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coffeebean 04-02-2021 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1925168)
OK, it is a bit of a slippery slope. There are definitely a few people that have tested positive for Covid post-vaccination. However, the real questions should not be who tested positive, but who actually caught an active, debilitating Covid infection. Which is virtually NIL.

So my theory, probably flawed, is that these are either false positives, with no symptoms whatsoever, or they are the ones in at 4% group that the vaccine did not take. If that is the case, who's to know?

The vaccine 'takes' on 96% or so of all people. So 4% are effectively not vaccinated, even though they got the shot.

Remember the scar on the shoulder? That's how you proved you were vaccinated and the vaccine 'took'. I don't have the scar and I got the vaccine every year because they always thought I never had it.

What is interesting is that I read a study where they were testing using multiple versions of the vaccines (mix or match). Maybe that is the key to getting closer to 100% ?

Essentially, to your challenge - nobody can prove it. Nobody. Because as long as the vaccine is not 100% effective, we have zero chance of knowing if the person who got Covid actually had the vaccine 'take'.
This is not my understanding. The unlucky small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated and do contract Covid actually are protected from having moderate to severe symptoms and are also protected from being hospitalized. That small percentage of people have protection when you consider they will not be hospitalized and die. This is what the efficacy has shown from the trials.

coffeebean 04-02-2021 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1925185)
Correct - we know that 4% of the people who receive the vaccine are not actually vaccinated. The comment 'fully vaccinated' means that they had both shots.

The article also states that this is perfectly normal in ALL vaccines.
Of course they are fully vaccinated if they received both shots. The efficacy is not 100% and yes, there is a small percentage of people who will contract Covid. BUT.......those folks who do, in fact, contract Covid ARE STILL PROTECTED from moderate to severe Covid symptoms; they are also protected from hospitalization and they are protected from death at a rate of 100% in the trials. How can they be considered "not actually vaccinated"??? That boggles my mind.

coffeebean 04-02-2021 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sloanst (Post 1925201)
The huge majority of us have been vaccinated for Polio, small pox, diphtheria, typhoid fever and many other diseases. Did we have to wear masks then? The answer to that question should tell you all you need to know.
NONE of the communicable diseases you mentioned in your post are transmitted via droplets or aerosols, so, no masking is necessary to prevent the transmission of these diseases.

Look up how those diseases are transmitted. I did.

coffeebean 04-02-2021 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1925225)
I believe it is more accurate to say that everyone who has had both shots will experience a small probability that the vaccine will not protect them against asymptomatic infection or infection with mild symptoms. The vaccine appears to be drive the probability of severe disease or death to near zero for everyone who has had both shots. Of course, with J&J it is one shot.
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have a higher efficacy (80%) after their first shot than the "one and done" J&J vaccine. You can consider the mRNA vaccines as "one and done" if you only get one shot and still have a better efficacy than J&J.

coffeebean 04-02-2021 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1925279)
Unfortunately wearing a mask became “political” early on in the pandemic. That said, you will likely see people wearing masks during the flu season long after the pandemic has been put to rest. I’ve got use to a mask and personally don’t see it any more an issue than wearing a seatbelt. I remember how people resisted wearing them. According to Google it is estimated 90.7% of adults now use seatbelts. Not required in New Hampshire.
Seriously? No way in hell is that going to happen when this pandemic is long gone and well behind us.

coffeebean 04-02-2021 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pachine58 (Post 1925306)
Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.
Masks do not stop the virus BUT masks do block droplets and aerosols that carry the virus. The virus is minuscule vs the size of droplets and aerosols. One average size droplet carries thousands of virus particles.

coffeebean 04-02-2021 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1925380)
Your proof?? Only verified medical sites please.
This is just one. There are PLENTY more.....

Former Stanford colleagues warn Dr. Scott Atlas fosters '''falsehoods and misrepresentations of science''' - ABC News

This QUACK advocates natural herd immunity for our population. Need I say more??????

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-02-2021 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1925375)
Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.
I'm going to take a guess that you know thousands of people. You might not be friends with them all. Former employers, former schoolmates, old teachers, old neighbors, current neighbors, the check-out clerk at the supermarket, the bartender who makes your drink at the restaurant you frequent, etc. etc. Current friends, your immediate family, all your cousins, nieces/nephews, aunts, uncles, siblings, their spouses, your spouse's family, your kids, THEIR spouses, THEIR kids, etc. etc.

So I'm going to also guess that at least 100 of these people have contracted COVID-19, some time between January 2020 and today.

Do you know what that means?




It means at least one of those people you know is dead.


But that's okay since that dead person is only the 1%, right?

terrild53 04-02-2021 08:47 PM
Wearing masks & other suggested Covid prevention measures are still suggested even if vaccinated because there are variants of the virus infecting people and it is possible to get infected with one of the variants. That’s the long story short.

Pairadocs 04-02-2021 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1925402)
An entire 3rd grade class at The Villages Charter School is under QUARANTINE. They are 10-year-olds.
Don't doubt it at all, but just curious, how did you find out, was it in the Daily Sun ? Curious because our only newspaper "seems to me ?"" does one lousy job of keeping us informed for the sake of safety. Just my opinion. Sad when one can't depend on our own local (looking after the best interests of its citizens as it should) newspaper can't be counted on !

coffeebean 04-02-2021 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1925405)
Well, do you know if you are in the 90% group or the 10% group? That is the question! Want to risk it?
It doesn't panic me if I am in the 10% group because I know I will not have moderate or severe symptoms or be hospitalized and die from Covid. That is the protection I believe I have and that has made me feel safe from dying of Covid.

tuccillo 04-02-2021 08:53 PM
The differences are small. Certainly not enough to worry about. The probability differences between being vaccinated and not being vaccinated is much greater than the differences in vaccines, either with one or two doses of Pfizer or Moderna compared with J&J.

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1925437)
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have a higher efficacy (80%) after their first shot than the "one and done" J&J vaccine. You can consider the mRNA vaccines as "one and done" if you only get one shot and still have a better efficacy than J&J.

coffeebean 04-02-2021 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1925452)
The differences are small. Certainly not enough to worry about.
I think you may have missed my point.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-02-2021 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1925449)
Don't doubt it at all, but just curious, how did you find out, was it in the Daily Sun ? Curious because our only newspaper "seems to me ?"" does one lousy job of keeping us informed for the sake of safety. Just my opinion. Sad when one can't depend on our own local (looking after the best interests of its citizens as it should) newspaper can't be counted on !
Their newspaper doesn't exist to look out for the best interests of its citizens. Their newspaper exists as a vehicle to provide advertising for new homes to potential buyers and to promote the Villages. That's why the spin on the "impact fee TAX ON BUSINESSES" that isn't a tax on businesses at all. It's propaganda. If it's an "article" you can be 100% confident it's being spun to promote the Villages, even if it's loaded with half-truths, exaggerations, misdirection, deflection, and out and out lies. If it's a fluff piece, it's probably true, and missing any and all possible "downsides" to the topic, whatever it is.

The Daily Sun takes a very myopic view of the world. It reflects the "bubble" in which we all choose to live.

tuccillo 04-02-2021 09:08 PM
OK, fine, tell me what your point is.

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1925458)
I think you may have missed my point.

Tblue 04-02-2021 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1925440)
Masks do not stop the virus BUT masks do block droplets and aerosols that carry the virus. The virus is minuscule vs the size of droplets and aerosols. One average size droplet carries thousands of virus particles.
Any idea what percent of the virus is attached to the moisture droplets? Any idea what percent of moisture droplets escape around a mask? I wore a mask in the operating room for around 38 years and had to tape the mask to the bridge of my nose to prevent my glasses from fogging. The fogging due to my breath. Not to mention moisture droplets that escape around the sides or bottom of the mask. OK trapping some of the virus in the mask is a very good thing, no argument there,
but what happens when you are done with the mask, most just place it in their purse, pocket or console of the car to be re-used over and over. Sorry I don’t have much faith in non N-95 masks that are properly fitted. Re-used masks could spread the virus and who uses a new properly fitted mask every time?

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-02-2021 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1925449)
Don't doubt it at all, but just curious, how did you find out, was it in the Daily Sun ? Curious because our only newspaper "seems to me ?"" does one lousy job of keeping us informed for the sake of safety. Just my opinion. Sad when one can't depend on our own local (looking after the best interests of its citizens as it should) newspaper can't be counted on !
I can tell you for sure it's not on the Villages Charter Schools website. In fact, the ONLY reference to COVID-19 that I could find, was WAYYYYYYYY at the bottom of the "news" section of the site, all the way at the end, sandwiched within a list of links to random documents. It was just two PDF files from the state department of education, the most recent being a waiver of strict controls over re-opening the schools.

So much for the Villages caring about...

anyone at all.

If they really cared there would be a banner at the top of every single Charter School webpage, that contained a hyperlink to "current COVID policy" of the schools and a phone number to call in case you think your child might be infected, and any current or recent quarantines.

mlmarr1 04-03-2021 05:22 AM
Control....all about control
Not in my watch..

mrf6969 04-03-2021 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1924688)
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nope - the question is - if one is fully vaccinated (as we are) and two weeks after SCIENCE shows what SHE said...

Why are WE (such as I believe that almost 50% of TVrs vaccinated now) told to wear masks, avoid travel, 6' distance and all the other stuff? Oh - perhaps to show "our patriotism" as someone says all the time...


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It is because they still want to control us....The goal posts will just keep on a moving....

Tmarkwald 04-03-2021 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1925353)
Spot on...the lab animals died from this experimental vaccine. It’s just that...an experiment and we are the labs rats this time around....at least many are. Those who have done their homework know not to get it.
And you are responding to someone else quoting misinformation?

That kind of an attitude results in fatalities. Please cease and desist with the fake news.

And those that have done their homework - over 56million in the US so far, are doing just fine without those conspiracy theory comments..

And, please quote sources if you make wild and outlandish claims ...

Tmarkwald 04-03-2021 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by petiteone (Post 1925366)
Vaccinated individuals could still get COVID from unvaccinated people spreading it.
No they cannot.

Anyone who has been fully vaccinated and is not in that 4% group, cannot get, or give, the virus at all.

But nobody knows who is in that 4% group..

Tmarkwald 04-03-2021 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1925385)
I don't know the names of any of the 3,950 people in the study that prompted this thread and therefore I don't know the names of the 44 who became infected after being vaccinated... but they exist.
Nobody on here does, for sure. But 44 out of the possible 158 means that nearly a third of the vulnerable got infected.

That is why we get vaccinated - to keep that number low.

158 is 4% of the total, and the expected number where the vaccine is ineffective...

Tmarkwald 04-03-2021 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1925429)
Not true!

huh?

scottiesrgreat@gmail.com 04-03-2021 06:53 AM
Amazing! We have so many epidemiologists on this site! Cool!

Hmmmm...... I think the original post asked something about why Fauci was saying everyone should just wear a mask even after fully vaccinated?

Fauci should have never ever been assigned to this in the first place....... and history will show what a mistake it was to appoint and retain someone like this to this problem - when we have so many wonderful experts and thought-leaders in premier institutions around the world - current and practicing experts that are so much better at communicating and fostering trust......

Seriously, if I was in charge - I would have never appointed or retained him - and I doubt if I would have even considered consulting him - especially with his conflicting advice. Why do people and leaders think he is the ‘end all’ and ‘know all’? Heck - I wouldn’t even want his advice if he made a house call for no charge. If he is the one and only expert on the face of the earth ..... we are doomed - and getting a vaccine or wearing masks really will make no difference.

Beyond The Wall 04-03-2021 07:03 AM
If you add in the people who already were sick from the WuFlu, those who had it and didn’t get sick, those who naturally fight it off, % of people who are carriers drops dramatically. It’s over control freaks.

BigHoss18 04-03-2021 07:05 AM
Maintain public fear and control! Period.

Gunny2403 04-03-2021 07:07 AM
Rochelle is out of her league.

Girlcopper 04-03-2021 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1924674)
I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html
Because no one knows who is vaccinated and who isnt. We dont wear signs around our neck. Plus, just because youre vaccinated doesnt mean you cant get the virus or be a carrier. It just means you will get a milder case. Just wear your mask and distance as required and it saves all the debating about it

taruffi57 04-03-2021 07:32 AM
Just follow Dr. Fauci. He'll straighten it all out for you.............

Pat2015 04-03-2021 07:45 AM
90% of the population being vaccinated is never going to happen.

Pat2015 04-03-2021 07:54 AM
That’s not fake news. The fact is that the vaccines are experimental and we are lab rats to an extent due to the limited testing done and the lack of FDA approval for the vaccines. Personal choice as to whether or not to get vaccinated, and those who choose not to get vaccinated point to the lack of data testing and long term effects. That’s their choice.

coffeebean 04-03-2021 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1925462)
OK, fine, tell me what your point is.
My point is that the J&J is being touted as the "one and done" vaccine. OK, I get that BUT.......the Moderna and Pfizer can ALSO BE ONE AND DONE vaccines and they STILL have a better efficacies than the J&J vaccine and only one shot.

The only reason that I can see for anyone to get the J&J vaccine is if that person is leery of the mRNA technology of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. As for J&J being the "one and done" vaccine, that should not be a part of the equation because the Moderna and Pfizer can also be one and done with a BETTER efficacy than the J&J.

Hope that makes my point clearer.

coffeebean 04-03-2021 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tblue (Post 1925463)
Any idea what percent of the virus is attached to the moisture droplets? Any idea what percent of moisture droplets escape around a mask? I wore a mask in the operating room for around 38 years and had to tape the mask to the bridge of my nose to prevent my glasses from fogging. The fogging due to my breath. Not to mention moisture droplets that escape around the sides or bottom of the mask. OK trapping some of the virus in the mask is a very good thing, no argument there,
but what happens when you are done with the mask, most just place it in their purse, pocket or console of the car to be re-used over and over. Sorry I don’t have much faith in non N-95 masks that are properly fitted. Re-used masks could spread the virus and who uses a new properly fitted mask every time?
I see your point but a mask is still better than no mask no matter how you slice it. BTW, my mask never fogs my glasses and I do not wear an N95 mask. It is up to the person who is doing the best they can to keep their germs to themselves to wear a mask that does not have gaps all over the place. It is also mindful of people to wear their mask properly over their nose and mouth. Leaving the nose exposed when wearing a mask is like thumbing their nose at the world. Why bother?

All my opinion, of course.

coffeebean 04-03-2021 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1925525)
And you are responding to someone else quoting misinformation?

That kind of an attitude results in fatalities. Please cease and desist with the fake news.

And those that have done their homework - over 56million in the US so far, are doing just fine without those conspiracy theory comments..

And, please quote sources if you make wild and outlandish claims ...
Lab animals dying from experiments? Well, isn't that what lab animals are for? They are the true guinea pigs. It doesn't bother me in the least if lab animals were harmed or died during experiments to develop any medication or vaccine. That is their job. PETA will probably hate me for saying that but it is true.

Let the lab animals die in development of life saving medications and vaccines so human beings can LIVE. That is the order of life as I see it.

coffeebean 04-03-2021 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1925538)
Nobody on here does, for sure. But 44 out of the possible 158 means that nearly a third of the vulnerable got infected.

That is why we get vaccinated - to keep that number low.

158 is 4% of the total, and the expected number where the vaccine is ineffective...
But, that 158 that did contract Covid after being fully vaccinated did not experience severe symptoms and require hospitalization and did not die. That is my understanding of the efficacy rating of 94% with Moderna and 95% with Pfizer in the trials.

Am I understanding those efficacy ratings incorrectly?

tuccillo 04-03-2021 08:20 AM
No, a reason a person might want to get the J&J is because it is only a single shot or it is more readily available in their location. For a variety of reasons, it may be problematic for them to get a second shot of Pfizer or Moderna. Suggesting that anyone only get a single shot of the Pfizer or Moderna is silly - you do not know more than the developers and clearly the vaccine is designed to have two shots. I have not heard anyone suggest that the Pfizer or Moderna should be used as a single shot. There have been suggestions that the second shot could be delayed more than 3-4 weeks.

Any comparisons of efficacy between Pfizer/Moderna and J&J, regardless of the number of shots or Pfizer/Moderna, is meaningless. Stating that a single shot of Pfizer/Moderna is more effective than J&J is simply not a valid statement. The definition of a "positive" result during the trials, which was used for the efficacy calculation, was not the same for the trials of Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. Nor was the timeframe of the trials or the populations that were used in the trials or the age profiles of those in the trials or the coronavirus variants that may have been in the populations of the trials. The best anyone can reasonably state is that the two-shot Pfizer and Moderna vaccines appear to be as effective as the single shot J&J in preventing serious disease or death. Health professionals have gone on record as stating that you should make your choice of vaccine based on whichever one you have faster access to.

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1925606)
My point is that the J&J is being touted as the "one and done" vaccine. OK, I get that BUT.......the Moderna and Pfizer can ALSO BE ONE AND DONE vaccines and they STILL have a better efficacies than the J&J vaccine and only one shot.

The only reason that I can see for anyone to get the J&J vaccine is if that person is leery of the mRNA technology of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. As for J&J being the "one and done" vaccine, that should not be a part of the equation because the Moderna and Pfizer can also be one and done with a BETTER efficacy than the J&J.

Hope that makes my point clearer.

dlspiess 04-03-2021 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1924723)
Did you see or read the CDC Director and the science behind it? If someone wants protection at this point, stay home.

Florida 50+ are eligible for vaccination, so no more excuses for anyone.

Dominoes delivers....
Florida just opened up vaccines to anyone 18 and older. 16 and 17 years old need parental consent

dms4rn 04-03-2021 08:49 AM
Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple

Spalumbos62 04-03-2021 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Neils (Post 1924685)
With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

I literally just saw that the virus surge is up 230% in kids under 12.

Its so difficult, we all should mask until......?
The surge to the little ones is probably from all the grand parents that thought they were safe to visit. 🤷*♀️

Mardarlowe 04-03-2021 08:52 AM
I will get vaccination but difficult to watch Dr. Fuji admire himself every day.


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