we white would never be allowed to voice this opinion. Her points are well taken. Floyd should never have died in the manner he did. But he should not be the person who's name is plastered on a tee shirt and in who's name monuments and buildings are burned and desecrated.


Joe V. 06-07-2020 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 1779282)
No we white would never be allowed to voice this opinion. Her points are well taken. Floyd should never have died in the manner he did. But he should not be the person who's name is plastered on a tee shirt and in who's name monuments and buildings are burned and desecrated.

The same people who wear Che and Fidel T-shirts will wear this one too.

ColdNoMore 06-07-2020 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Antique lady (Post 1779259)
At least 11.6 million criminal incidents were reported to law enforcement agencies throughout the United States in 1999; by 2018, that number had declined to just over 8.4 million despite a population increase of 20% during that time.
What that means is that even as the United States has swelled by more than 50 million people, both the number and rate of most crimes reported to law enforcement have dropped, and some have fallen by incredibly high rates. Without hope crime becomes the drug of choice.... Looks like before the pandemic and the gruesome murder of Mr. Floyd, that we all witnessed, we are all doing so very much better helping our youth have hope. Let's keep up the idea that this is a nation where hope still lives for all of people...

:thumbup:

manaboutown 06-07-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1779287)
He is a symbol of things very wrong with this great country. He may also be a symbol for change and for the better.

More checks-and-balances is a very good thing and hopefully that is what will happen. Cops pointing out other officers' transgressions and doing something about these. Rather than just standing behind the blue line and allowing things to continue.

Floyd is a symbol all right. He burst into a home and held a gun to an eight month pregnant woman's stomach so he and a group of other thugs could steal everything they could find of value in her home.

I wonder how she, her husband and her child feel about this violent felon? She had to have been traumatized by this thug's behavior. I wonder how many other crimes like this he committed with which he got away?

Antique lady 06-07-2020 01:49 PM

Candice
 
Education is always the key. This young woman needs to educate herslelf about the history of this nation. She speaks without the benefit of knowledge.

I would advise all to view the History Channel's documentary entitled Black Wall Street which shares the story of the Tulsa massacre of African Americans when an ill informed white mob descends on their community. Go to youtube and type in Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Black Wall Street - Full Documentary - YouTube

It illustrates the lengths whites have historically be willing to go in order to feel superior. Such thinking has always led to death and destruction..

ColdNoMore 06-07-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Antique lady (Post 1779322)
Education is always the key. This young woman needs to educate herslelf about the history of this nation. She speaks without the benefit of knowledge.

I would advise all to view the History Channel's documentary entitled Black Wall Street which shares the story of the Tulsa massacre of African Americans when an ill informed white mob descends on their community. Go to youtube and type in Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Black Wall Street - Full Documentary - YouTube

It illustrates the lengths whites have historically be willing to go in order to feel superior.

Such thinking has always led to death and destruction..


Well stated!

The sad fact is that she, like so many others, have no clue as to what her ancestors had to suffer and go through, just so she can even just publicly express her views...regardless of how wrong-headed they are. :ohdear:

Just as so many have never stopped to even comprehend, that at the beginning of this nation, African-Americans were the ONLY immigrants...brought here in ropes and chains.
:mad:


Taltarzac725 06-07-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe V. (Post 1779288)
The same people who wear Che and Fidel T-shirts will wear this one too.

I sincerely doubt that.

Taltarzac725 06-07-2020 02:12 PM

George Floyd paid for this crime.

The cops who killed him should pay for theirs.

I have been a very effective advocate for victims/witnesses of crime for most of my life.

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1779321)
Floyd is a symbol all right. He burst into a home and held a gun to an eight month pregnant woman's stomach so he and a group of other thugs could steal everything they could find of value in her home.

I wonder how she, her husband and her child feel about this violent felon? She had to have been traumatized by this thug's behavior. I wonder how many other crimes like this he committed with which he got away?


talleyjm 06-07-2020 02:15 PM

One of the witnesses to the event said he was acting like he was drunk or on something. Let's stop trying to
canonize this guy. He was career criminal who was treated unjustly while being arrested. And he died because of it. Tragic.
I'm waiting for more facts to come out about cause of death. Odd that the first autopsy didn't fit the PC agenda so another autopsy had to be done that did. Experts can be bought and will say whatever you want them to say if you offer them enough money. We may never know what really caused his death. NONE of what's going on right now is about the death of this man. Read between
the lines. You don't murder other blacks and police officers, destroy property, loot, etc., because a black man died at the hands of
a white policeman. And it's only going to get crazier as November 3rd approaches. Buckle up!

manaboutown 06-07-2020 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1779337)
George Floyd paid for this crime.

The cops who killed him should pay for theirs.

I have been a very effective advocate for victims/witnesses of crime for most of my life.

As I stated in my previous post #218, they will be tried in a court of law - and thereby "pay for theirs(crimes)". Duh!

From large numbers of your prior posts I know you are an advocate for victims' rights. Why don't you locate the pregnant lady to whose stomach Floyd held a gun and see if you can help her out in any way?

eyc234 06-07-2020 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779331)

Well stated!

The sad fact is that she, like so many others, have no clue as to what her ancestors had to suffer and go through, just so she can even just publicly express her views...regardless of how wrong-headed they are. :ohdear:

Just as so many have never stopped to even comprehend, that at the beginning of this nation, African-Americans were the ONLY immigrants...brought here in ropes and chains.
:mad:



So you know this woman, know what she does & does not know and have intimate knowledge of her beliefs and thoughts. Then you degrade her for her thoughts. Then you tell all the rest of us that we have never learned, thought or comprehend the wrongs and the history of this country and humankind. As long as people of all ilks continue to deride versus discuss issues the divide will continue to grow.

John_W 06-07-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Antique lady (Post 1779322)
Education is always the key. This young woman needs to educate herslelf about the history of this nation. She speaks without the benefit of knowledge.

I would advise all to view the History Channel's documentary entitled Black Wall Street which shares the story of the Tulsa massacre of African Americans when an ill informed white mob descends on their community. Go to youtube and type in Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

So because something happened in Tulsa Oklahoma in 1921, Candace Owens doesn't know anything about black/white history. Maybe she does know, maybe she wrote that PBS documentary. Maybe she has a genius IQ.

You could stop 100 black people at random on the street and they wouldn't know about it either. What's next, she has jump through hoops. Sounds like you've got the agenda, not this lady!!!

John_W 06-07-2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1779337)
I have been a very effective advocate for victims/witnesses of crime for most of my life.

Good for You!! What's next on your docket?

ColdNoMore 06-07-2020 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 1779347)
So you know this woman, know what she does & does not know and have intimate knowledge of her beliefs and thoughts. Then you degrade her for her thoughts. Then you tell all the rest of us that we have never learned, thought or comprehend the wrongs and the history of this country and humankind. As long as people of all ilks continue to deride versus discuss issues the divide will continue to grow.


Why don't you address the subject of the thread, by using generic responses, instead of throwing out specific personal attacks...at those you don't like? :oops:

If you took personal umbrage at one of my generic statements, because you thought it applied to you...that's not my problem. :rolleyes:

Thank you.
:ho:

graciegirl 06-07-2020 02:43 PM

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I agree with this general comment of the poster eyc234 as usual and ask that eyc234 becomes a virtual friend on this forum.. It is the things of importance that matter in others that draws us to them. It is a feeling of attitude and the aura of fairness and the lack of hatred. I hope that eyc234 will accept this small token as a compliment. On this thread alone, I felt much the same about several people whose comments were based on a realistic approach and not on a lot of rhetoric that inflames and angers and separates and prejudges..

GoodLife 06-07-2020 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779331)
The sad fact is that she, like so many others, have no clue as to what her ancestors had to suffer and go through, just so she can even just publicly express her views...regardless of how wrong-headed they are. :ohdear:

White liberal explains racism to black woman. :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

Antique lady 06-07-2020 02:48 PM

Candice
 
At the end of the day we all must take time to learn United States history... the good the bad and the ugly.

Events of the past inform thoughts of today and governs our present beliefs and actions.

My hope regarding encouraging all to watch the History Channel documentary about the Tulsa Black Wall Street Massacre was to provide context for why we continue to have so little faith in one another across perceived differences.

Knowing U.S. history helps us understand the unexamined parts of what we think and do...It conveys why we seek to decide, based on someone's past whether or not they deserved to be murdered on primetime television.... Most of us here are mid-life and older adults. Our systems are full of various drugs.... We are in drug induced good health.....and I would be just as furious if anyone here was murdered in that same way. We would have an interesting toxicology report....

I am from that part of the country, near Tulsa, and the scars are deep but people there coexist without resentment. We are all just trying to live our best lives.....


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