Unfortunately, the experts are not saying that it would be "socially desirable or responsible" for those of us that have been vaccinated to ware a mask, they are saying that we "HAVE" to ware a mask. If you ask me for a favor, I will probably go out of my way to do it. If you demand it of me, I will probably tell you where you can go.

Well said Coffee bean... says it all. However remember, the "entitled", me first every else I dont care about. Also Florida has a governor ruled by the mighty dollar.. he does not want folk to need a passport to come to Florida and spend money. He will refuse Vaccine Passports to us all. How dare he, if we, vaccinated folk, want to travel abroad and must have a VP fine, but if he refuses to let Floridians have one he is stopping me seeing my family, when I am regarded as low risk. He, who hid is Covid Virus bout from us all.....

It's these kind of attitudes that try to "make the science work for they " instead of "following the science" that make me not want to follow your advise. If you are so concerned, why don't you stay home in your bubble for the next decade because I may not have a decade to wait it out.

Out of one million fully vaccinated individuals in Washington state, epidemiologists report evidence of 102 breakthrough cases, which represents .01 percent of vaccinated people in Washington.

That's not 10 percent, that's 1 in 10,000, almost all of which only know they tested positive because they were tested, but had no symptoms.

I am wondering if what we are seeing is a result of the vaccine changing body chemistry and after vaccination, you can test positive but not actually have the ability to transmit nor carry the virus.

The only way we know is if a month after vaccination, everyone has to go and get Covid tested. But it could be kind of like a TB test. I've always tested positive for TB since getting vaccinated 50+ years ago.

The science is new...

There are many reported cases of people who are fully vaccinated still testing positive and having the virus. Most significant difference is they are not endearing up in the hospital or dead. The vaccine does NOT eliminate Covid-19. YOU can still be infected . Yes we are safer if vaccinated and on this community with kids running around, and many who still think it's a hoax I will wear a mask unless I know the circle is composed of vaccinated people who know how to wash their hands. After all science only has limited data to advise with right now. By December a years worth of data will be more powerful. Do what works for you..

Because thousand of people world wide are getting Covid weeks after being fully vaccinated. The vaccine is not 100% fool prove

Not true.....people all over the US and the world are contracting the Covid virus weeks after being fully vaccinated, two in WA died. This is not a 100% fix, so just because you have been vaccinated dose not mean you are save from getting the virus.....they have told you that from day one.

This is not logically consistent.

He is not allowing businesses to REQUIRE a passport as a condition of using the business.

How does this stop you from seeing your family in any fashion?

How does this stop you from getting your papers in order so that you can go to states which might require them? Answer, it doesn't.

He is not forbidding you from getting your papers. He is forbidden the federal government from _REQUIRING_ papers in the state of Florida so that you can go about your daily life.

It's not going to happen anyway. It's a useless document that won't have any real meaning for a lot of real and genuine scientific reasons of which vaccine efficacy and viral mutations are just two. Sales in forged ones will probably outpace "real" ones as well.

Absolutely right
 

I certainly don't trust "anti-vaxers" to follow the honor system.

I certainly don't either.. selfish attitude in refusing a vaccine that saves lives.

I don’t believe that’s true. My understanding is that the vaccine has a 95% chance of preventing the virus from invading our cells where it will use the cells’ machinery to create copies of itself. That process is what makes people sick. And, 95% means there’s a one in 20 chance that it will invade your cells and might make you sick and possibly even kill you. That is a long ways from “almost no chance!”. You are not 100% immune to the virus.

Also, we can still be infected. We can carry the virus in our bodies and pass it on to others even if we aren’t making more of it. That’s why we still need to be careful.

" This pandemic has really shown an ability to separate those that are considerate of others and those that are totally self centered, and I will remember which category people fall in forever.[/QUOTE]"


This pandemic has really shown an ability to separate those that are easily lead and do as they are told, from those that are able to gather facts and think for themselves, and I will remember which category people fall in forever.

Since when is it the responsibility of society in general to inconvenience themselves to protect others. Those who are vulnerable or afraid need to protect themselves, and not rely on others to protect them. This constant whining of "it's your responsibility to protect me" did not exist decades ago. If you have a problem, get it solved yourself, don't expect all of society to change their lifestyle to protect you.

There are people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten COVID-19

The bolded part is wrong. The virus cannot duplicate itself. Your body duplicates the virus because the virus programmed it to do so. The virus can get into you, this is true. The speed of the immune response effects what happens next. In 95% of the vaccinated, your immune system sees it, and destroys it before it can get a foothold.

In the other 5%, the immune response is attenuated. It can go from allowing very little of the body's cells from getting infected to having no effect at all. It is clear that the vaccine is stimulating _some_ response in everyone who has had it. At least to the spike proteins that the vaccine is targeted towards. As to mutations, time will tell, that said, one of the more stable sequence motifs is the spike proteins. I.e. if the spike protein changes much, the virus doesn't work any longer, therefore since this is where the vaccine is targeted, it will likely have good efficacy even in mutations.

I challenge you to produce a link to where any expert said you "have to ware [sic] a mask" without providing an explanation that such was for an infectious disease reason or because the vaccines were known to not be 100% effective. Every single expert I have heard has been very careful in their wording to explain that masking is a public health benefit not saying you "have" to wear it. Rather that you "should" wear it

From the CDC's website: Do I need to wear a mask after 2 doses of vaccine?

It depends. For now, fully vaccinated people can gather indoors without physical distancing or wearing masks with: Other people who are fully vaccinated
Unvaccinated people from one other household, unless any of those people or anyone they live with has an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19

Until more is known, fully vaccinated people should continue to wear masks and stay 6 feet apart from other people in other settings, like when they are in public or visiting with unvaccinated people from multiple households.

More and more FULLY vaccinated people contracting COVID
 

That's because you are being lied to and intentionally misled.

Cliff notes:

Fully vaccinated people are contracting COVID-19; Fauci is "taking it seriously"; many breakthrough cases right here in central Florida; growing number of people getting COVID-19 who have been FULLY vaccinated; will have to continue social distancing and wearing masks (LOL - what is the vaccine for again?).

Hanna Rewerts (healthcare worker) regarding the vaccines: "I don't think the public is aware that it doesn't mean you're not getting the virus ... and it doesn't mean you're not getting sick".

Pfizer & Moderna vaccines are 95% effective (but not for the variants); those vaccinated have destroyed their innate immune system and are greatly vulnerable to the variants; much more vulnerable than those who are not taking these shots. This is what happens when people ignore real scientists and prefer to listen to political hacks (Fauci).

FACT: Everyone will eventually be exposed to the virus; that is inevitable. Those who relied on their innate immune system will have a robust defense against COVID-19 and all the variants (which, by the way, are primarily caused by mass vaccinations). Those who took Moderna & Pfizer shots (but not J&J and AstraZeneca) are 95% protected from the SINGULAR original COVID-19 for which their cells were hijacked to make that SINGULAR spike protein. When exposed to the many variants multiplying daily, their bodies will simply not be able to defend from them.

I think for breakfast, I am going to go have an orange (Vitamin C), and some yogurt topped with pumpkin seeds (Zinc) and maybe a couple of Brazil nuts (Selenium) ... then go sit outside in the sun for 10-15 minutes making Vitamin D out of cholesterol. That's all my immune system needs; yours too (if you haven't had Moderna / Pfizer).

After all the variants demonstrate the foolishness of this mass vaccination experiment, it's those of us who did NOT get vaccinated that will be given "passports" for cruising / travel / etc. Vaccinated people will be the ones susceptible to ... getting sick from ... and contagious with ... the multiple variants.

Masks on everyone.

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated - YouTube

And they can't be sued for anything related to these vaccines

Why Pfizer And Moderna Can't Be Sued For Covid Vaccine Side Effects - YouTube

I don’t think that those who do not get vaccinated are “selfish.” Some people due to medical issues should not get vaccinated. Also, some people feel as though not enough testing has been done and the fact the vaccines are not FDA approved (rather just UA) makes them feel that it isn’t safe or proven enough to make themselves part of the clinical study. Not an opinion, just facts.

Darwin may have a say here. But, it won't be to take out those of us who refuse a vaccine. Our immune systems are intact. Vaccinated people are at great risk of the variants. I guess you just go get another vaccine?

No, 95% does not mean a one in 20 chance you will get infected.

It means 1 in twenty are susceptible. And, couple that with the incredibly low chance of getting infected to begin with and you've not even made enough data for a slow news day.

Ummmm - No thank you. My body, my choice. Ask the pro-abortion crowd.

Abortion is infanticide - or murder. We're not going there.

Yes, 5 more days and everyone can get appointments for shots. If they don't that's on them. I don't think we need to mask up after people have had the chance to get their shots.

We are all going to die from something. Scared? No I am always prepared.

I got mine because the govern are going to take control of what we can and can't do. Only a matter of time we will look like the old WW2 movies, show me your papers, before you go anywhere.

After a year of govern control it is getting old listening to all their misleading information.

As I remember learning in school about the early 1940's a whole bunch of people decided that they would take on the responsibility of protecting others even at some risk to themselves. And a whole lot of people who couldn't go that whole route were willing to change their lifestyle for the common good even at a lot of personal inconvenience. In that historical event about 400,000 American's died and pretty much all the rest were thankful that others acted "to protect me" And yes it was decades ago.

This conflict has killed more Americans and the little inconvenience asked of those at home is to wear a darn mask, social distance, and when eligible get a couple shots and still you bitch and moan about such a little act for the common good

I'll still inconvenience myself to let an ambulance pass me even though it only helps protect somebody else from harm. I'll still cover my cough to protect others. Civil society should expect that. Some of us understand that some problems are best solved not by the individual and in fact require all of us to maximize success. But you do you.

Actually, I expect my own immune system to protect me. I don't give a **** whether you or anyone else gets the vaccine as it has no value to me.

And their own immune systems can't protect them from the variants as it has been compromised by the Moderna / Pfizer vaccines. Those who took the J&J / Astra Zeneca vaccines (or no vaccine) still have a chance to protect, boost and rely upon their own immune systems for the tsunami of variants heading our way. Don't be a lemming.

...I really think that those that have received the vaccine may, at some time in the future, be weeded out by some virus variant because their natural immune system was compromised by the vaccine, and we'll be left with those healthy folks with a robust immune system that did not need, nor want, the vaccine.[/QUOTE]

What do you know? Another critical thinker paying attention to real scientists and not swallowing everything they hear from Fauci / CDC. Turn off CNN folks.

He didn't say you couldn't have a passport. He said that Florida businesses will not be allowed to REQUIRE a passport to enter buildings or obtain products / services. Take your passport and use it to go outside FL.

There is a lot of misinformation and missed information out there. No one is talking about or even concerned about the long term effects of the vaccine! No one has a clue and that’s scary especially since they are not true vaccines. If you are interested in some medical options that are not Dr Fauci brainwashed check out Dr Mercola’s new letter. At least you will be educated and have various opinions.

Agreed. Even with the extremely slight possibility of contracting the virus after vaccination, there are less than 10 worldwide that have died after inoculation. Nearly every positive Covid test after inoculation was the result of someone having the test down for another reason than symptoms.

We can can only contribute our part to herd immunity by getting the vaccine. Those who decline must be responsible for their own health. We should not be forced to change our lifestyle or comfort for those who decline to do so.

I agree. Hate it. I was just highlighting the hypocrisy of many who do support abortion with phrases like "my body, my choice", yet insist that I (and about 1/3 of the population) not have that same choice when declining to be vaccinated.

They will say I am selfish and putting others at risk. Yet, abortion does not risk a life - it actually takes one.

One word
 

CONTROL! How far will we let them control us, "the science" notwithstanding?

bingo!

First off, I'm not trusting a Herbal Medicine quack with my health.

Mercola.com - #1 Natural Health Website

And, the Covid 19 vaccines are very much 'true' vaccines.

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

Ok, I get the analogy!

I'm confused...
 

Dr. Fauci talks about all the continued masking- two masks, social distancing, etc., but I have yet to hear a word about dealing with Covid carrying immigrants entering our country and being shipped all over the country by the thousands every month. Where's the science on this? His silence speaks volumes.

Read the February 2021 issue if Imprimis. The article is adapted from a speech that Dr. Scott Atlas delivered at a Hillsdale College National Leadership Seminar in Phoenix, Arizona on February 18, 2021

It is ALL about control over us.

Ignorant is a term used for people who don't know because they've never been given an opportunity to learn. I am ignorant of the preferred flavors of ice cream in China. But if I were given an opportunity to learn and found it was similar to here, but I insisted on TOTV that the favorite was licorice, then I'd be a liar. If I lacked the brainpower to absorb the facts, then I'd be stupid. So which are you?

Half a million dead Americans found out that their immune systems didn't save them. 30 million Americans found out their immune system didn't prevent catching the disease. And absolutely no scientist would tell you that vaccinated people are more likely to become ill with the variants. In fact it is exactly the opposite. Vaccines provide some protection against the variants. And that protection is measured against how frequently non vaccinated healthy people get sick, with intact immune systems. Vaccinated people get sick less often. The amount of additional protection is still being evaluated.

Unvaccinated people are more likely to catch the variants as well as the original Covid. This is so simple and so elementary that anyone reading the literature and using Google would grasp this fact immediately.

The first published Lancet study of the AZ vaccine showed a 70% efficacy against the B 117 variant that is predominant in England. A very early bit of data on the Pfizer vaccine showed 100% efficacy against the South African variant B 1.351, but tiny numbers and clearly it will not be 100%.

Wearing a mask anytime I'm around people, (I do adhere to social distancing,) is a far cry from simply moving over for an ambulance, which may occur once or twice a month. And you still bitch and moan about how others are unwilling to protect you. Some of us understand there's something called individual responsibility, which comes before asking others to modify their lifestyle, just to protect them. But do you?