You are not confused. They are.

Here are three sites which give the number of tests administered to be more than 360M (more than one for every US citizen):
Statista
COVID tracking project
JHU

Both the COVID tracking project and the JHU page give the number of cases in the neighborhood of 30M. The COVID tracking page gives the number of individuals who tested negative as 75M.

30M cases + 75M negative individuals = 100M tests

Two thirds of the tests performed are not being counted as cases or individuals who test negative. Either that is due to data being tossed on the ground or that is due to data being de-duplicated. In either case, there is nothing that indicates that multiple positive tests from the same person are counted as separate cases.

I believe it is more accurate to say that everyone who has had both shots will experience a small probability that the vaccine will not protect them against asymptomatic infection or infection with mild symptoms. The vaccine appears to be drive the probability of severe disease or death to near zero for everyone who has had both shots. Of course, with J&J it is one shot.

The question is "can vaccinated people carry the virus." That is apples to apples.

Check out California COVID rules!

Unfortunately wearing a mask became “political” early on in the pandemic. That said, you will likely see people wearing masks during the flu season long after the pandemic has been put to rest. I’ve got use to a mask and personally don’t see it any more an issue than wearing a seatbelt. I remember how people resisted wearing them. According to Google it is estimated 90.7% of adults now use seatbelts. Not required in New Hampshire.

I just read an article that the Pfizer vaccine is covering the variant from South Africa extremely well. The article was linked in another forum and I can't recall which one so, I apologize for not providing a link. I will say I was extremely encouraged when I read that though.

I don't know if my assumption is very wrong but.....I do assume that what ever Pfizer claims about their vaccine, that the Moderna vaccine also must do the same, whether it is good news or bad news. As an example....I assume the Moderna vaccine also protects against the South African variant. Hope I'm not wrong about that.

Word Use
 

I believe that the words "Suggest" and "Suggesting" show that the evidence is not 100% and other possibilities exist,

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

oh boy, got the kool-aid?

My understanding is a fully vaccinated person will develop antibodies only when they are exposed to the virus. The mRNA vaccines make your body recognize the Covid virus then the immune system springs into action and calls up the T cells and B cells which launch a full on attack against the virus and that includes producing antibodies to attack the virus. Those antibodies will not be detected in a blood test unless you are exposed to the virus.

If I have this incorrect, will one of you physicians help me out here? Thanks.

I think you nailed it - that's how I understand it as well. It's also interesting as this month my antibodies are finally gone, after nearly a year. But my exposure was 14 months ago. And I am fully vaccinated.

This from ABC news about those who have contracted Covid in WA........

Of 1.2 million fully vaccinated people in Washington state, 100 have gotten COVID-19 - ABC News

Sorry to hear that have been deaths of fully vaccinated people. The two in WA were over 80 with underlying conditions. I guess these vaccines are not a guarantee that a person can not get severe disease. Sad to hear this news but I still feel very safe.

You hit the nail on the head. And that's the politics behind this guideline that we all continue to wear masks regardless. That the virus can be spread by vaccinated people is a myth to perpetuate mask wearing by everyone, in my opinion.

Otherwise, if vaccinated people stopped wearing masks, so would some unvaccinated people, because we don't know who's received the vaccines and who hasn't. The only way to keep unvaccinated people masked is to say that everyone can still carry the virus and pass it on whether they've been vaccinated or not.

Nothing is ever as it seems.

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Having difficulty quoting a post and it quoting properly. I've tried twice and I give up.

When the vaccine is about 95% effective it is more than a crap shoot.

Not true, the developers have a very good idea of how effective the vaccines are on people. They run clinical trials with a sufficient sample size that they can perform statistically significant hypothesis testing. The Pfizer and Moderna trials showed that the probability of experiencing symptoms (check the trial reports for the exact definitions) is reduced by 20x when compared to the control group (no vaccine). There is no crap shoot involved. The probability that you will experience severe disease if you are vaccinated is essentially reduced to zero.

[QUOTE=DeanFL;1924674]I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

You're "confused" ? Well, that is exactly what you are supposed to be. In any community or any language it's call CYA. The point in NOT to be wrong under any circumstances and, at all costs, protect your own rise to "prominence" in your field. It's the most common stance today rather in medicine, research, academia, or business fields, and, if that is your career goal, it is VERY important to understand how to negotiate this mine field.

While it was once true, people do not "accidentally", through their own dedicated work or natural ability, become "THE" top expert in their field; such as Anthony Fauci, at $418K, the highest paid government employee in 2019, more than the U. S. president. Not an accident of "fate", it's a planned career path that requires planning and many mentors beginning in graduate school (usually post M.S. or M.A. level, but not always). It also involves hiring a public relations person or firm to "push" your research and publications once you have managed to get a few things published in the various related journals in your field. It all has to be carefully choreographed now.

Of course an obscure oceanographer, or bio-chemist, or space engineer can still make an outstanding discovery and instantly rise to national prominence, but today's path is more typically a carefully developed plan much like entertainers and actors follow to reach "stardom", and involving professional public relations firms, agents, etc. Same for the biggest name authors, not just a serious of fortunate "accidents" any more if you wish to progress to the top of your profession.

Unfortunately, it is up to each individual to recognize this and try not to be "confused". It is regrettable that such useful skills as: logical analysis, recognition of propaganda (remember, "good or bad", propaganda is propaganda, if you do not really understand what it really is you are at great risk to become confused and worse), skills to recognize "emotionally laden" language (such as in a commercial that says, "YOU DESERVE a new Buick" or fill in the blank with any brand, and the many other skills we USED to teach in public schools beginning at the 6th, or even 5th grade level. Now, no time in the curriculum for this type of thing. Fewer and fewer of each generation learning some the the most important life skills in favor of more politically expedient areas and social-cultural topics. Many are confused with what they hear today (maybe better put what they are TOLD today) , you are definitely not alone in your confusion, that's the plan !

Have you noticed Fauci's latest P.R. "tour" of the various media this week ? All centered on making sure he covers ALL bases when asked directly about the "mask thing", making sure to cover that we may well have to always wear masks, or we may get to the point that it's no longer necessary. He is an absolute MASTER of saying nothing if you listen intently to the EXACT words he chooses, he and so many others. Successful "stars" in any field learn quickly how to speak so that anything can be turned 360 at any new turn of events. One additional "assignment", next time any of them speak, concentrate on how effectively they are able to side step a very direct question they do not want to answer (Fauci was recently confronted with a very false statement he made about efficiency of transmission) and he immediately said "HONESTLY (???) I am so busy with my responsibilities to keep people safe, I really don't have TIME to get into all the things said about me."

Translation: when caught in a lie or an intentional misleading statement meant to (what ? increase my renown or my finances ?), I will simply laugh it off with the attitude that I am so important I really don't' have time to answer/defend nonsense like that. Works for politicians too ... hey, maybe he is also a politician ?

Spot on...the lab animals died from this experimental vaccine. It’s just that...an experiment and we are the labs rats this time around....at least many are. Those who have done their homework know not to get it.

Dr. Mercola = QUACK

Dr. Joseph Mercola Ordered to Stop Illegal Claims | Quackwatch

Vaccinated individuals could still get COVID from unvaccinated people spreading it. The variants are now the problem and more to come until more people get vaccinated.

Not true. Source please?

Some few people have become infected with Covid after being vaccinated. That is what the report that prompted this thread was all about.

There was no mention of variants in that particular report.

Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Dr. Scott Atlas=QUACK with a capital Q

Name one

Your proof?? Only verified medical sites please.

Very few and mostly minor or asymptomatic with not enough vireii to infect anyone. An awful lot of chicken littles on this thread.

I don't know the names of any of the 3,950 people in the study that prompted this thread and therefore I don't know the names of the 44 who became infected after being vaccinated... but they exist.

"Very few" : that's the point of the vaccine, isn't it?

(BTW: Very few > 0)

"mostly minor or asymptomatic with not enough vireii to infect anyone" : Was there an appendix to the study that I didn't see (or are you making that up)?

"chicken littles" : Those with facts that don't fit your desired narrative?

Brandolini's law

In YOUR OWN 2nd paragraph you have the ANSWER to YOUR own thread, "the CDC said that those who are vaccinated, LARGELY do not carry the VIRUS. The word LARGELY means most but not 100% do NOT carry CV. In fact, 90% of those vaccinated do not carry CV but 10% can carry it. You may be vaccinated but you or 10% like you CAN carry and infect others. It is 90% unlikely that you DO carry it (that is the LARGELY WORD). But with a 10% likelihood that you infect your friends, children, or grandchildren - are you WILLING to take that risk. Probably NOT. Do your grandkids feel lucky? That abundance of caution is why the CDC is saying to REMAIN VIGILANT by masking and distance EVEN AFTER getting the vaccine. Certainly, we owe that to our grandkids and others. Also, the 15% that have been vaccinated need to act as model LEADERS to help the other 85% keep from spreading the Pandemic. The CV cases are increasing in the US and Florida. Florida is one of the worst!

An entire 3rd grade class at The Villages Charter School is under QUARANTINE. They are 10-year-olds.

We never jumped onto the vaccine panic train - we never got up at 5:30 a.m. with multiple electronic devices, to spend 2+ hours, three times a week scrambling for an appointment at Publix, or drove far afield in search of the vaccine. We waited patiently and had faith. We’ve both had our shots. Yesterday I was approached by a pharmacy tech while shopping in Walmart who asked me if I wanted to get a vaccine shot because a number of folk were no shows! My husband was approached by a woman with a clipboard while he was pitching horseshoes asking him if he wanted to sign up for an appointment to get vaccinated! Have faith, social distance, wear a mask when prudent and most of all, CHILL❗️This too will pass.

Well, do you know if you are in the 90% group or the 10% group? That is the question! Want to risk it?

I’ll take my chance now to berate him then. “Wee Fauci” as I call him is a political hack. And I said that with my thinking cap on.

And I agree with BOTH Mr. Golfing and JoMar.

Not true!