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OrangeBlossomBaby 04-03-2021 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1925655)
Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple

1. Fauci gets paid whether he's right or wrong. He has nothing to lose by being truthful about what he knows.
2. Being a volunteer librarian in a childrens' hospital makes you a hospital worker, but it doesn't qualify you to know anything about virii, or vaccines.

tvbound 04-03-2021 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1925655)
Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple


"Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci)"

Where in the world did you read or hear, that Dr. Fauci has any financial stake, in any vaccine?

tuccillo 04-03-2021 09:06 AM

A couple of questions:

1) Since you stated that you work in healthcare, presumably for the purpose of attempting to establish yourself as a reliable source of information, it is certainly reasonable for us to know exactly what your position is and your education. Please provide both.

2) Questions about the vaccines, both the mRNA based Pfizer and Modern vaccines and the adenovirus virus based J&J vaccine, impacting DNA have been debunked. Do you have a reputable source to suggest otherwise?

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1925655)
Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple


Spalumbos62 04-03-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1924940)
"I really think that Darwin will weed out those that refuse the vaccine and we'll be left with those that survived."



...I really think that those that have received the vaccine may, at some time in the future, be weeded out by some virus variant because their natural immune system was compromised by the vaccine, and we'll be left with those healthy folks with a robust immune system that did not need, nor want, the vaccine.[/QUOTE]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣......oh, that was a good one.

NHsnow1 04-03-2021 09:25 AM

Fauci needs to remain relevant. This Administration walks all over the CDC statements. They need to speak with one voice so the public has the knowledge to make the best decisions going forward.

Challenger 04-03-2021 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by stephen.q.pankow (Post 1924682)
Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

Yes , I agree, and you can see this attitude in action already. At Home Depot yesterday even some employees were without masks.

Happinow 04-03-2021 09:39 AM

100% agree.

Happinow 04-03-2021 09:41 AM

100% agree. The government is like the IRS......”we are here to help”. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

Happinow 04-03-2021 09:43 AM

Since this is an “experimental vaccine “, who knows what good it does, how long it lasts, if you can get Covid after receiving the shot, or if it works at all?? The lab tests failed on rats....they died, so there’s no proof of anything g yet. That’s why millions of Americans are now the “lab rats”.

GeriS 04-03-2021 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1925385)
I don't know the names of any of the 3,950 people in the study that prompted this thread and therefore I don't know the names of the 44 who became infected after being vaccinated... but they exist.

I'll bet the main stream news does not report about those vaccinated who have gotten it again. I've read many articles that has happened & not just in the US. This is about keeping people scared, out of work & control. Numbers on arms next.

Greg Teeters 04-03-2021 09:55 AM

All I know is you people can sure beat a dead horse to death! Fauci is a con man.

Bill14564 04-03-2021 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1925714)
Since this is an “experimental vaccine “, who knows what good it does, how long it lasts, if you can get Covid after receiving the shot, or if it works at all?? The lab tests failed on rats....they died, so there’s no proof of anything g yet. That’s why millions of Americans are now the “lab rats”.

Who knows? The scientists that created it, the researchers who are studying it, the CDC and FDA who evaluated the data, and anyone who has taken the time to look at the studies, research, evaluations, and data summaries, that's who knows.

Rats have died? I haven't seen that article/report/study but since I'm not a rat I'm not worried about those events. Now, if there were credible reports of the vaccine causing deaths in large numbers of humans, then I would worry.

Another poster said that he/she "bet the main stream news does not report about those vaccinated who have gotten it again." Actually, every time they list the effectiveness at less than 100% they are reporting that there have been some cases in vaccinated people. That's exactly what 72%, 80%, 85%, 90%, 95%, 96% all mean, some number of people have become infected after receiving the vaccine.

blueash 04-03-2021 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1925655)
Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple

Why would anyone listen to a person who is a totally wrong spreading completely baseless rumors about a person who has lead the NIAID in the National Institute of Health through both Dem and GOP administrations since 1984, and is considered a world expert on infectious disease and immunoregulation. It scares the Hell out of me when people claim to work in health care, and maybe you do, and might actually be endangering the lives of the patients they see when they are so frighteningly ignorant of how to read the literature and analyze data as you seem to be. The horrible language you use to describe those who have the temerity to believe Fauci and the CDC when is comes to Covid is a huge indictment of your inability to separate your political extremism from facts and you absolutely should not be allowed to interact with any patients until you get serious mental health care or have your meds adjusted.

Show me one damn bit of proof that Fauci has a direct stake in the vaccines, not just that he might own a few shares of stock or that the NIH interacts with pharmaceutical companies, as they always have as part of their job. The vaccines do NOT change your DNA, You are an untrained fool who needs to go back to school if you wrote that and believe that. I expect people who are not versed in how RNA and DNA work to be confused and easily led astray by charlatans but you "work in health care" and attach RN to your screen name. Shame on you. Please tell us where you work so we can report your lack of judgement and lack of education to your employer. And you show a complete lack of compassion for people who disagree with you calling them sheeple, the favorite insult of the farthest of the right wingers in our divided nation.

Eg_cruz 04-03-2021 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1924799)
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I was (almost) hoping that the Covid vaccine would "leave a mark" on the injection site as vaccines did when we were kids ---evidence.

Then I thought, a little tattoo, not quite as elaborate as this guy's>>> mine would be imprinted on my tongue - so if someone questions me, I stick out my tongue at them. double meaning.
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Maybe you should just get branded.......smh

blueash 04-03-2021 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Teeters (Post 1925724)
All I know is you people can sure beat a dead horse to death! Fauci is a con man.

He sure conned Ronald Reagan and George Bush. Reagan used him as an expert on management of HIV and Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He sure conned all the established organizations and universities that have honored him. All those experts in medicine who rely on his contributions to the science of healing are all being conned by Dr. Fauci. Trump was conned by him when he selected him for his Covid team. Who is Dr. Fauci?

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In a 2020 analysis of Google Scholar citations, Dr. Fauci ranked as the 32nd most-cited living researcher. According to the Web of Science, Dr. Fauci ranked 9th out of 2.5 million authors in the field of immunology by total citation count between 1980 and January 2021. During the same period, he ranked 20th out of 2.4 million authors in the field of research & experimental medicine, and 132th out of 992,000 authors in the field of general & internal medicine.

Dr. Fauci has delivered major lectures all over the world and is the recipient of numerous prestigious awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom (the highest honor given to a civilian by the President of the United States), the National Medal of Science, the George M. Kober Medal of the Association of American Physicians, the Mary Woodard Lasker Award for Public Service, the Albany Medical Center Prize in Medicine and Biomedical Research, the Robert Koch Gold Medal, the Prince Mahidol Award, and the Canada Gairdner Global Health Award. He also has received 45 honorary doctoral degrees from universities in the United States and abroad.

Dr. Fauci is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Medicine, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the American Philosophical Society, as well as other professional societies including the American College of Physicians, the American Society for Clinical Investigation, the Association of American Physicians, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the American Association of Immunologists, and the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology. He serves on the editorial boards of many scientific journals; as an editor of Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine; and as author, coauthor, or editor of more than 1,300 scientific publications, including several textbooks.
But I'm sure your ability to detect skill in a field is so much better than all these organizations. Who is being conned? Maybe it is you.

scottiesrgreat@gmail.com 04-03-2021 11:24 AM

I am amazes how many “experts” we have on this list.

I wear a mask and have gotten the vaccine - but - I TOTALLY SUPPORT (repeat - SUPPORT) any business with employees or patrons NOT wearing masks! I wear a mask - BUT I am NOT - repeat NOT - afraid of anyone NOT wearing a mask. I don’t care who has received or not received the vaccine.

blueash 04-03-2021 11:59 AM

Who wrote these words:

"I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. ... What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper"

What nurse refers to her mask as a face diaper? Does she refuse to wear a mask when she enters a room of a cancer patient whose immune system is compromised? Does she refuse to wear a "face diaper" in an OR? Is this a person with the calm demeanor you'd want in your health care provider? Is her experience that no nurses have been willing to take the Covid vaccine at all an accurate representation of the nursing profession which her post is trying to tell you it is?

Let's examine that question. Do nurses nearly 100% reject Covid vaccines? My SIL is a nurse, got the vaccine, two of my daughters are nurses, both got the vaccine. A KFF poll reported 2 weeks ago based on interviews from Feb 11 to Mar 7, that "seven in ten (68%) of those responsible for patient diagnosis and treatment like a doctor or a nurse report receiving a COVID-19 vaccine," I am sure that the number is higher now as more vaccines have been administered. "The unvaccinated group of frontline health care workers includes some who either have their vaccination scheduled (3%) or plan to get vaccinated but haven’t scheduled it yet (15%)."

So obviously the RN who wrote that gem doesn't represent her colleagues or fairly state the acceptance rate of vaccination of nurses. Don't listen to her [dms4rn] when she overgeneralizes or offers far out opinions as if she is authoritative on the subject.

Greg Teeters 04-03-2021 12:10 PM

All bow to the great blue ash— knower of all medical knowledge on earth. Beat that horse!!

graciegirl 04-03-2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1925464)
I can tell you for sure it's not on the Villages Charter Schools website. In fact, the ONLY reference to COVID-19 that I could find, was WAYYYYYYYY at the bottom of the "news" section of the site, all the way at the end, sandwiched within a list of links to random documents. It was just two PDF files from the state department of education, the most recent being a waiver of strict controls over re-opening the schools.

So much for the Villages caring about...

anyone at all.

If they really cared there would be a banner at the top of every single Charter School webpage,
that contained a hyperlink to "current COVID policy" of the schools and a phone number to call in case you think your child might be infected, and any current or recent quarantines.

Actually it is on the front page EVERY DAY of The Daily Sun. The bottom FOURTH of the entire front page...every day. EVERY day......titled each day; Coronavirus, What's happening with Vaccination Efforts.

blueash 04-03-2021 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1925153)

My entire family has Covid in January (we found out via antibody tests in April when the tests frst came out)

Well, an antibody test that is positive also is a Covid-19 indicator. We tested monthly, so I have, myself contributed 12 positives to the counter personally, and my family nearly 50 positives...even though Covid tests are negative...

Now what will be interesting is if I have an actual positive Covid test, now that I am vaccinated as well.

I don't understand your experience. If in April 2020 you have a test showing you had antibodies to Covid possibly related to your illness in Jan 2020 then in April 2020 you had your answer. You likely had Covid. Why would you have had any further tests done? If you had Covid antibodies in April 2020 you would have them still in May and June and July etc for some time. Unless you were in a study to determine duration of antibodies there was no clinical reason to test you or any other members of your family that also had antibodies. There also was no reason to be doing nasal swabs on you unless you had new Covid symptoms or had a need to be tested for travel or contact tracing.

I also don't understand the last sentence... "if I have an actual positive Covid test" I thought you wrote you had already had 12 positive tests, were those actual tests?

tvbound 04-03-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1925743)
Why would anyone listen to a person who is a totally wrong spreading completely baseless rumors about a person who has lead the NIAID in the National Institute of Health through both Dem and GOP administrations since 1984, and is considered a world expert on infectious disease and immunoregulation. It scares the Hell out of me when people claim to work in health care, and maybe you do, and might actually be endangering the lives of the patients they see when they are so frighteningly ignorant of how to read the literature and analyze data as you seem to be. The horrible language you use to describe those who have the temerity to believe Fauci and the CDC when is comes to Covid is a huge indictment of your inability to separate your political extremism from facts and you absolutely should not be allowed to interact with any patients until you get serious mental health care or have your meds adjusted.

Show me one damn bit of proof that Fauci has a direct stake in the vaccines, not just that he might own a few shares of stock or that the NIH interacts with pharmaceutical companies, as they always have as part of their job. The vaccines do NOT change your DNA, You are an untrained fool who needs to go back to school if you wrote that and believe that. I expect people who are not versed in how RNA and DNA work to be confused and easily led astray by charlatans but you "work in health care" and attach RN to your screen name. Shame on you. Please tell us where you work so we can report your lack of judgement and lack of education to your employer. And you show a complete lack of compassion for people who disagree with you calling them sheeple, the favorite insult of the farthest of the right wingers in our divided nation.

"spreading completely baseless rumors about a person who has lead the NIAID in the National Institute of Health through both Dem and GOP administrations since 1984, and is considered a world expert on infectious disease and immunoregulation."


It's obvious as to the primary impetus behind the criticism and denigration of Dr. Fauci and it has nothing to do with his credentials or expertise - which are impeccable.

coffeebean 04-03-2021 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1925655)
Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple

Do you really believe that? It is NOT TRUE that the mRNA vaccines interact with DNA. It says so, right here......

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

You working in health care means nothing to me if you buy into these damn conspiracy theories.

coffeebean 04-03-2021 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1925656)
I literally just saw that the virus surge is up 230% in kids under 12.

Its so difficult, we all should mask until......?
The surge to the little ones is probably from all the grand parents that thought they were safe to visit. 🤷*♀️

If the grandparents were fully immune after vaccination, then it was NOT the grandparents that spread Covid. Fully vaccinated people have been found NOT to spread the virus because viral load is too low.

Byte1 04-03-2021 02:01 PM

I don't and haven't seen anyone on here commenting on how efficient any of the past and present flu vaccines have/are. Go ahead and tell me how much more dangerous COVID is in comparison, so the flu doesnt' matter to you. You can analyze the COVID vaccines all you want, but the FACT is that it is one of the best vaccines so far. No one worries about the THOUSANDS of flu related deaths per year.
Here's some points for you:
COVID deaths are down
Each COVID test is being counted as a new infection, therefore we should not be even counting them; instead we should rely on hospitalizations (loosely) and deaths by COVID (also being counted loosely).
CDC says that once we are vaccinated we won't pass it on to anyone else. Hey, I didn't make that up, they did.
There is absolutely no legitimate reason for wearing a mask after you are vaccinated. If you wish to wear one, because you are ugly, I will endorse the idea.
Consider this: Do you REALLY wish to wear a mask for the rest of your lives? Because there will NEVER, ever be a day in your future where there is not some danger of contagion.
Just because some political hacks tell you to wear a mask to be "patriot" are you going to believe their word? Or, are you intelligent enough to smell BS when someone is serving it to you?
I agree that masks have an element of protection. Not much, but probably as much as sneezing on your shirt sleeve. But, I do not see these worn out and used over and over again homemade masks as being much help. But, they can be a cause of you getting it when you might not have been infected if you had not worn the same mask over and over again.

Wear you masks, wash your hands, and maintain your distance....and be good little gov drones. Some of us are going to live, while many are going to die of high blood pressure from isolation, loneliness, hysteria and panic. Some of you are going to be miserable as you are being dragged, clawing and screaming to your grave. You go ahead and live your long and miserable lives, while the rest of us live dangerously by socializing (oh my) and not wearing our masks after being vaccinated. Please DO stay home, because the roads in The Villages are way too busy with bad drivers. I enjoy getting into a restaurant without standing in line. I might have a shorter life than you (maybe or maybe not) but at least I am going to enjoy what I have left....probably 20+ years. You may live as long, but hiding in your basement like H.G. Wells "Morlocks" is not going to make very many envious of you, that's for sure.
How many on here hid under your desks during an air raid drill, thinking that you would survive a nuclear attack?

I hear that the CDC is ramping up with propaganda to "suggest" wearing your masks during flu season. They know that this COVID thing will only last so long. Good luck.

Byte1 04-03-2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1925176)
Lordy lordy. How can you not be aware of the many many reports of fully immunized people getting Covid. The very fact that the vaccine efficacy is NOT 100% tells you that in the licensing studies there were breakthrough cases.

Let's see what FoxNews has to say on this subject

Can I still spread the coronavirus after I'''m vaccinated? | Fox News

Their answer is yes you can including this piece of FoxNews advice:

Sorry but "they said" does not equate to Proof.

Joe V. 04-03-2021 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1925835)
How many on here hid under your desks during an air raid drill, thinking that you would survive a nuclear attack?

Even at 8 years old we all knew that ducking under that little wooden desk was a cruel joke.

jimjamuser 04-03-2021 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1924979)
That's because you are being lied to and intentionally misled.

Cliff notes:

Fully vaccinated people are contracting COVID-19; Fauci is "taking it seriously"; many breakthrough cases right here in central Florida; growing number of people getting COVID-19 who have been FULLY vaccinated; will have to continue social distancing and wearing masks (LOL - what is the vaccine for again?).

Hanna Rewerts (healthcare worker) regarding the vaccines: "I don't think the public is aware that it doesn't mean you're not getting the virus ... and it doesn't mean you're not getting sick".

Pfizer & Moderna vaccines are 95% effective (but not for the variants); those vaccinated have destroyed their innate immune system and are greatly vulnerable to the variants; much more vulnerable than those who are not taking these shots. This is what happens when people ignore real scientists and prefer to listen to political hacks (Fauci).

FACT: Everyone will eventually be exposed to the virus; that is inevitable. Those who relied on their innate immune system will have a robust defense against COVID-19 and all the variants (which, by the way, are primarily caused by mass vaccinations). Those who took Moderna & Pfizer shots (but not J&J and AstraZeneca) are 95% protected from the SINGULAR original COVID-19 for which their cells were hijacked to make that SINGULAR spike protein. When exposed to the many variants multiplying daily, their bodies will simply not be able to defend from them.

I think for breakfast, I am going to go have an orange (Vitamin C), and some yogurt topped with pumpkin seeds (Zinc) and maybe a couple of Brazil nuts (Selenium) ... then go sit outside in the sun for 10-15 minutes making Vitamin D out of cholesterol. That's all my immune system needs; yours too (if you haven't had Moderna / Pfizer).

After all the variants demonstrate the foolishness of this mass vaccination experiment, it's those of us who did NOT get vaccinated that will be given "passports" for cruising / travel / etc. Vaccinated people will be the ones susceptible to ... getting sick from ... and contagious with ... the multiple variants.

Masks on everyone.

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated - YouTube

And they can't be sued for anything related to these vaccines

Why Pfizer And Moderna Can't Be Sued For Covid Vaccine Side Effects - YouTube

Lots of errors and strangeness.

jimjamuser 04-03-2021 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1924999)
And their own immune systems can't protect them from the variants as it has been compromised by the Moderna / Pfizer vaccines. Those who took the J&J / Astra Zeneca vaccines (or no vaccine) still have a chance to protect, boost and rely upon their own immune systems for the tsunami of variants heading our way. Don't be a lemming.

Why the anti-science sales pitch? Too much Qanon in someone's media habits?

jimjamuser 04-03-2021 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1925013)
Agreed. Even with the extremely slight possibility of contracting the virus after vaccination, there are less than 10 worldwide that have died after inoculation. Nearly every positive Covid test after inoculation was the result of someone having the test down for another reason than symptoms.

We can can only contribute our part to herd immunity by getting the vaccine. Those who decline must be responsible for their own health. We should not be forced to change our lifestyle or comfort for those who decline to do so.

The world and society are interconnected. We do NOT live on the frontier anymore.

Aloha1 04-03-2021 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1925371)
Some few people have become infected with Covid after being vaccinated. That is what the report that prompted this thread was all about.

There was no mention of variants in that particular report.

Correct, so the poster was wrong. Also there is doubt that those who contracted it had gone through the necessary 2 weeks after the second dose for max immunity.

jimjamuser 04-03-2021 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1925148)
The graphs fail to show reality. The graphs are based on the amount of positive test results, not how many NEW infected. If one person shows a positive result, then that person returns over and over again for testing until they show a negative result. Each one of those test results are counted as an additional infected. The test results and the reporting system are both flawed.

In Florida, the problem is undercounted CV cases and hospitalizations, not overcounted cases.

jimjamuser 04-03-2021 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1925166)
I've been inoculated and that's about as far as I go at this point in time. I do not wear my mask unless a business requires it. Sorry, but your fear mongering does not effect me. If you are scared, then stay home, period. The death rate is receding, and now someone has decided that we have to have a new boogieman, such as a new variant of the old. I am not going to become a pin cushion to make others feel all "warm and fuzzy." I have never had the flu and do not get the flu shot. If I do get the flu in the future, I probably won't get the shot at my age. I do not care what you do and encourage you to do what you feel is right for YOU. Do not presume to shame me into doing what you deem appropriate for my life, meaning that it is actually for YOUR life. Do not ever think that saying someone is not being "patriotic" like a certain clown on TV recently said, is going to effect me. After you have walked in my shoes, you can determine whether or not I am not a "patriot." If you believe everything that the gov tells you to be factual and true, then you should go ahead and line up for every vaccination available.
If you wish to criticize me, I will be the one NOT wearing a mask in public or wearing a window screen mask in stores requiring the wearing of a mask. If you have a problem with that, then stay away from me. "Selfish?" I am not the one demanding that others conform to my standards and whims. You do what you wish to do and stay your distance from me. I am more worried about catching your "stupid" than catching a flu or virus.

Nice to know that some people have evolved to the "beyond shaming" higher level. And nice to know that government is such a boogie-man - the great Greek and Roman civilizations must have been mis-evolvements of the society of their times - as ours is in modern times. And it MUST be true that there is a whole Pandemic of "stupid" going around!

jimjamuser 04-03-2021 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pachine58 (Post 1925306)
Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

There is no truth or helpful information there?????

bpascani 04-03-2021 07:36 PM

It is my understanding that, even having had the 'shots', you can still transmit the virus, if you are not diligent about washing hands, if you get a "cold', etc. You can even get Covid, BUT, if you do, your case will be milder... SO, if that is the case, YES, you can transmit, either by having 'dirty' hands, clothes,etc...OR having the virus (very mild case), and don't realize it. SO, having already having both. I can't WAIT to see my grandkids after 15+ months, BUT, here in TV, I will wear a mask, wash hands frequently, maintain social distancing when around others that I don't know. BUT, I will be going out and about!!

blueash 04-03-2021 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash
Lordy lordy. How can you not be aware of the many many reports of fully immunized people getting Covid. The very fact that the vaccine efficacy is NOT 100% tells you that in the licensing studies there were breakthrough cases.

Let's see what FoxNews has to say on this subject

Can I still spread the coronavirus after I'''m vaccinated? | Fox News

Their answer is yes you can including this piece of FoxNews advice:

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1925836)
Sorry but "they said" does not equate to Proof.

You did click on the links didn't you?

Please tell me what would constitute proof that you would accept? Would the original drug testing of the vaccines showing breakthrough cases be proof? Would first person news reports from people who were immunized and got Covid later be proof? Would articles in the world's most important journals like the New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, Jama be proof? What are you willing to read with a slightly open mind that would convince you that it really is true, completely unequivocally true that people can complete their vaccines plus two weeks and still get Covid ?

If you tell me that nothing will change your mind about the topic while I find that sad that someone could be so closed minded and unwilling to learn from evidence that a belief they held was wrong, I can accept that there are such people in the world and move on.

stanley 04-03-2021 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1925918)
In Florida, the problem is undercounted CV cases and hospitalizations, not overcounted cases.

Proof?

blueash 04-03-2021 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1925835)
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CDC says that once we are vaccinated we won't pass it on to anyone else. Hey, I didn't make that up, they did.

Another wrong statement by you. You did make that up. Why don't you link to sources when you write? Because then it would be so much easier for people to fact check your false statements, or the occasional true one.

Here is what the CDC on its website says about vaccinated people being able to pass it on.
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When You’ve Been Fully Vaccinated
How to Protect Yourself and Others

Updated Apr. 2, 2021

We’re still learning how vaccines will affect the spread of COVID-19. After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions – like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces – in public places until we know more.

We’re still learning how well COVID-19 vaccines keep people from spreading the disease.
Is that clear enough for you? It does not say that people cannot spread Covid. It says the data is not yet available to make a determination. That's how science works. You collect data before you announce a conclusion. Then you continue to monitor the situation as new data may alter the conclusion. It may even change the advise 180 degrees. But as of April 2, yesterday, the CDC has made absolutely no statement that vaccinated persons cannot spread Covid.

Hifred 04-03-2021 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stephen.q.pankow (Post 1924682)
Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

No this is not the reason. There is no vaccine that is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines in various research shows an approximate rate of 90% effective. That means out of 100 people about 10 are not going to be protected by the vaccine. What makes a vaccine protect all people is when everyone is vaccinated even if you are in the 10 that the vaccine does not work for no one around you will have the illness and therefore you don't get it. Even though today everyone for the most part gets vaccinated for the measles. But you will hear from time to time of outbreaks of measles caused by there being some who don't get the vaccine and spread it to some for whom the vaccine is not effective. Everyone vaccinated or not needs to continue to wear a mask!!! Wash hands!!! until the virus is under control.

JMintzer 04-04-2021 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1925793)
I don't understand your experience. If in April 2020 you have a test showing you had antibodies to Covid possibly related to your illness in Jan 2020 then in April 2020 you had your answer. You likely had Covid. Why would you have had any further tests done? If you had Covid antibodies in April 2020 you would have them still in May and June and July etc for some time. Unless you were in a study to determine duration of antibodies there was no clinical reason to test you or any other members of your family that also had antibodies. There also was no reason to be doing nasal swabs on you unless you had new Covid symptoms or had a need to be tested for travel or contact tracing.

I also don't understand the last sentence... "if I have an actual positive Covid test" I thought you wrote you had already had 12 positive tests, were those actual tests?

I agree, you SHOULD still have antibodies. But remember, last Spring the "party line" was "we don't know how long the antibodies will last..."

I also had Civid last year. It was very early March...

Didn't even know I had it. I had a low grade fever (99.6°-99.7°) for 36 hours, along with some body aches and chills. No significant cough.

Turns out (thru back tracking), I caught it from a patient, who subsequently died when he refused to go to the ER as I instructed him to do...

I wanted a covid test, but at the time (early March, 2020) I didn't qualify for one...

When the antibody test became available (a few months later), I had blood drawn and low and behold, I was positive for the antibodies.

I had a repeat test in September, then again in November, while doing blood work for another issue (they were still going with "We don't know how long the antibodies will last"). I was positive both times...

I was going to wait on getting the vaccine (so not to take it from someone who really needed it), but after consulting with MY Dr, and doing the research, we decided I should get it, since I was a health care worker (and under 65). First shot (Moderna), was right after the New Year and the 2nd one, 4 weeks later...

My wife was finally able to register (she's not yet 65, either) and is getting the J&J tomorrow... Our main residence is in MD, and the distribution here has been god-awful!

Oh, and she caught Covid from me, back in March of last year and her last antibody test was in December (still positive)...

I wear a mask all day in the office, when requested to by stores, or when in a big crowd. I always have one in my pocket...

Is it a PITA? Yup! Is it the end of the world? Nope! Do I think some of it is overkill? Most certainly...

Justus 04-04-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1925375)
Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Spot on! Control of the masses. What will come next, once this mechanism has outlived its usefulness...


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