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ldivens 07-26-2020 08:35 AM
What to make of this? It might all be about power and money now, life was a lot different back then.

davem4616 07-26-2020 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by David Fletcher (Post 1808811)
It seems that some people continue to look for excuses to not accept that Covid-19 is a serious health threat.

The “Reds under the Bed” theory isn’t sound logical thought.

Covid-19 May or May not kill you however for certain if contracted it can leave serious after effects.

If you shop hard enough you can find pretty well any theory you want. Isn’t Elvis still alive!!

A rational person would take precautions and not want to spread the problem. It does not seem to me it attacking just right or Left thinkers.

Covid-19 doesn’t know your name your race your colour or your political thinking.

Be kind and stay safe.

Here, here! Spot on.

ldivens 07-26-2020 08:56 AM
I know of several people who never even took the test and were notified they were positive. They were in several different states. Most people at risk have co-morbidities which make this virus a real problem for them and they should take precautions all the time. The biggest problem with the covid-19 numbers is the money our government has allocated that encourages the cases and deaths to be "doctored" because of the "elective" surgery shutdown. There have been studies that indicate keeping healthy people locked up for long periods of time away from people their immune system to be compromised and can cause mental health issues. These people out of work are worried about feeding their families, yet hundreds of thousands are out there protesting, destroying small businesses and spreading the virus and killing even more people either with violence or covid-19.

SoCOLDinNY 07-26-2020 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 1808826)
I can never understand the fascination people have in trying to minimize this virus. You cannot really compare it to any other illness because it is a new virus and we don’t know everything about it. I was alive in 1957 and I think if 145,000 people had died in 4 1/2 months we would have heard something. This virus has cause damage in every organ in some people and unique issues in young children such as inflammation in their bodies. The highly contagious aspect of this virus from people with no symptoms is another unique factor.

I cannot understand the fascination people have in exploiting the virus as a death sentence. The next round of fear and anxiety will be centered around the vaccine.

Micki 07-26-2020 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by B-flat (Post 1808714)
My 2 cents I believe in 1957 people were tougher, there was no instant communications, the media reported news not created hysteria. I also believe people weren’t traveling as much or affluent as they are today. It adds up to a number of factors.
They were definitely tougher!

Micki 07-26-2020 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DeeCee Dubya (Post 1808802)
I called bull**** on this COVID-19 scare way back in March. Nothing more than a garden-variety flu virus.
Understand that the world economy was not destroyed by COVID-19. It was destroyed by the heavy-handed and alarmist restrictions applied by governments all over the world on their citizens.
And it is was done on purpose.

Micki 07-26-2020 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by papillon (Post 1808819)
As of today's CDC website:
Infected in US: 4,099,310
Deaths in US: 145,013
Mortality rate: 3.54%
Unfortunately it’s been proven the numbers are untrustworthy. People who went to have tests but left before actually being tested are being notified the test they did not take came out positive. People dying in accidents such as motorcycle related have Covid as the cause of death on their death certificates. In fact, most anyone who is positive for Covid, but dies for any reason, are going down as Covid deaths. People Have tested positive and then continued to get tested every other day until their tests come back negative. If they had seven tests each of those tests have been counted as a new infection. That’s seven new infections counted for one person! Finally, people who have had the unreliable test done nasally and had that test come out positive have also had blood tests for Covid, which are much more reliable, and had those tests come back negative. Just because you may have inhaled the virus doesn’t necessarily mean you are infected.

All of these things mentioned above show that we cannot trust the numbers being published, and that it’s a given that both the infection rates and death rates have been artificially inflated and do not reflect reality.

bobnyce 07-26-2020 09:20 AM
I am no scientist but shutting down the entire economy, except of course paying all government employees, is a very big step which has caused much unknown misery but not for government employees who stayed home and got full pay!!!!!! Wake up America and demand our politicians have the same rules and benefits as all of us, social security and medicare - not special everything that protects them and costs you!

airstreamingypsy 07-26-2020 09:21 AM
The 57 flu killed a lot more young people than covid, which kills mainly the old[/QUOTE]

Covid isn't finished killing. Why don't you wait til it's finished before you make projections.

DecaturFargo 07-26-2020 09:23 AM
Scientists are suggesting that October and November may be the deadliest yet. If that's the case, we will reach close to 300,000 deaths in the U.S.

Micki 07-26-2020 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1808845)
Our population has grown 92% since then. Can you imagine how horrible life would be in this country if our population is 633 million in 2083, or 1,216,500,000 in 2146? The world's biggest problem is population growth, not a pandemic. Both the U.S. population and the world's population has continued to grow right through this pandemic.
There are other people who think this way. Bill Gates, the guy who wants us all to take the vaccine when it comes out also wants to lower the population of the earth to half a billion people. There’s a little over 7.8 billion people right now, which means the man who wants to save our lives also wants to eliminate 7.3 billion of us. Isn’t that odd? Not to worry, I’m pretty certain that in a couple of years we’re going to start seeing a drastic population reduction. Hope you’re prepared for it, chances are you and I are not going to be part of the half a billion.

OETTING 07-26-2020 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1808727)
China wasn’t a factor either which keeps seeding the US
Please explain your post, and if able, offer evidence of your position.

omimom 07-26-2020 09:42 AM
Except - I just found this article that says a vaccine was ready by the time the 57 flu hit the US or we would have had MANY more deaths. Interesting - check it out.

Early Detection of the 1957 Flu Pandemic Helped Slow Its Spread - HISTORY

and another article estimating the death toll could have been over 1,000,000 had the vaccine not been ready-

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Maurice Hilleman and his colleagues at WRAIR identified a new influenza A virus, Type A2, Asian influenza, that caused a pandemic.

Hilleman noticed news reports of a severe influenza in Hong Kong. The number of cases and their description led him to think that a new type of influenza was emerging and that a pandemic threatened.

Hilleman and his team obtained a sample of the virus from a U.S. serviceman. They soon determined that most people lacked antibody protection from the new influenza virus. Only a few elderly people who had survived the influenza pandemic of 1889-1890 showed antibody response to the new virus.

Hilleman jump-started vaccine production by sending virus samples to manufacturers and urging them to develop the vaccine in four months. Worldwide, from 1957-1958, about 2 million people died from Asian flu, with about 70,000 deaths in the United States. Some predicted that the U.S. death toll would have reached 1 million without the vaccine that Hilleman called for. Health officials widely credited that vaccine with saving many lives.

JimJohnson 07-26-2020 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1808743)
According to this the 1957 Asian Flu killed between 70,000 and 115,000 people in the U.S. This is a very good accounting of how they developed the vaccine. Covid-19 as of yesterday had killed 148,000 Americans.

Early Detection of the 1957 Flu Pandemic Helped Slow Its Spread - HISTORY
That’s a fact that debunks this OP,s thread. Why do some want this Covid 19 to be downplayed. Covid is in its early stages and is already far more deadly than the 1957 flu. If this Covid would have been taken seriously in Mar, maybe, but under the current handling, it is a disaster.

OhioBuckeye 07-26-2020 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1808711)
Francois Balloux is the Director of the UCL Genetics Institute,[1] and a Professor of Computational Systems Biology at University College London. Together with his colleague Dr Lucy Van Dorp, they led a team of researchers in the analysis of the first large-scale analysis of 7666 complete SARS-Cov-2 genomes, the agent of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Balloux recently compared the Covid 19 pandemic of 2020 to the 1957 flu. I was just a little tyke at that time and don't remember anything about it. But if you read articles about it, apparently the world did not go into a frenzy of panic. Life went on. Maybe we were tougher then.

Infection Fatality Rate

1957 Flu 0.67%
2020 Covid 0.65% (CDC number)

Stats for both for the whole World, UK and USA with deaths per million. Balloux estimates total deaths for USA will be 220,000, we are at 148,462 today. Deaths per day in USA are currently about 1000 per day, I think this will start going down in a month if this new surge of cases gets us to herd immunity threshold. We'll see.

Deaths per million are very similar for both diseases in UK and USA, but the 57 flu killed a lot more people per capita in the world than covid 19 has so far. Covid 19 would need to kill about 3 million people worldwide to equal the deaths per million rate of 57 flu. (current world total is 641,889) If the low herd immunity threshold theory is correct I doubt this will happen, as there are many places in the world that seem to have reached it. We'll see.

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I hear what you’re saying but if the people that had the flu wouldn’t or couldn’t go out & throwing up every which stitch & the people that my have Covid19 may not know they have it but may or will give it to people that may react to it differently. Just me but I would rather get the flu & be throwing up for a couple of days than being quarantined for 10 to 14 days or worse. COVID 19 been here for 6 to 7 months, flu last a month, maybe 2 months. I was 10 yrs. old in 57 & had the flu but I was fortunate & was only out of school for 1 week because I had the stomach flu & the Hershey Squirts! But you are right, but remember we didn’t have the medicines we have now. Wear a mask & keep your distant.


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