OBB has a way with words and can give it to the best of 'em. I LOVE her delivery, candor and most of her her exquisite sarcasm.

WOW......such an upbeat sentiment from you. Thank you.

Speaking of the Covid long haul side effects..........anyone know if fully vaccinated people who get infected then recover suffer long haul effects?

Tell me that you are not going to allow fear to rule your life this far into your tenure? There are too many "what if's" in this lifetime to bother wasting time on things that haven't happened yet. Do your best to prepare and leave the rest of the worrying up to GOD. Just my opinion.

Good question! And interesting, compared to all the hysteria we get on here every time some new information is presented. I wonder if maybe the "long haul effects" might be more serious in conjunction with how serious the infection suffered. Perhaps, the "effects" might be lighter or even non-existent in those that have been vaccinated and infected? Just my speculation. We seem to have a few "experts" on here that I am sure will enlighten us with their experience related to contagious diseases.

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

That's a good reminder to all of those that wish our gov to mandate everything FOR us.

A lot of viruses "come back" like chicken pox/shingles. Many virus strains sequester in your body for many years and screw up your immune system like Guillan-Barre and Epstein-Barr syndromes, fibromyalgia, Lyme Disease (which they should hurry up and find a cure/prevention for because it has destroyed so many lives of people I know).

A century ago, balancing the tension between individual liberties and public safety, the Supreme Court upheld the ability of state and local governments to enforce mandatory vaccination laws. “In every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members,” wrote Justice John Marshall Harlan, “the rights of the individual … may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”

I agree, but I would like to add. US citizens will do ANY job today - IF they are paid enough. Science is on the verge of having A.I. AND ROBOTICS that can do ANY dangerous or difficult job. ALL these legal AND illegal worker-type immigrants will be UNNEEDED and unemployed in 40 years. That will cause social problems then. Why is the US so BAD at long-term planning?

I suppose that's why public schools can mandate vaccines for students as a prerequisite for enrollment. Even before COVID, parents were skirting around the vaccination requirements claiming religious exemption. Some states tightened up their laws because they were seeing big outbreaks of whooping cough and measles, dangerous diseases for some, especially the former.

The most recent CDC findings are that DELTA is likely MORE deadly than past US variants. That is the whole reason that they recommended increased mask-wearing indoors and outdoors if in large, close groups. It is affecting younger people more.

And compare that to Smallpox, which has a 30% mortality rate

Agree that "Quality of Life" should be the yardstick for society. Public health is part of the quality of life and the CDC is an important part of public health.

Young children MIGHT (?) have long-term neurological problems since that has been established as a problem for children with symptomatic CV and may be worse with the Delta variant? There is probably continuing study about that possibility. I am SURE that vaccination makes that much less likely!

They said it's more transmissable and those who are diagnosed with it have higher viral loads but there is no evidence they get any sicker. At any rate, I'm sure there will be more variants coming down the pike. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, a leading European viriologist, warned against mass vaccinations in the middle of a pandemic because it would create dangerous variants.

Good point.

There has always been a HUGE loud honking enormous obnoxiously sickly sweet overbearing positive, that has been utterly rejected by the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers:

The vaccines, masks, hand-washing, and social distancing can all...
(say it with me, kids)
(drumroll)

REDUCE RISK.

That's right. These simple steps can reduce your risk of dying to a disease that causes you to choke to death on your own mucus.

But wait, there's more!

With these handy dandy steps, you will also reduce your risk of surviving that disease, but living with permanent lung and/or heart scarring for the rest of your life!

And that's not all!

Get these simple solutions now, and we'll toss in a reduced risk of spreading the disease to your loved ones, at no extra cost!


See? Awesome news. Now watch the deniers deny it, and blame politics.

Whoa horsey

I think you are forgetting about 34 million Americans (plus millions more asymptomatics) who have had covid and have immunity which is possibly stronger and more lasting than that given by the vaccine. CDC states that reinfections are very rare. All the news seems to be about vaccinated people catching Delta, we are not hearing about lots of covid survivors catching Delta.

If I was younger and had no serious health problems and already had covid, I'd probably decline the shots, especially seeing that the Delta can breakthrough the vaccine. If I was older, had health problems and already had covid, I'd probably get the shots.

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19 | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

Love it!:boxing2:

I'm curious about something: if the study was done in Cape Cod after a super spreader event, i.e. a beach party, which is outdoors, and even those who had been vaccinated contracted the Delta variant of COVID, then are large outdoor gatherings risky even if they ask for proof of vaccinations and/or negative tests?

I thought the concern was over indoor events but this study seems to say that any large gathering of people is problematic. So does that mean those who attend a concert or sporting event, like a baseball game in a large stadium with people yelling and cheering in close proximity to one another, intermingling on the concourse, etc. should wear masks even though they are vaccinated and outdoors?

Today there are at least 3 other variants now in the US. One named "Columbian" is, I believe, in Miami. And one in California. And a 3rd in the US. And yes, I saw this from an expert epidemiologist on TV. And no sorry, I don't have a link for everything.

This is all about risk.

If you're up close and personal with someone, you have a higher risk of spreading the disease, or catching the disease, than if you are at a safe social distance.

Masks can reduce the risk further.

Vaccination, SO FAR, can reduce the risk further.

Having already had COVID-19, SO FAR - can reduce the risk further.

The "so far" is because we're dealing with "what is, currently." We are dealing with the delta version which is showing more contagious than the virus that the vaccine was designed to work against.

If there are more mutations, we have no way to predict what those mutations will do. They MIGHT be less powerful. Or they might become resistant completely to the vaccines, and kill millions. We just don't know.

That's why "risk reduction" is important. It's not prevention. It's reducing risk.

yes!

And how many crossing that don’t get counted? IMO probably twice that amount?

They all went indoors at some point. Even using the John They had to touch door and anything else inside. Not to mention when somebody couched and it lingers in air in confined space?

Of course fear does not rule my life. That would be no fun!

But there are different kinds of fears, in my opinion. One is unjustified fear; fear of something not likely to happen, or something imagined, paranoia. Damnation is the fear of your own shadow. And the other is self preservation fear, rational fear, such as stepping out of the way of a charging bull.

Does anybody know the village bubble vaccinated rate? I guessing is well above national average? Like in 80 to 90 precent range? Maybe some one should start poll who vaccinated and who’s not? That way if we know numbers stop throwing stones from one side to other?

You mean this guy?

Expert in his field.....Not like Fauci at all.....

Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

Hal Turner Radio Show - Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

Most stadiums are back to full capacity and I'm not sure governors in some states, even in places like CA, are going to be so quick to pull the trigger on this. California has already mandated masks for kids in school this fall but haven't heard anything about large gatherings of adults who are the ones that spread it the most.

Well, if he's like Fauci it makes him and his warnings all the more believable. He's a prominent virologist and not an anti-vaxxer. He embraces the mRNA vaccines and thinks they are great, but should not be used in this manner. I think we are seeing his warnings, which he gave in the spring, come to fruition.

Agreed!:clap2:

The reason I ask is because those who have been suffering from Covid long haul effects seem to have some, if not COMPLETE relief from those effects AFTER they get vaccinated. There are several articles that discuss this "phenomenon".

Agree. Anyone at this point who honestly thinks their mask is protecting them has not been listening (for over a year) UNLESS their mask is an N95 or equivalent mask. In that case, anyone claiming their mask protects them should always include the type of protective mask they are wearing.

A bunch of hooey, if you ask me! AKA a crock of $h!t. (Yes, I'm from NY).

That is what I'm hearing over and over and over on my MSM television news sources. Funny, that is NOT what I'm reading over and over and over on this and other forums. Hmmmmm..... what to believe???????

RIP, Ron Popeil.

That is not what I'm seeing on my television when watching the MLB and other sports. I wonder if that is going to come to a screeching halt now that fans are allowed back in the stadiums and arenas.

I have seen the number 70% tossed about here, but I have not verified it.

Frankly, I expected it to be lower than that. If it is 70% that is great, if more, as you suggest, that would be even better. In my not so humble opinion.

Yet, that map that shows how high the transmission rate is has all of Florida's counties solid red, including Sumter County. I would think at least the county that has the most amount of seniors in the state of Florida wouldn't quite be solid red. I'm a bit disappointed in that map, to be honest. I've felt all along that we in The Villages are experiencing a higher vaccination rate than the rest of the state.