Very true. And even then we have to be careful saying "the mask protects you". Since so many like to think/speak in absolutes. It does NOT absolutely protect you 100%. It helps.

Also, it is extremely important for the mask to fit properly to seal around the edges. Otherwise, no joy. But, even with a perfect fit, it is not perfect protection, it helps. But, every little bit helps.

I'm no expert but that makes absolutely no sense at all.

No, what we are seeing now is the anti-vaxxer movement not allowing enough people to get vaccinated and stop these variants. Again, I'm no expert but that just seems to make more sense to me. I still blame the anti-vaxxer movement for the mess we are all in.

That is why in the other thread I said the news from the CDC was not as good as we (I) had hoped. There is evidence that the DELTA has a fairly high breakthrough rate. It appears from what I read at CDC that the vaccine is about 80% effective against DELTA. But, DELTA is a lot more contagious than the original, so that 20% not effective can result in a LOT of infections. But, the vaccination does reduce the chances of serious complications and/or having to go to the hospital.

Also, that 80% is based on a very limited sampling of data, and could change as more cases are reported and the CDC has more data to work with.

So, the vaccine is not as good against DELTA as the original, so a lot more cases showing up, but a lot better than nothing.

Also, a lot of people, like me got their vaccination 4 months ago or so, and so the effectiveness is starting to wane.

EDIT: Also, vaccinations are less effective in seniors than younger folks. This appears to be WRONG. A recent study in Israel shows that seniors are as protected as younger people by the vaccines.

So, seniors need to get boosters sooner and be more careful.

Well, I will go a step further and say that the anti-vax'ers are part of a larger group that are anti-COVIDers. There is a large number of people that still say COVID is no worse than the flu. And refuse to wear masks, refuse to socially distance, and refuse to get vaccinated. Why they feel/believe this I can't say.

Got a link to the CDC stating that?
Or is that your "expert" opinion?
Where are you getting your booster?

It makes perfect sense....The vaccinated are contributing to the variants.....He said it along time ago and all his statements are falling true.

Well it wouldn't to someone who's not a expert.
Does anyone ever hear themselves?

I am not and never have claimed to be an expert, I read and post here what I consider to be valid information from what I believe to be credible sources. If I post something in error, and it is pointed out, I am the first to admit it and retract my post and apologize.

I got my vaccination from the VA in Gainesville. I am waiting to hear back from my PCP about when Boosters will be available.

Here is a Lancet article on vaccine effectiveness by age group, It does not support my claim that the vaccination is less effective in seniors: I apologize for that mistake:

Model is adjusted for age group (16–24, 25–34, 35–44, 45–54, 55–64, 65–74, 75–84, and ≥85 years)

I see no reason to even fact-check a poster that claims the government has approved a vaccine that will destroy our immune systems permanently. If that is TRUE, then we are all up the proverbial creek.

I was just wondering where you got your valid information from a credible source that your vaccine effectiveness is "waning" after 4 months.

There is nothing to fact check...it is a letter from one of the top vaccine experts in the world.

Besides this poster (me) has never made the claim about our government.

Did you post a post that said the vaccination would permanently destroy our immune systems? I am NOT saying you said it will, did you post a post saying that someone else, an expert, said it will?

The man has a heavy Dutch accent and is difficult to understand. W hat he's saying is that the virus will do what it takes to survive if a vaccine is suddenly introduced which means it will mutate into a new variant which can be even more deadly than the original COVID-19. I think we are seeing this now.

I do not recall that....however whom ever did was most likely referring to ADE which is real...not what some fact checkers are saying. Your body over reacts to contacting covid19 and causes a Cytokine Storm....immune response is over reacting.

The letter from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche is scary stuff and the vaccine was a risk to begin with. Once they found out it does not stay in the muscle of the injection site and it spreads all over, they should have stopped the jab.

This also....:shocked:

There's no "anti-vaxxer movement" and no one is stopping anyone from getting the vaccine. I know people from different walks of life, race/ethnicity, religion, income level, political ideology who do not want to get the vaccine. They have nothing else in common, only that.

This veterinarian's opinion was debunked last March.

Addressing Geert Vanden Bossche’s Claims — Deplatform Disease

I also checked with Snopes, because it's what I always do. I found a link to the letter he wrote, read the entire thing, and noticed he just very conveniently happens to mention that the only prevention for this virus is a vaccine that HE invented. How convenient is that?

Snake oil, meet your salesman.

I didn't mean to imply that, I meant we got vaccinations around 4 or 5 month ago, and I do recall that there has been suggestions that we might need to get a booster at 6 months. I will find the article and post it here.

He's not a prominent virologist.

He's a veterinarian who received his PhD in virology. His actual medical doctorate is in veterinary medicine. He's also prominent only by way of self-promotion. He's not really known for much of anything. I mean he made a big deal about speaking at a LinkdIn event in Ohio. That's the medicine world's equivalent of a motivational speaker at a regional Tupperware meeting.

I assume you know that explanation is totally nonsense.

Virus's are not sentient. They do not make decisions to suddenly mutate. Mutations are NOT conscious choices, they occur for a number of reasons none of them have to do with being in a hostile environment. Mutations naturally occur in ALL living things all the time.

Not impressed!

I saw it too.

Here's Pfizer's press release in full:
https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/202...n2FkePcBiRPGqw

I can say it. And I do, often. Just not on this forum.

Denigrate him all you want, and if you've looked at Fauci's resume, it's even less credible, but what he predicted came true. When he spoke about this there were no variants, only talk from the CDC about possibly needing a booster later in year if they vaccine's effects wore off.

Okay, a little looking revealed that The vaccine company is recommending boosters, Israel is moving forward with boosters, here, we are still studying the idea.

Here is a link to a Yale Medicine article that discusses it, and an issue I had not thought about, the moral issue of should we vaccinate the rest of the world before providing boosters for people already vaccinated. I would prefer to get the rest of the world vaccinated before providing booster shots here. But, I will leave that decision to my PCP.

Okay, so I will show you Fauci's, you show the vets.

We will be waiting to hear from you.

Fauci Resume

List of Awards and recognitions

Yes, today in a world overloaded with information sources. Each person must choose wisely where they get their information. it would be my advice that Facebook is the absolute worse place to go to be informed. Use Facebook ONLY for communicating with friends. It is well known that the Facebook software is designed to keep users on their site for as long as possible. FB moves vulnerable people off of a middle-of-the-road position slowly and surely towards the fringes of thought and society - it is like slumming or washing your hands in a sewer - ultimately a sewer of misinformation.

It would be nice if someone wrote a how-to book about a correct way to pick RELIABLE news sources. I feel that many people (as evidenced by this forum) have NOT chosen well.

And this brings us back to the CDC. Some people rail against it. Yet I find it very informative. I know enough Science to know Science changes. And then the CDC changes to give Americans the BEST AVAILABLE and current information. Life changes faster today than it did in the 1960s before information overload. WE older peons have to work harder to change and be open to finding good information. I advise trusting the CDC over trusting Facebook.

N95 masks, with a perfect fit around the face, is supposed to filter out 95% of airborne particles. That is pretty darn good protection.

And here is a list of possible side effects that can be derived from the vaccine.....Boost after talking to your DR.

Believe what you like but there most certainly is an anti-vaxxer movement. This has been going on long before Covid arrived on the scene. Covid has given this anti-vaxxer movement a lot of publicity and it seems to be in our faces at this point.

I use facebook primarily to communicate with friends and family. Also to watch cute animal videos.

Have you ever used an N95....pretty hard to breath if your moving around much.

rotflmao!!!

OK now I know you are just punking this forum. No anti-vax movement? For serious? There has been a militant, dangerous anti-vax movement ever since there've been vaccinations.

Here's a primer, for those who have sincerely been living under a rock for the past 200 years.

Boosters are going to be a hard sell here without strong evidence that their effectiveness has worn off. And what about the variants? They've had a hard enough time getting people to receive the three vaccines let alone booster shots!

It's even harder to breathe when you are dead.

See, I can tell you don't bother to read provided links because your "questions" about booster are addressed in the Yale article. But, you aren't interested, are you?

Variants occur when there are hosts for the virus, not because of vaccinated people. This guy made a prediction that Americans would not get on the vaccine bandwagon, therefore providing this virus with LOTS of hosts. THAT is what has cause these variants, NOT vaccinated people. Sheesh.

Oh boy, more "hacked emails"!! Gimme!