[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by drducat

What are you talking about....The money to fund the vaccines came from you and me...our government funding.

This is wrong. President Trump offered Pfizer money and they refused it.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by John41

I completely agree everyone over 20 who can should get vaccinated. And making it a racial or political party statement is a disservice. If this virus is the result of gain of function research it will have been designed to mutate faster and in a way to avoid our vaccines. Here’s the info below on the Pfizer walk back. Also the research was done in university labs not company labs. Big pharma was needed for production and distribution.
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As NPR reported in July, the government reached a deal for nearly two billion dollars to help distribute the vaccine. Pfizer’s own press release in July announced that the U.S. government placed an initial order of 100 million doses for $1.95 billion. No money went specifically into the vaccine’s research and development, but Pfizer absolutely did take government money, and was forced to walk back Jansen’s statement.

In an update to their story, Newsweek provided this key clarification, “This page has been updated to clarify Jansen’s comments following further details from a Pfizer spokesperson. The spokesperson clarified that its vaccine is linked to Operation Warp Speed, though its research and development has not taken funding from the federal government. The headline was also updated for clarity.”

Looks like your post says they did not take any money for R&D. (development)

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Looks like your post says they did not take any money for R&D. (development)

I ask you to build a house and once completed I will pay you a Million for it whether or not it will ever be able to get a certificate of occupancy.

You build the house for 100,000 dollars.

Who paid for the house? You wouldn't have built it without my contractual agreement to pay you, no matter what the outcome.

Did you front the money? Sure. You did it with a 100% guarantee of a 10x return.

Since you risked nothing, again, I ask, who paid for it?

You can parse that they did all the R&D and while true, they did it with an ironclad guarantee that it would be returned at some multiplier.

Would they have done all the R&D and testing without the FED contract? Maybe. Did they? No.

[Wyseguy]

Despite Fauci’s assertions, Israeli data indicate natural immunity 6x greater than achieved from the jab.
Despite Fauci’s assertions, Israeli data indicate natural immunity 6x greater than achieved from the jab - LifeSite

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Looks like your post says they did not take any money for R&D. (development)

That’s correct Pfizer did not take money for R&D just for production and distribution.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by John41

That’s correct Pfizer did not take money for R&D just for production and distribution.

Uh, it that the same as they sold 100 million does to the US? Or did the us provide funding for production and distribution?

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

LifeSite is an alt-right anti-abortion conspiracy website. It has been banned from some social media websites for promoting misleading and simply FAKE (fiction, not true, lies) Covid misinformation.

It is the false-Christian version of Breitbart.

People who actually believe that tripe are being horribly - and possibly lethally - misled.

This from the Israel Times on the efficacy of the vaccine versus natural immunity.
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Citing very preliminary data, Channel 13 reports that those who recovered from COVID-19 may be better protected from reinfection than those who received the vaccine.

Since May 1, 72 people who previously had COVID were infected again, accounting for 1 percent of confirmed new cases, while 3,000 who were vaccinated have been infected — 40% of confirmed new cases.

Some experts conclude that those who had COVID are relatively safe from reinfection. But other health officials counter that the data does not take into account that new outbreaks did not spread in areas that previously saw massive outbreaks during the pandemic, such as in the ultra-Orthodox community, reports Channel 13.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by John41

This from the Israel Times on the efficacy of the vaccine versus natural immunity.
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Citing very preliminary data, Channel 13 reports that those who recovered from COVID-19 may be better protected from reinfection than those who received the vaccine.

Since May 1, 72 people who previously had COVID were infected again, accounting for 1 percent of confirmed new cases, while 3,000 who were vaccinated have been infected — 40% of confirmed new cases.

Some experts conclude that those who had COVID are relatively safe from reinfection. But other health officials counter that the data does not take into account that new outbreaks did not spread in areas that previously saw massive outbreaks during the pandemic, such as in the ultra-Orthodox community, reports Channel 13.

Those 72 people may or may not have had covid19.......depends if Israel was using the PCR test or not. That test was no good from the beginning....picks up any what not virus dead or alive and they reported a covid 19 case.....

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Uh, it that the same as they sold 100 million does to the US? Or did the us provide funding for production and distribution?

In answer to your question see post #258 and Pfizer press release below where the cooperation with Operation Warp Speed in several areas is described as beneficial. If you need financials I refer you to Pfizer’s 10k report.
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Pfizer is working very closely with the U.S. government on several fronts as we strategize and plan for our future COVID-19 vaccine distribution effort, keeping in mind that our vaccine candidate needs to clear a number of efficacy, safety and manufacturing hurdles before we submit for any FDA consideration. General Gustave Perna and the Operation Warp Speed team have offered any and all support and we are grateful for that as what we are tasked with is no simple feat.

A few areas where we have been collaborating include:

a direct ship distribution strategy that minimizes the transportation time from our facility to the point of use,
synchronization of our vaccine shipments with the delivery of an ancillary kit that contains supplies required to administer the vaccine, and
a second dose inventory management system.
The combination of OWS logistics expertise coupled with Pfizer’s deep manufacturing and distribution expertise provides a solid foundation for success.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by John41

This from the Israel Times on the efficacy of the vaccine versus natural immunity.
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Citing very preliminary data, Channel 13 reports that those who recovered from COVID-19 may be better protected from reinfection than those who received the vaccine.

Since May 1, 72 people who previously had COVID were infected again, accounting for 1 percent of confirmed new cases, while 3,000 who were vaccinated have been infected — 40% of confirmed new cases.

Some experts conclude that those who had COVID are relatively safe from reinfection. But other health officials counter that the data does not take into account that new outbreaks did not spread in areas that previously saw massive outbreaks during the pandemic, such as in the ultra-Orthodox community, reports Channel 13.

So one newspaper is informing you that a second media source is reporting something that "some experts" and "other health officials" are saying?

Here's one for you then, since you're buying that:

I read about a guy who grew a green tongue. Some experts claim it was naturally grown, but some health officials insist it was caused by a fungus. A third group of expert officials of health are positive that fungi are natural, and therefore it was both natural /and/ a fungus. The green tongue is on display somewhere, according to a source I read about.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by John41

In answer to your question see post #258 and Pfizer press release below where the cooperation with Operation Warp Speed in several areas is described as beneficial. If you need financials I refer you to Pfizer’s 10k report.
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Pfizer is working very closely with the U.S. government on several fronts as we strategize and plan for our future COVID-19 vaccine distribution effort, keeping in mind that our vaccine candidate needs to clear a number of efficacy, safety and manufacturing hurdles before we submit for any FDA consideration. General Gustave Perna and the Operation Warp Speed team have offered any and all support and we are grateful for that as what we are tasked with is no simple feat.

A few areas where we have been collaborating include:

a direct ship distribution strategy that minimizes the transportation time from our facility to the point of use,
synchronization of our vaccine shipments with the delivery of an ancillary kit that contains supplies required to administer the vaccine, and
a second dose inventory management system.
The combination of OWS logistics expertise coupled with Pfizer’s deep manufacturing and distribution expertise provides a solid foundation for success.

Thank you

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Oh, you mean the knuckle-dragging white supremacist hillbillies who call it a "plandemic" and think George Soros, Bill Gates and Obama are behind the whole thing at China's direction?

Well, you'd be wrong. Those refusing to get vaccinated are not right wing nutjobs nor Tucker Carlson/Fox News lovers but minorities - black and Latinos - who distrust the government that takes care of them, cradle to grave. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

These are supposed to be their peeps and they have pooped on their vaccination agenda! They've offered them money, incentives, in California the idiot governor is on TV spinning the lottery wheel where newly vaccinated folks are entered, they've done outreach, special vaccine clinics at parks and shopping malls. Latino men, still full of the old-school machismo, think it will make them impotent or sterile. Blacks think it's another Tuskegee experiment at their expense. And then there's the young. Well, they're supposed to be stupid, right? Full of bravado, thinking they're invincible and nothing can hurt them.

Maybe you shouldn't be so self-righteous, judgmental, sneering, and stereotyping, and realize this pandemic is all about FEAR. Fear of the virus, which I see plenty of on this forum, and fear of an experimental vaccine and its possible, unknown side effects. Both reactions are normal and human so stop trivializing and mocking other people's pain and anxiety.

Excellent response!

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Here Are The Biggest Groups That Are Still Refusing The Covid-19 Vaccine, Poll Finds

EXCERPT.........Nearly half of unvaccinated respondents were Republicans (49% versus 29% Democrats), as opposed to 31% of vaccinated respondents who identified as Republicans and 59% Democrats.

Well according to your KFF site 88% of vaccinated say "getting vaccinated is a greater risk than catching COVID"


The information you link to says that ONLY 59% of the vaccinated are Democrat. That number does not equate to 29% not vaccinated. Polling numbers are skewed. If you subtract their 49% of Republicans UN-vaccinated you get 51% vaccinated. Hardly a big difference. It also says that only 28% of age 65+ have been vaccinated. Does that sound plausible to you? The information that you provided is greatly flawed.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The United States government did NOT fund the Pfizer vaccine.

According to your SNOPES:
"$1.95 billion allocated to Pfizer was for large-scale manufacturing and nationwide distribution."
"Technically, the work conducted by Pfizer and its partner, German drugmaker BioNTech, is an expansion of OWS and was operating under an agreement to meet the goal of OWS to deliver 300 million doses of a vaccine in 2021. As part of the agreement, the U.S. government would receive 100 million doses after the successful manufacturing of the vaccine and its approval by the FDA."

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Young children MIGHT (?) have long-term neurological problems since that has been established as a problem for children with symptomatic CV and may be worse with the Delta variant? There is probably continuing study about that possibility. I am SURE that vaccination makes that much less likely!

Young children cannot be vaccinated...