[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Name one

I don't know the names of any of the 3,950 people in the study that prompted this thread and therefore I don't know the names of the 44 who became infected after being vaccinated... but they exist.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Very few and mostly minor or asymptomatic with not enough vireii to infect anyone. An awful lot of chicken littles on this thread.

"Very few" : that's the point of the vaccine, isn't it?

(BTW: Very few > 0)

"mostly minor or asymptomatic with not enough vireii to infect anyone" : Was there an appendix to the study that I didn't see (or are you making that up)?

"chicken littles" : Those with facts that don't fit your desired narrative?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by donassaid

Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Brandolini's law

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html

In YOUR OWN 2nd paragraph you have the ANSWER to YOUR own thread, "the CDC said that those who are vaccinated, LARGELY do not carry the VIRUS. The word LARGELY means most but not 100% do NOT carry CV. In fact, 90% of those vaccinated do not carry CV but 10% can carry it. You may be vaccinated but you or 10% like you CAN carry and infect others. It is 90% unlikely that you DO carry it (that is the LARGELY WORD). But with a 10% likelihood that you infect your friends, children, or grandchildren - are you WILLING to take that risk. Probably NOT. Do your grandkids feel lucky? That abundance of caution is why the CDC is saying to REMAIN VIGILANT by masking and distance EVEN AFTER getting the vaccine. Certainly, we owe that to our grandkids and others. Also, the 15% that have been vaccinated need to act as model LEADERS to help the other 85% keep from spreading the Pandemic. The CV cases are increasing in the US and Florida. Florida is one of the worst!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Neils

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

An entire 3rd grade class at The Villages Charter School is under QUARANTINE. They are 10-year-olds.

[talleyjm]

Originally Posted by charmed59

Actually, it’s 40 and over, going to 16 and over April 7th. Two weeks ago it was incredibly easy to get a vaccine. Signup at saferestart, signup at myvaccine.fl.gov, call your doctor, login to Publix at 7am Mon, wed, fri. Scan availability at Winn Dixie, Walmart, Sam’s Club, CVS, Walgreens. Lots of options.

We never jumped onto the vaccine panic train - we never got up at 5:30 a.m. with multiple electronic devices, to spend 2+ hours, three times a week scrambling for an appointment at Publix, or drove far afield in search of the vaccine. We waited patiently and had faith. We’ve both had our shots. Yesterday I was approached by a pharmacy tech while shopping in Walmart who asked me if I wanted to get a vaccine shot because a number of folk were no shows! My husband was approached by a woman with a clipboard while he was pitching horseshoes asking him if he wanted to sign up for an appointment to get vaccinated! Have faith, social distance, wear a mask when prudent and most of all, CHILL❗️This too will pass.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Boomer

According to stats I have heard recently, the boomers and beyond have a high percentage getting vaccinated. And — hospitalizations are way down in this age group.

But — there is a rise in hospitalizations among people in their 30s and 40s.

Some of the younger age group simply have not had the chance to get the vaccination yet.

Some still think they are invincible.

And, of course, there must be a small percentage with a legit reason not to vax up.

But many others are the “muh freedoms” bunch with probably also a correlation to how much influence their constant, poison, Facebook feeds have in their lives.

When we are out and about, we can cross paths with a lot of 30 and 40-somethings so I will continue to wear a mask in public places.

This is a learning curve. I cannot figure out how some people can’t use their own brains to think this thing through and see that we are experiencing a learning curve, so we need to pay very close attention to the science and do the best we can — which is what Fauci & Co. are doing. But noooooo, some gotta go ‘round always loaded for bear.

We can get there — unless Pogo is proved to be right in this one, too.

We were recently invited to a little party later in the month — of only vaccinated guests — and that’s just fine with me — we won’t be wearing masks.

Boomer

Well, do you know if you are in the 90% group or the 10% group? That is the question! Want to risk it?

[talleyjm]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Some people just want to berate Dr. Fauci every chance they get. Thank you for his explanation which, seriously, everyone should have already known if they would just put on their thinking cap. This is not rocket science, folks.

I’ll take my chance now to berate him then. “Wee Fauci” as I call him is a political hack. And I said that with my thinking cap on.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

100% correct and I agree wholeheartedly

And I agree with BOTH Mr. Golfing and JoMar.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

one in ten chance of catching Covid after being vaccinated? Definately not that. Not sure what the one in ten is referring to..

However, the testimony was the chance of catching covid is nearly impossible, or rather no known cases after the waiting period, as real world studies show -in other works, after the successful vaccination the chance is effectively zero.

Not true!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

OK, it is a bit of a slippery slope. There are definitely a few people that have tested positive for Covid post-vaccination. However, the real questions should not be who tested positive, but who actually caught an active, debilitating Covid infection. Which is virtually NIL.

So my theory, probably flawed, is that these are either false positives, with no symptoms whatsoever, or they are the ones in at 4% group that the vaccine did not take. If that is the case, who's to know?

The vaccine 'takes' on 96% or so of all people. So 4% are effectively not vaccinated, even though they got the shot.

Remember the scar on the shoulder? That's how you proved you were vaccinated and the vaccine 'took'. I don't have the scar and I got the vaccine every year because they always thought I never had it.

What is interesting is that I read a study where they were testing using multiple versions of the vaccines (mix or match). Maybe that is the key to getting closer to 100% ?

Essentially, to your challenge - nobody can prove it. Nobody. Because as long as the vaccine is not 100% effective, we have zero chance of knowing if the person who got Covid actually had the vaccine 'take'.

This is not my understanding. The unlucky small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated and do contract Covid actually are protected from having moderate to severe symptoms and are also protected from being hospitalized. That small percentage of people have protection when you consider they will not be hospitalized and die. This is what the efficacy has shown from the trials.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Correct - we know that 4% of the people who receive the vaccine are not actually vaccinated. The comment 'fully vaccinated' means that they had both shots.

The article also states that this is perfectly normal in ALL vaccines.

Of course they are fully vaccinated if they received both shots. The efficacy is not 100% and yes, there is a small percentage of people who will contract Covid. BUT.......those folks who do, in fact, contract Covid ARE STILL PROTECTED from moderate to severe Covid symptoms; they are also protected from hospitalization and they are protected from death at a rate of 100% in the trials. How can they be considered "not actually vaccinated"??? That boggles my mind.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by sloanst

The huge majority of us have been vaccinated for Polio, small pox, diphtheria, typhoid fever and many other diseases. Did we have to wear masks then? The answer to that question should tell you all you need to know.

NONE of the communicable diseases you mentioned in your post are transmitted via droplets or aerosols, so, no masking is necessary to prevent the transmission of these diseases.

Look up how those diseases are transmitted. I did.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

I believe it is more accurate to say that everyone who has had both shots will experience a small probability that the vaccine will not protect them against asymptomatic infection or infection with mild symptoms. The vaccine appears to be drive the probability of severe disease or death to near zero for everyone who has had both shots. Of course, with J&J it is one shot.

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have a higher efficacy (80%) after their first shot than the "one and done" J&J vaccine. You can consider the mRNA vaccines as "one and done" if you only get one shot and still have a better efficacy than J&J.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by justjim

Unfortunately wearing a mask became “political” early on in the pandemic. That said, you will likely see people wearing masks during the flu season long after the pandemic has been put to rest. I’ve got use to a mask and personally don’t see it any more an issue than wearing a seatbelt. I remember how people resisted wearing them. According to Google it is estimated 90.7% of adults now use seatbelts. Not required in New Hampshire.

Seriously? No way in hell is that going to happen when this pandemic is long gone and well behind us.