[rsmurano]

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

[MrChip72]

Of course the website is called "truthpress.com". Most of us recently have noticed a pattern where anything with the word "truth" in front of it is usually full of BS.

Hilarious that the article quotes "They give evidence", but then doesn't provide any evidence at all.

[Two Bills]

According to Truth, it seems Ford are now losing $70000 per EV, which is just about double the last anti-EV thread suggested.

"The only way is up, Baby!"

[Bill14564]

There are 20 pages of the Bennett study and 120+ pages of the Argonne study to read and digest but a few things struck me right from the start:

• - The Bennett study adds the Federal and State rebates onto the price of the EV though there is no indication they were subtracted from the price being used
• - The Bennett study adds transmission and distribution costs even though those costs are actually being collected by the electric company (check your bill)
• - The Bennett study has three costs, including CAFE credits, that are "Costs to Buyers of Gasoline Vehicles," totaling $27,800. If these numbers are accurate then subtracting them from the price of the ICE and HEV models would mean the auto makers would give us the car for free with a $1,000 check sitting on the seat.

Again, there are nearly 150 pages to read and digest but something about the Truth seems a bit dishonest.

[dewilson58]

Did I miss it?????.....................Was it converted to cost per mile over the life of the car???
(easier for comparison)

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Did I miss it?????.....................Was it converted to cost per mile over the life of the car???
(easier for comparison)

Both the Bennett report that Truth mentions and the Argonne report that is being "corrected" calculate cost per mile over a 10yr/120Kmi life.

I had to google to find the Bennett (bennett texas ev study overcharged) and it had a link to the Argonne.

[retiredguy123]

This study is so confusing, that I don't know where to start. My first thought is that EV owners don't pay anything for gasoline because their vehicle doesn't use gasoline. So, who cares about the price of gasoline? And, the cost for gasoline for an ICE vehicle is nowhere near the total cost to operate the vehicle. Here is the math:

120,000 miles/25 mpg = 4,800 gallons x $3.50/gallon = $16,800 (which is only 14 cents per mile)

Also, the study seems to calculate the cost of Government subsidies for EVs, but what about the cost for subsidies for ICE vehicles?

[ThirdOfFive]

Well, as Mark Twain so astutely observed, there are three classes of untruths: "Lies, damned lies and statistics". IMO of the three, statistics are the worst, because they can be interpreted (or twisted, more to the point) to say anything the person wants them to say. In a statistics class way back when, I once proved that 79% of college students where I was attending approved of abortion as a form of birth control. I also proved that 82% of the college students where I was attending OPPOSED abortion as a form of birth control. So there you go.

After a bewildering series of clicks all I could really deduce is that it costs the owner of the vehicle about three cents more per mile driven for a gasoline vehicle than for an electric one. That's what hits the consumer's pocketbook: it says nothing about Government rebates, incentives, etc. affecting the producer, carrier or retailer of the product (electricity or hydrocarbon) in question. I choose gasoline because it is a whole lot easier to gas up when on the road than to charge up, and if the unthinkable happens and I end with a dry tank or discharged battery, it is a much more efficient to call road service and get enough gas delivered to make the next station than it is a battery charge. Probably cheaper too.

[Rylee]

Can anybody just tell me what it cost them to charge their car at a charging station?

[tophcfa]

Bottom line is that you can’t put a price on driving range and the speed/convenience of reloading the vehicles power source. We need our vehicles to be able to get us between our two homes, which are 1,350 miles apart, without worries and time consuming hassles. Also, if we get stuck in bad traffic, we want to be able to heat/cool our vehicles interior space without worrying about depleting our power source.

[Topspinmo]

Maybe it’s the cost to make EVs and energy used to recharge them? No vehicle can be made without natural resources, crud oil being major part. We will never remove curd oil from the equation’s. The only efficient way to produce electricity hydroelectric and nuclear For world consumption. Sure wind and solar with contribution little? Little being the point.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

This study is so confusing, that I don't know where to start. My first thought is that EV owners don't pay anything for gasoline because their vehicle doesn't use gasoline. So, who cares about the price of gasoline? And, the cost for gasoline for an ICE vehicle is nowhere near the total cost to operate the vehicle. Here is the math:

120,000 miles/25 mpg = 4,800 gallons x $3.50/gallon = $16,800 (which is only 14 cents per mile)

Also, the study seems to calculate the cost of Government subsidies for EVs, but what about the cost for subsidies for ICE vehicles?

Don’t pay yet. That will change when majority drive electric 20 years after I’m dead.

[drbales]

When we were parked in a garage in downtown Winter Garden several weeks ago the charging station cost there was 37 cents per minute.

[kkingston57]

How many studies are truly independent? Bet even Consumer Reports does have some biases.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by drbales

When we were parked in a garage in downtown Winter Garden several weeks ago the charging station cost there was 37 cents per minute.

I was under the impression that you pay by the KWh when using public chargers?

In any event, I have a Tesla Model 3 UpNorth and my electric bill went up, on average, around $25/month, which is way less than what I was spending on gasoline. I drive maybe 50 miles/day on average.

Half of the electric bill is BS fixed charges that are unrelated to usage.