[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html

One thing to keep in mind about the CDC is that they change their recommendations as new information comes in, and new studies of COVID-19 are coming in quite often. This is the scientific method. This is the way it is supposed to be done. Thus, if what one of the directors says today differs from what the director said last week, it may be because of new data.

I received my second vaccination on February 18, and I’m so glad. I used to be pretty fanatical about wearing masks and not touching things and using hand sanitizer and keeping my distance and not going places, but I’ve relaxed that a lot, though I’m not back to normal. I wear masks when asked to because I want to be an example to others.

However, here is something to think about. The Pfizer vaccine I had is said to be 95% effective against catching COVID and probably 100% effective against getting a case requiring hospitalization. Same with Moderna. The Johnson and Johnson seems to be, what, about 70% effective against getting COVID and 100% effective against a case requiring hospitalization? But what if you don’t want to get it at all because even seemingly mild cases can have after-effects that are life changing and may not show up for a couple months?

Think about it. Don’t think about ONLY 5%. Think about FIVE PERCENT! I’ve seen people obsessing about diseases they have a one in a thousand chance of catching. Or even less. This is one chance in twenty. If you had one chance in twenty of getting, say, lung cancer or breast cancer or brain cancer or AIDS or COPD in the next MONTH or YEAR if you FILL IN THE BLANK one time, would you take the risk? If you knew that if you ride your motorcycle or horse or play softball or pickle ball you have one chance in twenty of suffering permanent injury, would you do it? Lots of people buy lottery tickets even when their chance of winning is much worse than one in a million. I never have because the odds are terrible. But if there was one chance in twenty? It would be more tempting.

I’m taking more risks now, but they are small risks, much smaller if everyone involved has been vaccinated. The chance of my catching COVID from someone else who has been vaccinated is nearly in lottery ticket territory. Would I want to work on a hospital ward treating patients with COVID? Not without a mask and gloves and gown.

[Byte1]

Because most of the so-called "experts" that work for the gov. are Political Hacks and say what they are told to say. It is unusual for one of them to step outside of the script and tell us what they REALLY believe.
It's all about gov. control. I've been saying on here for some time that there are many real experts that say that once your vaccination kicks in, the virus is "killed" and you cannot give it to others. But, there are some on here that allow hysteria rule their lives and NEED someone one to confirm their fears....thus they wish to listen to what big brother tells them.

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

The correct way to interpret the statistics from the trials is as follows. If you are fully vaccinated and two weeks after your second shot, the probability of developing symptoms (look at the trial studies for the exact definition of what symptoms, how many symptoms, and the level of symptoms they call "positive") if you are exposed is reduced by 20x (95% efficacy) compared with not having been vaccinated. Your probability of developing symptoms if you are exposed and not vaccinated is not precisely known but is generally a small number. In the trials, they don't know who was exposed. So, the vaccine reduces this unknown, but small number, by 20x. Some early numbers from Washington state have the breakthrough rate at 0.01%. Also, if you are vaccinated, your probability of developing serious disease symptoms that lead to hospitalization and possibly death is essentially zero. By any objective measure, the vaccines are extremely effective at doing what we would hope they would do; prevent serious disease and death.

Very good explanation!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

Seems prudent to maintain risk reductions methods until there is proof we have reached and sustained a low rate of new infections.

People not doing so will make this take longer.

The graphs fail to show reality. The graphs are based on the amount of positive test results, not how many NEW infected. If one person shows a positive result, then that person returns over and over again for testing until they show a negative result. Each one of those test results are counted as an additional infected. The test results and the reporting system are both flawed.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Byte1

The graphs fail to show reality. The graphs are based on the amount of positive test results, not how many NEW infected. If one person shows a positive result, then that person returns over and over again for testing until they show a negative result. Each one of those test results are counted as an additional infected. The test results and the reporting system are both flawed.

Yeah, it's been like that since the start of this whole ordeal.

My entire family has Covid in January (we found out via antibody tests in April when the tests frst came out)

Well, an antibody test that is positive also is a Covid-19 indicator. We tested monthly, so I have, myself contributed 12 positives to the counter personally, and my family nearly 50 positives...even though Covid tests are negative...

Now what will be interesting is if I have an actual positive Covid test, now that I am vaccinated as well.

Lots of things may get me, but I am doing my best to ensure it isn't this virus!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Gobragh

There are people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten COVID-19

Prove it. I've heard a bunch of folks that WILL NOT get vaccinated that insist on repeating "urban legends" but no one has provide and valid proof of those statements.

[Byte1]

I've been inoculated and that's about as far as I go at this point in time. I do not wear my mask unless a business requires it. Sorry, but your fear mongering does not effect me. If you are scared, then stay home, period. The death rate is receding, and now someone has decided that we have to have a new boogieman, such as a new variant of the old. I am not going to become a pin cushion to make others feel all "warm and fuzzy." I have never had the flu and do not get the flu shot. If I do get the flu in the future, I probably won't get the shot at my age. I do not care what you do and encourage you to do what you feel is right for YOU. Do not presume to shame me into doing what you deem appropriate for my life, meaning that it is actually for YOUR life. Do not ever think that saying someone is not being "patriotic" like a certain clown on TV recently said, is going to effect me. After you have walked in my shoes, you can determine whether or not I am not a "patriot." If you believe everything that the gov tells you to be factual and true, then you should go ahead and line up for every vaccination available.
If you wish to criticize me, I will be the one NOT wearing a mask in public or wearing a window screen mask in stores requiring the wearing of a mask. If you have a problem with that, then stay away from me. "Selfish?" I am not the one demanding that others conform to my standards and whims. You do what you wish to do and stay your distance from me. I am more worried about catching your "stupid" than catching a flu or virus.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Ok, so educate us if all of us aren't doing the math right....

lf you would please take the time to read the brief, for me, post, you will see highlighted in green a link to how to do the math. I almost always include links in my posts, but not this one.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Prove it. I've heard a bunch of folks that WILL NOT get vaccinated that insist on repeating "urban legends" but no one has provide and valid proof of those statements.

OK, it is a bit of a slippery slope. There are definitely a few people that have tested positive for Covid post-vaccination. However, the real questions should not be who tested positive, but who actually caught an active, debilitating Covid infection. Which is virtually NIL.

So my theory, probably flawed, is that these are either false positives, with no symptoms whatsoever, or they are the ones in at 4% group that the vaccine did not take. If that is the case, who's to know?

The vaccine 'takes' on 96% or so of all people. So 4% are effectively not vaccinated, even though they got the shot.

Remember the scar on the shoulder? That's how you proved you were vaccinated and the vaccine 'took'. I don't have the scar and I got the vaccine every year because they always thought I never had it.

What is interesting is that I read a study where they were testing using multiple versions of the vaccines (mix or match). Maybe that is the key to getting closer to 100% ?

Essentially, to your challenge - nobody can prove it. Nobody. Because as long as the vaccine is not 100% effective, we have zero chance of knowing if the person who got Covid actually had the vaccine 'take'.

[tuccillo]

You wanted a reference on vaccine breakthrough cases:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Newsroom/Arti...shington-state

Originally Posted by Byte1

Prove it. I've heard a bunch of folks that WILL NOT get vaccinated that insist on repeating "urban legends" but no one has provide and valid proof of those statements.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Gobragh View Post
There are people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten COVID-19
Byte1
Prove it. I've heard a bunch of folks that WILL NOT get vaccinated that insist on repeating "urban legends" but no one has provide and valid proof of those statements.

Lordy lordy. How can you not be aware of the many many reports of fully immunized people getting Covid. The very fact that the vaccine efficacy is NOT 100% tells you that in the licensing studies there were breakthrough cases.

Let's see what FoxNews has to say on this subject

Can I still spread the coronavirus after I'''m vaccinated? | Fox News

Their answer is yes you can including this piece of FoxNews advice:

Given the uncertainty and the arrival of more contagious variants, experts say fully vaccinated people should continue to wear masks and social distance in public and when visiting with unvaccinated people at high risk for severe illness if infected.

[SugarOnMyTongue]

Nobody knows how long the vaccine will last. What happens as their effectiveness starts to fade and people thinking they were protected are now vulnerable again (think annual flu vaccine). We do know masks continue to be effective. There is a valid place for both masks and vaccine until more is learn about the disease and the vaccine.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

You wanted a reference on vaccine breakthrough cases:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Newsroom/Arti...shington-state

Correct - we know that 4% of the people who receive the vaccine are not actually vaccinated. The comment 'fully vaccinated' means that they had both shots.

The article also states that this is perfectly normal in ALL vaccines.

[sloanst]

The huge majority of us have been vaccinated for Polio, small pox, diphtheria, typhoid fever and many other diseases. Did we have to wear masks then? The answer to that question should tell you all you need to know.

[5:00somewhere]

We should consider one other answer. Fauci is a product of the MSM. He literally was at the very source of this virus. He has never been forthcoming with the facts and when he does speak about it; he flip flops on almost everything. I think he might not want to give up the spotlight. I hope I am wrong, but this man is a sorry excuse for a scientist. This is not meant as any kind of political statement.