How Many??
 

“274 (79%) vaccinated patients with breakthrough infection were symptomatic. Among five COVID-19 patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated; no deaths were reported. “

It is starting already.....................

Disney and Walmart mandates vaccines for all corporate employees - CNN

News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs

It's in the article.

It’s not going to go well!
 

There will be lawsuits. My experience in Healthcare HR showed that the employer will have to prove a valid reason for compelling employees to submit to a vaccine that hasn’t been approved by the FDA yet. We tried to force hospital employees to take the Flu vaccine in Illinois & were overruled by a judge who said as long as there was an alternative way to protect patients from infection, ie an N-95 Mask, we could not use vaccination as a condition of employment.
That was with an approved vaccine.
We’ll see how that pans out in today’s world.

Massachusetts Cluster
 

“274 (79%) vaccinated patients with breakthrough infection were symptomatic. Among five COVID-19 patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated; no deaths were reported. “ in the article.

Sounds like the vaccine is doing exactly what it is designed to do.

And no mention of cases at the southern border. iCE estimates 1.7 million illegal aliens will cross the southern border this year which is more than the state of Vermont. And Fauci says it’s not his problem.

It was designed to have major breakthrough and the same death rate as the unvaccinated? Sounds reasonable... Now the comments of well there will be clusters etc. It's one of the only studies that shows the facts as they really are and I don't think many people here want to hear how many people are vulnerable to breakthrough after being vaccinated. I think the more major point of this study is stop pointing fingers at the unvaccinated with no proof and be concerned about yourself. You don't need to worry about me because I'm surely not worried about you. Put your mask on and hide in your home because there is a miniscule chance that either jabbed or not you will die.

This. Feel bad for millions of Americans who are starting to be evicted today because the govt, not the virus, shut our economy down while they sip on Margaritas in their mountain retreats.

I'm so glad I watch Fox News occasionally so I can keep up with the latest pivots....I see the constant pivoting to immigration and I can almost hear Tucker, or Laura, or Sean.....it is not Fauci's job to handle immigration...it's his job to study the virus and report, BASED ON FACTS, his recommendations. Yes, immigration is a problem but it is separate from the rest of the country's problem with the virus. Florida and all the counties in the Villages have very high positivity rates. That is the problem that needs to be addressed. Although, since people are so upset about immigration, I can't help but notice all the Hispanics doing the roof replacements in our neighborhood for all the law and order conservatives basically defrauding their insurance companies by claiming "storm damage" on 15 year old roofs. Show me an American who wants to replace a roof when the feels like temperature is 104? so much hypocrisy. They may be here legally or not, but they are doing work no American wants to do and since it's benefiting the "Build the Wall" people then it's ok.

No matter how many times you repeat it, this is still misinformation. Here's what the CDC actually says: "As of July 26, 2021, more than 163 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.
During the same time, CDC received reports from 49 U.S. states and territories of 6,587 patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection who were hospitalized or died." COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

They quit trying to count total breakthrough cases in April.

Good morning to you too, neighbor and friend. Who ****ed in your Wheaties?

Can you post a link to support this? The only things I could find say that ICE expects approximately 1.7m apprehensions or attempted illegal crossings in 2021. Also, while there are certainly many unvaccinated among these attempted illegal immigrants, there are over 150 million U.S. residents who are also unvaccinated, many by their own choice. Statistically speaking, who is the more likely culprit in spreading the virus?

i can see your point, however, it's not that we HATE fauci. since his hacked emails were released, we know the extent of his truths & falsehoods. how can i possibly trust someone who has his own interests in mind? i don't come into things with preconceived notions, its the persons' behavior that leads me to suspicion

You cannot get the virus if you have been vaccinated. The ruling class said so.

:mademyday:

thank you for the open-minded approach!

This post is all over the place. In Florida, Churches were not closed by any government directive, but many were closed out of an abundance of caution.

People may have lost their jobs and were unable to make their bills due to the pandemic and the falling employment for a variety of connected reasons. I truly thought I saw people who were elected TRYING to keep things afloat financially, but the ultimate financial security rests often with small and large decisions that people make daily. I was taught, being a child of parents who lived through the depression, that no matter how little you have, to save some of it for VERY hard times and reuse, recycle and repurpose so that someday you and your children will not be faced with eviction and hunger. Buy or rent a smaller home and put some in the bank. I know that that does not cover all evictions, but it does cover some.

We can't get carried away in blanket anger. We can't blame others for things we could prevent.

We can't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Vaccine mandates eradicated smallpox. Americans DID put up with it then. What's changed?

The mindset of people who CAN vaccinate, refusing to vaccinate is foreign to me. That, to me, is the mindset of some unaware creature who is not self-realized, who doesn't understand its place in the world, that is not a sentient being at all. The one who says "we don't know if it's safe" is the one who lives under a rock and really should just stay under that rock until the vaccine blows over, to keep them from causing harm to anyone else.

The ones who say "well YOU are vaccinated, so I don't have to be" are the ones that annoy me the worst. They will rant and rave and rail against "socialism" but demand that everyone else keep them safe, as an entitlement, so they don't have to take pro-active measures to keep themselves safe. And of course they aren't required to help keep anyone else safe.

The only people who should not WANT to vaccinate, are people who are not eligible to vaccinate. Medically unable to handle it, and kids under 12. Everyone else should be lining up and eagerly taking the "jab," as the anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists call it.

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1981152) This post is all over the place. In Florida, Churches were not closed by any government directive, but many were closed out of an abundance of caution.

Charges dropped against Tampa pastor who held services during stay-at-home order

Yes, I learned this as well. But what it fails to include is that the "scientists" are not flawless. They make mistakes, can have an agenda, can be biased (even if not conscious of it) and so on. Scientists are humans too and there is a lot of pressure politically on them today that there wasn't back then. Also a lot of pressure within the field itself.

Add to this the difficulty in doing a study. There are multiple factors that need to be controlled in order for the study to be credible. And as I mentioned above the individuals must be unbiased. Meaning they have to have an excellent sense of self awareness cause it it very easy for anyone to bring bias into a study. There are other factors to consider as well such as the length of the study, the number of subjects studied, cross section of the subjects being studied, etc, etc. It's really quite surprising how many people quote "studies" as being factual without ever looking into how the study was done and the many factors that may have skewed the study. Even what the CDC puts out needs to taken with a grain of salt. Esp since it's a government entity that is vulnerable to persuasion by the powers to be.

Agree!
“CDC recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%”

Yet here we go again with vaccinated people masking up, discussions of schools possibly not opening up, and I guess next up are the business closures and churches again??? This is nuts!

I can't tell what you are more mad at...the immigrants for coming in, or that they aren't vaccinated. Maybe they can't get the vaccine because they need to show proof of citizenship, which of course they don't have. The circle continues.
So maybe, instead of bit#$ing that they are here w/o a vaccine, yet happy they are doing the hot roofing jobs, the employer- and I use that term loosely- should provide the service of a vaccine. Of course there is just something not right about this suggestion, it would certainly solve the problem.

So it’s OK for illegal aliens to take jobs from AMERICAN minorities so you can get an illegal to do your roof on the cheap.

The border should be closed with no one allowed in at this time! 13% is the positive rate for illegals and they are being released into our country. How about living in a border town where they are released being covid positive and they are staying in local hotels as reported in the news this week? It doesn’t take a genius to see that there is something very wrong here and why is this being allowed when we are struggling to get COVID under control with our own citizens?

Last paragraph of article you quoted;

"Staver contended that Howard-Browne’s arrest prompted Gov. Ron DeSantis to exempt churches, synagogue and other houses of worship in a statewide stay-at-home order released on April 1."

Do either of you happen to have a link to where you found these numbers?

They don't appear to match the numbers from this CDC page with current counts or this CDC page with estimates for undercounts. Perhaps there is a third CDC page?

(Note: the numbers are close to those on the estimates page - let's hope the estimates are correct?)

Employees wearing mandated N95 masks to protect themselves and their patients is an excellent option to mandated vaccines.

I feel terrible for the good people of Australia under the gun of military now. The authoritism does not match

Ummmmm…No.
 

The vaccine, like the Flu vaccine, may not stop you from becoming infected. It’s a mitigation to prevent serious illness or death. The Massachusetts cluster demonstrates just that. 274 vaccinated people infected at a beach party & only 4 were hospitalized & zero deaths!

I’m not a mask wearer & I’m damn sure NOT afraid!😎

Private companies are more nimble and flexible than the Federal Government. So, they can do the RIGHT thing and lead the way. "You can fool some of the people (like on a forum) ALL of the time". But, "you can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time". Do the right thing, listen to the CDC, and get your shot. Lives are depending on you!

It is simple logic.......a mask can help to prevent a small % of CV infections. But, vaccines prevent close to 100% of hospitalizations and deaths. Most Judges and even regular people and forum-dwellers will eventually figure that one out.

We’ll see what happens as it plays out in the courts.

You're correct about the hospitalizations and death. That's always been the endgame, IMO, and I recall the CDC and medical professionals saying as much even early on. They never said you can't get COVID if vaccinated but that the impact would be less. Also, they knew you could still carry the virus and shed it which is why they want as many people as possible to be vaccinated.

Even traditional vaccines for the seasonal flu and other viruses are not 100 percent effective. People still get the flu after they've had the flu shot! Every doctor will tell you that. But they also will say if you get it you will have a milder form and less likely to end up in the hospital or worse.

New information is always interesting to me, BUT I would also appreciate it if they would give the positive along with the negative.
For instance, a friend of mine was about hysterical about the spike in Covid cases this month. I found it interesting, BUT since he seemed to be hyperventilating I decided to look up a figure that everyone should be able to appreciate. Turns out that the death rate in his state for the whole month was less than ONE DAY in the past Jan.
Maybe the Delta virus is less deadly.
Maybe the vaccination is making the virus less deadly.
Who knows? Instead of crying about how dark it is in the tunnel, how about thinking about that light that we can see at the end of the tunnel and keep on trucking towards it?

Yes, you're correct. The Delta variant is not as virulent/powerful but it is more contagious/easily spread. The scary variant, which apparently has been contained, is the South African variant, which had ravaged Brazil.

Gracie....you are such a card! :)

There IS a simple PROOF about the difference in danger and risk of going UNvaccinated versus vaccinated. In the south-central US (aka land of the UNvaccinated), 99% of those people on ventilators and struggling to BREATHE are the UNvaccinated. Most of those near DEATH would like to be able to go back and take the vaccine - the nurses have quoted, "I am very sorry, but it is too late"! Reference Dr. Hoteze of Baylor U. and Dr. Vin Gupta and many other medical experts that have been interviewed about this subject for, at least, the last 2 weeks!

I don't understand the reluctance to accept Science and information that saves lives, both mine and yours. One Washington insider from the south-central US recently went so far as to laugh about Science in general. That could never have happened in the 1960s when Americans were PROUD that the US had caught up with the Russians in rocket and satellite launching. No one LAUGHED at Science then. Are there burkas in the future for all US women - back to the dark ages? What happened to America? Recently, America lost a Pentagon "war games" exercise to both Russia and China. When will the downside stop?

Yes, but what bothers me is not necessarily dying. Once you’re gone, you’re gone. It is the long Covid which can occur after mild illness too. Quality of life. That is what scares me.

Simple solution......everyone eligible for vaccination should get themselves vaccinated. I would bet real money that if that were to be accomplished in this country, we would not be looking down the nose at lockdowns or masking for the masses. I blame the anti-vaxxers, hesitant- vaxxers and those fake religious exemptions vaxxers for this mess.