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I spent the entire last year just flat out assuming that I'd been exposed to it, due to the nature of my job at the time (working in Publix before masks were required, while masks were required but unenforceable by employees, and out in the parking lots where masks were also not required). No need to have proof that you were exposed to something, if you just go ahead and assume you were exposed to it. I had no symptoms throughout so either I was never exposed and therefore not able to have caught COVID, or I was exposed and either didn't catch the disease, or was asymptomatic. *I* wore a mask, so *I* did *my* part in minimizing the risk that everyone else might catch it from me, if I was actually infected but asymptomatic. Now that the vaccine is here, I'm fully vaccinated and willing to get the booster if the CDC ends up recommending it. Hopefully they'll decide within the next couple of months so we can get it in time for it to be as effective as Pfizer says it should be. |
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Have you ever considered that we might be the ones that turn out to be stupid. After all, the vaccines are still only experimental having only been approved for emergency use. No one yet knows if there are any long term effects. I'm hoping not but I still understand there's that risk. |
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That is a very good answer. Thank you. I will have to scratch my head for a while to see if the bias adds up, but the first impression is you are right. (Oh darn, sorry, I didn't mean to agree with you again - people are going to start taking!) |
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Sure there are some scientists that have sold their souls to big corporations and make statements like "Camel Cigarettes are GOOD for your cough". And they are part of the reason for the anti-science so prevalent today. And then there are the charlatans that sell their snake oil to those that will buy it. But, those down in the trenches, not looking for fame and riches, do doing the hard work and publishing in peer review journals. I trust them. I think NOT trusting them would be a bad idea. |
July had the lowest death rate by Covid in over a year, almost two years. In Florida, of the total deaths in July was less than 6% Covid related.
Most of those refusing the Covid vaccination are either young or minorities. That's a fact according to the demographics table on the CDC site. |
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I'll pick the actual scientists who have spent their lives studying virii for a living. |
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My daughter was an immunologist - not a virologist, but close enough. She worked for research labs in the U.S. and Europe. She usually worked under the umbrella of a hospital or university so it depended on who was providing the funding for their research and that could skew results (especially if pharmaceutical companies were involved). Hate to burst your bubble! |
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There certainly has been an attempt to politicize it, but for the most part that is not the case. |
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But, a Vet giving advice on Pandemics is not science. A politician saying they are smarter than scientists is not helpful. Why does it seem it is always necessary to exaggerate the opposition's position to make ones point. |
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Are you saying that unless all scientists are saints, that they are are unworthy? |
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And to say science hasn't become politicized is untrue. I can think of two glaring examples aside from COVID but don't want to veer off topic and get the thread closed down. |
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Vaccination history has proven that long term effects from any vaccine ever developed and used in humanity has not caused long term effects beyond the amount of time that has already lapsed for these mRNA vaccines that have already been administered. Very good chance there will not be long term effects from these Covid vaccines. That seems to be the most popular excuse used by anti-vaxxers and hesitant vaxxers. They need to start singing a different tune if you ask me. |
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GE.......any comments? I think you already told me that this is a correct understanding of how these mRNA vaccines work. Do I have that right? |
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This gives no T cell immunity......not a sterilizing vaccine, just B cell. To go full T Cell immunity an actual virus (dead) needs to be used, not a shape protein. It is impossible to have T cell immunity....vaccine is just a band aid, no different from Tylenol....gives protection of symptoms only and not the virus . :MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot: |
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Fauci's resume is impeccable. He is a legend in his field. History will remember him, not that self-promoting VETERINARIAN!
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Well, you'd be wrong. Those refusing to get vaccinated are not right wing nutjobs nor Tucker Carlson/Fox News lovers but minorities - black and Latinos - who distrust the government that takes care of them, cradle to grave. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you! These are supposed to be their peeps and they have pooped on their vaccination agenda! They've offered them money, incentives, in California the idiot governor is on TV spinning the lottery wheel where newly vaccinated folks are entered, they've done outreach, special vaccine clinics at parks and shopping malls. Latino men, still full of the old-school machismo, think it will make them impotent or sterile. Blacks think it's another Tuskegee experiment at their expense. And then there's the young. Well, they're supposed to be stupid, right? Full of bravado, thinking they're invincible and nothing can hurt them. Maybe you shouldn't be so self-righteous, judgmental, sneering, and stereotyping, and realize this pandemic is all about FEAR. Fear of the virus, which I see plenty of on this forum, and fear of an experimental vaccine and its possible, unknown side effects. Both reactions are normal and human so stop trivializing and mocking other people's pain and anxiety. |
After almost 2 years , nobody really knows
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Do mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines induce memory T cell response similar to natural infection? |
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