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Singerlady 06-11-2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cgilcreast (Post 1781734)
The bias won't stop until our education system educates. That includes primary, secondary and university systems. The reason that at home education is taking off.

That could be dangerous as well...see my other comment.

Singerlady 06-11-2020 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1781746)
Our school system is doing a terrible job teaching our kids the history of our country or for that matter world history. And please notice the word all.

Why do you think that so many comments are racist?

As a former teacher with many years of experience it is not that the schools are not teaching the students well. The students learn the material for the test but that does not mean that they necessarily believe it. Parents teach their ideals to their children and those beliefs are ingrained in those children. We can only do what we can do with the children. History teachers have them at most 50 minutes per day (high school). How many minutes do they spend with their parents?

dlb8159@yahoo.com 06-11-2020 08:04 AM

What’s next.....on censorship, burning books, closing libraries?

regas56 06-11-2020 08:08 AM

If we rid ourselves of all the proof of the atrocities of our past then in the future we will know longer have the reminders or the proof that they truly did happen.. In today's world if you can't prove it most will argue it didn't happen. What then pray tell will we use as our crutch or our excuse for the failures we're sure to face? If we ask WHY do you want to destroy that statue or burn that book the answer is always, we no longer want the memory of our oppression, yet you passionately continue to support the very party that willingly went to war, killed their own brothers, fathers or sons and died by the 100's of 1000's to keep you oppressed. How does that not remind you of your past oppression?

MD5443 06-11-2020 08:09 AM

It's terrible that they are destroying all of our National Monuments especially sad is the destruction of memorials honoring our Veterans! 🇺🇸 I'm concerned also about Mt. Vernon which has been preserved all these years!! Scary times!! 🙏

Number 10 GI 06-11-2020 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Singerlady (Post 1781888)
As a former teacher with many years of experience it is not that the schools are not teaching the students well. The students learn the material for the test but that does not mean that they necessarily believe it. Parents teach their ideals to their children and those beliefs are ingrained in those children. We can only do what we can do with the children. History teachers have them at most 50 minutes per day (high school). How many minutes do they spend with their parents?

Schools should get back to teaching the basics, reading, writing and math. Teachers that try to indoctrinate young minds in any ideology should be fired and teaching certificate revoked. Schools that allow this activity should be decertified and the entire decision making staff fired.

valuemkt 06-11-2020 08:23 AM

Yes, let's burn all the books. Forget our history.. Which President should we start with . or shall we conclude we really don;t need a government .. if we dont need police, might as well ditch the constitution - it was just slapped together by a bunch of racist white men anyway. Wait, wasn't there a book named Fahrenheit 451 ??

Just remember, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

LG999 06-11-2020 08:25 AM

I dont see how or why opinions would be changed unless and until schools do. Children are not taught American history or civics in school. How can people vote when they have not been taught how our country actually works and why. I do not know if they are taught world history where they would learn the importance of the world wars. Instead, children are taught to be ashamed of themselves and of the US. Therefore it is reasonable to expect them to dismantle it.

d and k kertesz 06-11-2020 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1781819)
I agree with you about some of this. I believe in showing things as they were or as people thought they were, even if wrong. (From what I hear, much of what Margaret Mitchell wrote about race relations was highly romanticized.) I loved “Song of the South” and the singing crows in “Dumbo.”

However, as a vet, you might like to consider this thought about the statues and military bases. Most of the Confederate generals went to West Point, and when they entered the U.S. Army, they swore solemn oaths to uphold and protect the United States of America. Then they broke their oaths, turned traitor, and took up arms against the country they had promised to protect and tried to destroy it. Why should we have these generals celebrated on our town squares? Why should traitors like Bragg and Pickett and Beauregard have their names on military bases? (And is it significant that there is no Camp Longstreet, given that he repented, became friends with Grant, and led African-American troops?)

Robert E. Lee is a distant relative of mine (through his wife), and I was born in Virginia, and some of my ancestors fought and even died for the South (though one was a captain under Sherman when they rode through Georgia). Even so, I think this is worth considering, on the basis of whether oaths matter.

Like taking an oath to uphold the Constitution!

BaylorBear 06-11-2020 08:45 AM

You might want to think that you now LIVE in a southern state.
 
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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1781760)
Statues of rebel soldiers are inappropriate in our parks and what not. They were traitors and should be vilified and not glorified. If you want them to serve as history lessons, put them in museums that teach about the horrors of slavery and what happens when people stress our differences more than what we have in common.

At one time the south was its own country. It no longer is, but it is still a part of their collective history. Try not to be quite so judgmental and unpleasant.

Jerry Leinsing 06-11-2020 08:47 AM

Answer the call.
 
I answered the call in 1966 and joined the NH Air National Guard while still in college. So that meant put of graduation and devote some time helping our country with the war effort...whether I agreed if we should be in this war or not. We were told we weren’t allowed to wear our uniforms off base and when we did people called us baby killers. I put in an extra year and came out in 1973. Even though I wore the uniform, had the Vietnam ribbon, and worked on the aircraft sending supplies over seas, I am not considered a Vet. The American Legion says I am not a vet...But thank you for your service. The Veterans Administration says I am not a vet but thank you for your service. Why? Not a day of Active Duty service on my DD214. What? Thank you for your service...now stop complaining. Inside I did my part...outside I am embarrassed. Hard to forget.

jimjamuser 06-11-2020 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1781690)
These statues belong in a museum in an exhibition about the slave trade and the Civil War. Maybe in an entire wing dedicated to what happens when you don't embrace differences.

Columbus is irrelevant. As has been pointed out for decades now, he didn't actually discover NORTH America at all. He never set foot on this continent and he has nothing to do with North American history.

That is a good post. I would like to add my opinion (worth 2 cents). Am agnostic about the statues. But like to add that it believed that the Vikings set foot on North America 1st. Also, Asian people crossed the land bridge (now the Bering Strait) into Alaska then to Ca., the West and then the east. Then became named Indians and redmen, and etc...blah..blah. So, my opinion is that they were the 1st.
The Vikings and the Indians had no one person like Columbus who could be commemorated with a statue. Plus he was European, which was the dominant area at the time. The History of America was written by the winning or dominate culture. So, US History picked one person to focus on and it was Columbus.

sloanst 06-11-2020 08:54 AM

Fine, tear down all of the statues, burn all of the books that reference the Civil War. Reduce that history to the spoke word only. Some generation in the future will relegate those stories as a myth on the level of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny because there would be no proof it ever occurred. Then the word "racist" will have no meaning and no power.

smacquart 06-11-2020 08:55 AM

Glorifying past atrocities and the men who made them is not the way to move forward, but we must never forget them in order for us to change for the better of our country. Please help toward making a better America. Thank you.

jimjamuser 06-11-2020 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bowlingal (Post 1781740)
will book burning be next?

A lot of what's happening today reminds me of the movie "Big Brother". Hate the Eurasians!!!!


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