Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1925449)

Don't doubt it at all, but just curious, how did you find out, was it in the Daily Sun ? Curious because our only newspaper "seems to me ?"" does one lousy job of keeping us informed for the sake of safety. Just my opinion. Sad when one can't depend on our own local (looking after the best interests of its citizens as it should) newspaper can't be counted on !

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1925450)

It doesn't panic me if I am in the 10% group because I know I will not have moderate or severe symptoms or be hospitalized and die from Covid. That is the protection I believe I have and that has made me feel safe from dying of Covid.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1926261)

Inside knowledge from friends inside the school system.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1925532)

No they cannot.

Anyone who has been fully vaccinated and is not in that 4% group, cannot get, or give, the virus at all.

But nobody knows who is in that 4% group..

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com (Post 1925549)

Amazing! We have so many epidemiologists on this site! Cool!

Hmmmm...... I think the original post asked something about why Fauci was saying everyone should just wear a mask even after fully vaccinated?

Fauci should have never ever been assigned to this in the first place....... and history will show what a mistake it was to appoint and retain someone like this to this problem - when we have so many wonderful experts and thought-leaders in premier institutions around the world - current and practicing experts that are so much better at communicating and fostering trust......

Seriously, if I was in charge - I would have never appointed or retained him - and I doubt if I would have even considered consulting him - especially with his conflicting advice. Why do people and leaders think he is the ‘end all’ and ‘know all’? Heck - I wouldn’t even want his advice if he made a house call for no charge. If he is the one and only expert on the face of the earth ..... we are doomed - and getting a vaccine or wearing masks really will make no difference.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1926263)

Yes, but are you spreading it? That is why the CDC says keep up masking and distance. It is out of an abundance of caution. Note that in the US the U.K. variant has gone from 1% to 27 % and is the most prominent variant of CV in Florida. Anyway, why NOT (?) continue to mask up and stay to CDC advice for 2 to 4 more weeks - just to see if cases in the US are headed up or down? You and I and others have done the CDC advice thing for about a year now. The point is to defeat the CV not just give up when so close. Someone said it is like "spiking the football on the 5-yard line when running for a TD"! CV is not BEATEN until it is BEATEN - when the graph approaches ZERO!

Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1925622)

No, a reason a person might want to get the J&J is because it is only a single shot or it is more readily available in their location. For a variety of reasons, it may be problematic for them to get a second shot of Pfizer or Moderna. Suggesting that anyone only get a single shot of the Pfizer or Moderna is silly - you do not know more than the developers and clearly the vaccine is designed to have two shots. I have not heard anyone suggest that the Pfizer or Moderna should be used as a single shot. There have been suggestions that the second shot could be delayed more than 3-4 weeks.

Any comparisons of efficacy between Pfizer/Moderna and J&J, regardless of the number of shots or Pfizer/Moderna, is meaningless. Stating that a single shot of Pfizer/Moderna is more effective than J&J is simply not a valid statement. The definition of a "positive" result during the trials, which was used for the efficacy calculation, was not the same for the trials of Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. Nor was the timeframe of the trials or the populations that were used in the trials or the age profiles of those in the trials or the coronavirus variants that may have been in the populations of the trials. The best anyone can reasonably state is that the two-shot Pfizer and Moderna vaccines appear to be as effective as the single shot J&J in preventing serious disease or death. Health professionals have gone on record as stating that you should make your choice of vaccine based on whichever one you have faster access to.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1925675)

"Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci)"

Where in the world did you read or hear, that Dr. Fauci has any financial stake, in any vaccine?

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1925743)

Why would anyone listen to a person who is a totally wrong spreading completely baseless rumors about a person who has lead the NIAID in the National Institute of Health through both Dem and GOP administrations since 1984, and is considered a world expert on infectious disease and immunoregulation. It scares the Hell out of me when people claim to work in health care, and maybe you do, and might actually be endangering the lives of the patients they see when they are so frighteningly ignorant of how to read the literature and analyze data as you seem to be. The horrible language you use to describe those who have the temerity to believe Fauci and the CDC when is comes to Covid is a huge indictment of your inability to separate your political extremism from facts and you absolutely should not be allowed to interact with any patients until you get serious mental health care or have your meds adjusted.

Show me one damn bit of proof that Fauci has a direct stake in the vaccines, not just that he might own a few shares of stock or that the NIH interacts with pharmaceutical companies, as they always have as part of their job. The vaccines do NOT change your DNA, You are an untrained fool who needs to go back to school if you wrote that and believe that. I expect people who are not versed in how RNA and DNA work to be confused and easily led astray by charlatans but you "work in health care" and attach RN to your screen name. Shame on you. Please tell us where you work so we can report your lack of judgement and lack of education to your employer. And you show a complete lack of compassion for people who disagree with you calling them sheeple, the favorite insult of the farthest of the right wingers in our divided nation.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1925766)

He sure conned Ronald Reagan and George Bush. Reagan used him as an expert on management of HIV and Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He sure conned all the established organizations and universities that have honored him. All those experts in medicine who rely on his contributions to the science of healing are all being conned by Dr. Fauci. Trump was conned by him when he selected him for his Covid team. Who is Dr. Fauci?



But I'm sure your ability to detect skill in a field is so much better than all these organizations. Who is being conned? Maybe it is you.

Originally Posted by Greg Teeters (Post 1925785)

All bow to the great blue ash— knower of all medical knowledge on earth. Beat that horse!!

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1925833)

If the grandparents were fully immune after vaccination, then it was NOT the grandparents that spread Covid. Fully vaccinated people have been found NOT to spread the virus because viral load is too low.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1926309)

Blue ash is a national treasure that we are lucky to have in TV Land. And that is a fact!

Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1926071)

I agree, you SHOULD still have antibodies. But remember, last Spring the "party line" was "we don't know how long the antibodies will last..."

I also had Civid last year. It was very early March...

Didn't even know I had it. I had a low grade fever (99.6°-99.7°) for 36 hours, along with some body aches and chills. No significant cough.

Turns out (thru back tracking), I caught it from a patient, who subsequently died when he refused to go to the ER as I instructed him to do...

I wanted a covid test, but at the time (early March, 2020) I didn't qualify for one...

When the antibody test became available (a few months later), I had blood drawn and low and behold, I was positive for the antibodies.

I had a repeat test in September, then again in November, while doing blood work for another issue (they were still going with "We don't know how long the antibodies will last"). I was positive both times...

I was going to wait on getting the vaccine (so not to take it from someone who really needed it), but after consulting with MY Dr, and doing the research, we decided I should get it, since I was a health care worker (and under 65). First shot (Moderna), was right after the New Year and the 2nd one, 4 weeks later...

My wife was finally able to register (she's not yet 65, either) and is getting the J&J tomorrow... Our main residence is in MD, and the distribution here has been god-awful!

Oh, and she caught Covid from me, back in March of last year and her last antibody test was in December (still positive)...

I wear a mask all day in the office, when requested to by stores, or when in a big crowd. I always have one in my pocket...

Is it a PITA? Yup! Is it the end of the world? Nope! Do I think some of it is overkill? Most certainly...

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1926275)

My response was to another poster and the post I responded to had nothing to do with masking. I was responding that it will not panic me if I'm one of the unlucky ones to contract Covid because the vaccine offers me protection from severe disease. There was no mention of masks between me and the other poster I responded to.

As an aside......I'm still masking all the time indoors and always keep my distance from others. That is not going to last forever for me though.

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1924674)

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html

Originally Posted by Neils (Post 1924685)

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1926723)

As of today, 19 kids of Lake County were admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 this week (and it's only Tuesday). That's out of 97 who were admitted to the ER. There are 15 kids who were admitted to the hospital out of 115 who went to the ER, in Marion County.

And that's just two counties of one state, in a 2-day period.

According to the COVID-19 dashboard for the state of Florida:

Pediatrics:
Cases: 240,618
Admitted to an ER: 8,461 
In-patient admissions to a hospital: 1,561
Pediatric Deaths: 11

That's just Florida, and only since March 1.

What source do you have that claims "no" kids under 12 have gotten sick from COVID-19?

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1925077)

Funny, but Google doesn't either. No hits on a search using "covid positivity rate immigrants brazil variant" The director of FEMA did testify before Congress that the overall positivity rate of southern border immigrants is LOWER than the rate for Texans being tested.
2 weeks ago

The administration admits that testing is a problem and their system is being stressed. But nowhere did I found 10% or any evidence of what you are suggesting. The Federal govt has asked for assistance in testing from the established testing facilities in the states and local communities and offered to full pay the cost for the testing. Some politicians have refused to allow any cooperation.

Do you have any reliable source for your statement? There is a long and very ugly history of nativists to blame disease on immigrants.

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1925602)

The fact is that the vaccines are experimental and we are lab rats to an extent due to the limited testing done and the lack of FDA approval for the vaccines.

Originally Posted by Neils (Post 1924685)

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 1926783)

the safety of the vaccines will not be known for sure until years go by.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1926785)

the mRNA technology has been studied for many years and used to make vaccines against influenza, Ebola and Zika virus.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1926743)

Where did you get that data? It doesn't appear to match with this FL DoH data.

This data shows 237,927 cases in children under 18 which is close to the number above. However it shows 11 deaths in that group since the beginning of Covid, not just since March 1.

The ER numbers above must represent the number of children taken to the ER to see a doctor but not hospitalized since the hospitalization number is far lower. And again, the hospitalization number appears to be since the beginning of Covid and not just since March 1.

EDIT: It is possible that the cumulative report for a period prior to March showed zero deaths which would make the data above correct.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1926916)

Oh you're right, it's total tests to date in Florida. And I got it from the Florida Community Dashboard, which is considered more comprehensive and more accurate than the one published by the Department of Health, which is heavily filtered.

Experience

If you scroll down and click on any of the counties (exactly like you'd do for the DoH dashboard) you can see that in Hillsborough County, as of *this week* (specifically) there were 475 new pediatric cases reported. Of those, 465 were admitted to the emergency room (which doesn't mean it's an actual emergency but many people don't have "regular" doctors and use the ER instead). Of those 465 ER cases, 73 were admitted into the hospital. Two children are dead, as of this week.

Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 1926792)

I question where you get your information from because I could be wrong but I believe mRNA has been studied for years but never used until now .

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1926277)

The beauty of the J&J vaccine is that it is inexpensive compared to Pfizer and Moderna - it needs only NORMAL refrigeration - making it best for areas in the US like some of the less densely populated Native American Tribal areas and remote 3rd world areas.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1925956)

Another wrong statement by you. You did make that up. Why don't you link to sources when you write? Because then it would be so much easier for people to fact check your false statements, or the occasional true one.

Here is what the CDC on its website says about vaccinated people being able to pass it on.


Is that clear enough for you? It does not say that people cannot spread Covid. It says the data is not yet available to make a determination. That's how science works. You collect data before you announce a conclusion. Then you continue to monitor the situation as new data may alter the conclusion. It may even change the advise 180 degrees. But as of April 2, yesterday, the CDC has made absolutely no statement that vaccinated persons cannot spread Covid.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1926948)

Cost is zero... All the vaccines are free. Previous administration ensured that on December 7th. So, affordability is a total non-issue.

Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1924680)

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1926977)

Sorry, what I should have said that a spokesperson for CDC said that once your are vaccinated, you won't pass it on to another.

Sen Paul is a MD and he said you can't transmit the virus to someone else once you are vaccinated.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1926948)

Cost is zero... All the vaccines are free. Previous administration ensured that on December 7th. So, affordability is a total non-issue.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1926980)

Cost is zero to the recipient but someone is paying for these vaccines. I believe our government is paying for these vaccines which in turn means that we tax payers are paying for the vaccines. Every single cent is very well spent!

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1926991)

Agreed, if you can't get it, you can't spread it..

And, with these vaccinated numbers, the spread should thin to nil very soon.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1927368)

I BEG your pardon! That can NOT be taken seriously. Only air and sunlight are REALLY free. You even have to pay for water delivered to your home. The US government is supplying vaccines free of charge to US citizens or others in the US. It comes out of your taxes. And Publix, CVS. Walmart and others are getting PAID to DISTRIBUTE the vaccines by the Federal Government. Do you imagine that the Medical Scientists that developed these vaccines worked for FREE? No way! Was the electricity to cool the 2 shots for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines supplied for FREE? No way! I stated that an advantage of the J&J vaccine was its lower cost compared to other vaccines. That is a fact! I stand by my statement. The J&J shot is one shot and less refrigeration. It has many advantages, as I stated. Thinking that the vaccines are FREE is just WRONG. They were not delivered to the US by storks, like babies. They did NOT just blow in on the air like pollen from trees. There was not a DIVINE INTERVENTION that created vaccines from water. Why do I bother to type stuff like this?

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1927385)

You obviously took this entirely out of context and did not bother to read the original post.

Of course we, the taxpayer, is paying for the vaccine. To say that was a ridiculous comment is to give it too much weight.

However, to say that the poor and/or underpriviledged cannot afford to pay for the vaccination is not correct. THERE IS NO COST TO GET THE VACCINE.

Yeah, WHY do you even post stuff like that? Only you can answer that.....

PLEASE READ THE ORIGINAL COMMENT BEFORE BLASTING OUT NONSENSE!