[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by mraines

Don't forget the two politicians in Minnesota. No rioting, no burning, no flag at half mast.

They handled that very well in Minnesota. Kind of what I expected from living there for a little over five years.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

The assassination of Charlie Kirk is no different than the slaying of another partisan political speaker. Martin Luther King Jr. Two brave, passionate people peacefully trying to engage the citizenry to influence politics who were both slain by an assassins bullet in a public place.

Imagine discussion of that being curtailed and censored in 1968, upon which side of history would they have ended, how well would those actions have aged? How about discussions of 9/11?

Imagine public figures and people in authority (teachers, professionals, elected officials) mocking the death and cheering the murder of MLK Jr. Absolutely repulsive and disgusting.

I argue this topic is not about politics, it is about current events. No one is arguing about elections or abortions, Republicans vs Democrats, etc. This is a discussion about a very public assassination of a peaceful citizen expressing their opinions in a public place, a place noted especially for being a bastion of freedom of expression and freedom of thought and for encouraging debate - a college campus.

I don't see how you can equate Charlie Kirk with MLK. Martin Luther King was about inclusion, love and equal rights. Charlie Kirk was not about inclusion and certainly not equal rights.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

I would argue these issues largely started when the number of two-parent involved households declined, the removal of moral religious codes from schools became commonplace, and the rapid uncontrolled access to violent video games, movies, and pornography became commonplace.

Solutions to these tragic events start there, in my opinion. Secondary steps include the cessation of "My child is special, unique, and my best friend who can do whatever they want" mindsets (often fed by Montessori type education plans) coupled with the encouragement and fostering of a sense of community and reliance on one-another. Ya know, like scouting programs used to do until those were demonized as well.

What we are experiencing is the snowballed consequences of decades of policies. Policies that removed parents, citizenship, accountability, and religion from education programs and instead injected other, ummm, philosophies of individualism, elitism, nihilism, identity=everything thought, and Marxism.

Well, I personally do not want to go back to a time when blacks, gays and trans were not equal. I thought we had evolved but people like Charlie want us to go backward. I do not want your religion shoved down my throat.

[oldtimes]

It isn’t about politics and it isn’t about guns. How do these people get so deranged that they think it is ok to go out and kill people they don’t agree with.

[Taltarzac725]

The Golden Rule | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy


This was s a very interesting and useful article on the Golden Rule.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by mraines

I don't see how you can equate Charlie Kirk with MLK. Martin Luther King was about inclusion, love and equal rights. Charlie Kirk was not about inclusion and certainly not equal rights.

One can't equate them. Charlie was a wonderful man.

On the other hand despite his carefully manicured public image MLK was a notorious plagiarist and ... https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs...00020010-0.pdf

[NotGolfer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

They are not really comparable. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a leader known throughout the world. A great man.

I never heard of Charlie Kirk before yesterday. I know very little about him. I would need to see some transcripts of his interactions with students to see how much of a dialogue he was creating. Facts matter.


This thread is about the shooting of Charlie Kirk and its aftermath. A current event in the news quite a bit.

Yours is the second of where it's said, "I've never heard of Charlie Kirk until today".....I was somewhat taken a back as he's been in the news multiple times before this horrendous deed. Did I "follow" him...no.....but I do hold the same values. THIS was a horrible deed that affects all of us. I can't even think about the people who were there to see it. How does one un-see something like that. I'd read his wife was there too. Inexplicable to even comprehend!! Charlie has planted "seeds" that I hope will take deep roots and grow---both politically and spiritually---mostly spiritually.

[Tvflguy]

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[Howdy]

Once again a simple reminder without name a person or persons.

It all began in " 1996 "..it set in motion " The Master Plan " . Read my post above !

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by mraines

Well, I personally do not want to go back to a time when blacks, gays and trans were not equal. I thought we had evolved but people like Charlie want us to go backward. I do not want your religion shoved down my throat.

WHEN did Charlie EVER say this stuff???? I simply love how some here truly make things up or echo lies from "sources". It's irritating, destructive, and continues the HATE leading to violence.
Please respond with FACTS!!!!!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

Yours is the second of where it's said, "I've never heard of Charlie Kirk until today".....I was somewhat taken a back as he's been in the news multiple times before this horrendous deed. Did I "follow" him...no.....but I do hold the same values. THIS was a horrible deed that affects all of us. I can't even think about the people who were there to see it. How does one un-see something like that. I'd read his wife was there too. Inexplicable to even comprehend!! Charlie has planted "seeds" that I hope will take deep roots and grow---both politically and spiritually---mostly spiritually.

I do not watch FOX nor MSNBC. Usually just one of the nightly news stations at 6:30.

These shootings occur rather often now. Not sure what is different with this one? Maybe it is time to start doing something practical to curtail this violence. Practical steps. Pragmatism rather than fantaticism.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Howdy

Once again a simple reminder without name a person or persons.

It all began in " 1996 "..it set in motion " The Master Plan " . Read my post above !

That is absolutely ridiculous. The only master plan any of these politicians have is getting re-elected.

[Taltarzac725]

Charlie Kirk - Wikipedia


I did find this informative.


Killing of Charlie Kirk - Wikipedia

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

WHEN did Charlie EVER say this stuff???? I simply love how some here truly make things up or echo lies from "sources". It's irritating, destructive, and continues the HATE leading to violence.
Please respond with FACTS!!!!!

Mr. Kirk did make these kind of statements according to Wikipedia which usually links stuff to articles. Charlie Kirk - Wikipedia


But no words should result in the killing of another human being.

[kingofbeer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Mr. Kirk did make these kind of statements according to Wikipedia which usually links stuff to articles. Charlie Kirk - Wikipedia


But no words should result in the killing of another human being.

Judge Kirk by his own words and make your own judgement.

Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’ | Charlie Kirk shooting | The Guardian