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riley2011 06-15-2020 05:20 AM

Yes, it was justified.

crash 06-15-2020 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1784363)
He apparently brought it upon himself by grabbing the officers taser and things just esclated and in retribution the guys decided lets burn down a restaurant.

In retribution for killing someone a restaurant got torched And that is what you think is bad.

Go back to Tulsa Oklahoma 1921 the worst racial massacre in this country no arrests. This type of thing has been going on this country since it has been a country and you are surprised they have had enough.

crash 06-15-2020 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1784321)
Agreed but watch everyone now telling us what a good guy he was.

Good or bad he does not deserve to be dead for being intoxicated and sleeping in his car.

crash 06-15-2020 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1784326)
I find it strange that there is no information on the Internet about Rayshard Brooks' criminal record or the lack of one. Why?

If we looked up you would there be information on your criminal record or lack of.

dewilson58 06-15-2020 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by crash (Post 1784417)
Good or bad he does not deserve to be dead for being intoxicated and sleeping in his car.


Can't pick his lowest crime & make judgement.

kcrazorbackfan 06-15-2020 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1784288)
I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.

The B/A was administered; he blew .108; cuffs were being put on and that’s when the perp decided to do something really stupid - resist and grab the Officer’s taser.

When he turned and fired it towards the Officer, all the rules changed and deadly force was justified. They need to learn that if they point a weapon, they will get shot.

Jeff5115 06-15-2020 05:30 AM

I was taught that if a police officer tells you to do something follow the instructions. Unfortunately if the man had just followed instructions he would be alive and would have possibly been found guilty of a minor violation. I cant imagine the stress police officers are under each and every day. I had lots of job stress but I never had to worry that I might get killed on the job.

jacksonbrown 06-15-2020 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by crash (Post 1784414)
Go back to Tulsa Oklahoma 1921 the worst racial massacre in this country no arrests. This type of thing has been going on this country since it has been a country and you are surprised they have had enough.

Wow, you had to go back 99 years to find that piece of (maybe) fake news.

matandch 06-15-2020 05:33 AM

People keep saying “returned fire”. Returning fire with a gun vs taser isn’t a proportional response. None of the offenses the man committed are punishable by death.

diamond2005 06-15-2020 05:40 AM

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1784288]I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.
The guy was asleep in the drive-thru lane of the Wendy’s. He had passed out, drunk.
Knowing the area well, the owner of the Wendy’s was more than likely, black!

fishon 06-15-2020 05:52 AM

Brooks’ choice for fight and flight have to be driven by a long criminal record.

oneclickplus 06-15-2020 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1784339)
The suspect should not have resisted arrest for being .02 above the limit...but it shouldn't have been a death sentence.

The cop should not have shot someone in the back, while he was running away... when the cop's life was in no danger.

And NO, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon.

Why was the cop picking up his brass for 2 minutes...before he even went to the victim?

Maybe because he knew once the detectives figured out how far away the victim was, while running away...he would be in deep doo-doo?

And NO, this is NOT justification for citizen violence or property damage.

It (along with the posts we'll see here) does, however, show...exactly why black people across the nation are so angry.

A taser may not be lethal. But it is enough force to disable the LEO so that his lethal gun can then be taken. The stupid criminal fired the officer's weapon at him while fleeing. The operative word is "fired" (not fleeing). The shooting was justified and warranted and I am glad another stupid criminal of any color is off the streets permanently.

Of course, we will shortly hear about how he was just turning his life around and the young child he has. I'm sorry. The child is something HE should have been thinking about ... not me.

Bobby De 06-15-2020 06:01 AM

Police Incidents
 
The vast majority of these police shootings and aggressive police incidents all stem from no cooperation. No cooperation from the perpetrators. All people need to do is to be cooperative and just obey the officers commands. If you are asked to keep your hands on the steering wheel then keep your hands on the steering wheel; If you are asked to get down on your knees then just get down on your knees; If you are asked to keep your hands in the air then just keep your hands in the air. People just have to go from one command to another and cooperate and we wouldn't have these incidents. There is no doubt that the police are needed to maintain and enforce the freedoms and liberties that we in the US have. I also believe there is an underlying issue here as well. There is a fight for votes. I just hope that the law abiding, reasonable, thankful, grateful, knowledgeable citizens cast their votes because we know the other type will.

Tim Ringler 06-15-2020 06:09 AM

Better read it again. You missed a lot important facts. There was no need for this.

maggie1 06-15-2020 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1784359)
Resisting arrest here in Ohio is a misdemeanor offense unless the officer is put in major danger or the assailant has a deadly weapon. This will be investigated and I suspect the officer will be charged with something.

As a former state trooper from Ohio, I agree with your statement. From what I gleen from the newscast covering this incident, the man had fallen asleep in his car while in the take out lane. In my experince I found that the act of resisting arrest usually begins when the offender is being placed in handcuffs - at that point anything can happen, and in this case it did.

There are a number of options the police could have considered taking in this incident that wouldn't have resulted in the man's death. First, if they suspected he was under the influence, but hadn't seen him drive, they could have removed him from the vehicle, had it towed, and called someone to pick him up. As Steve notes, police are allowed to use deadly force only in those instances where deadly force is being used against them, or others. A stun gun doesn't fit that definition. If the officer had been struck by one of the stun gun electrodes, yes he could have become disabled, but don't forget, there was a second officer present, and the stun gun can only be used once.

So, I ask myself what would I have done if I had been faced with this situation? Based on my training on when to use and not use deadly force, my decision would not have resulted in someone dying. I would have known who he is, thus I could pick him up with a warrant later on, I'd have his car impounded, and it wouldn't be released until he gave himself up. What about the stun gun? Well, he might as well be carrying around a box of Q-Tips, because it is no longer of any use as a weapon to be fired at a distance.

I feel badly for the officer, and of course for the decedent as well. The officer was fired immediately, and that is not the way it should have played out. He could have been relieved of duty until all facts were presented, and then suspended/fired depending on the findings. My guess would be that he will be charged criminally, but will probably be found not guilty based on the totality of the circumstances.

Police work is confounding! It involves 80% of boredom, 15% of heart racing interactions, and 5% of adrenaline pumping terror. We must make instantanious decisions that will effect lives on both sides. We are second guessed, we are both admired and despised, but there is one thing that I can say without reservation, we don't start out a work shift looking to kill someone.


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