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I hope that those who are so vocal about this don't have to suffer the loss of a child to covid to make them believe this pandemic needs to be dealt with as strongly as possible.
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Link 1: A poorly designed study with too many unknown behavior variables: They found a diference of a whopping 0.3% between mask and no mask. Link 2: Quote: Overall, evidence from RCTs and observational studies is informative, but not compelling on its own. None of the studies looked specifically at cloth masks. Therefore, we should not be surprised to find that there is no RCT for the impact of masks on community transmission of any respiratory infection in a pandemic. Link 3: Yikes! The eleven sources listed in in the left-most column in the table, four list outcomes beginning with the word, “Estimated….” Another three sources, different from the four I just mentioned, describe interventions as, “Self-reporting….” “Self-reporting” and “Estimated” are not terms I associate with objective, replicable data. Google tip: If you search for "studies that show masks work" you won't see something like this: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data Dr. Brosseau is a national expert on respiratory protection and infectious diseases and professor (retired), University of Illinois at Chicago. Dr. Sietsema is also an expert on respiratory protection and an assistant professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data | CIDRAP If the science is over your head. just look at some graphs that show real world results Hawaii is an island, can control incoming travel, has had the longest lockdown of any state, and has over 80% mask compliance. More graphs showing covid vs masks. Covid keeps winning https://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/67...LY_BRADLEY.pdf |
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Whatever the imposition or infringement on their freedoms, it seems to me to leave the decision on wearing a mask to school for kids and their parents invites trouble. Let's just error on the side of safety until this virus is gone. Freedom requires sacrifice some times. Let's just get rid of this virus.
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No, no. How many times do I have to tell you it is the tin foil hats?
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Why yes, the outcome of an scientific evidence based discussion on the ability of cloth masks to deter aerosol virus is very predictable.
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Would not want to be the parent that lost child after child went to school without mask and died from covid.,,, keep in mind folks, kids have no problem with mask, only parents.
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Fair enough - I should have worded that differently.
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That's what I like about Florida, it's your choice. You can ride a motorcycle without a helmet if you choose not to, it's your head right ?So it's also your choice to wear a mask.... it's all about freedom.
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Thanks a lot. While everyone is politicking they striped the cart paths.
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Riding a motorcycle without a helmet doesn't spread a contagious and deadly disease. The only person it CAN hurt is the driver of the motorcycle.
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And freedom doesn’t help much when your head hits the pavement.
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I'm still looking over the papers referenced in the report. Oddly, the one at the bottom, "the world's only randomized trial," presents data that seems to show masks work for coronavirus. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals. Now this study was looking at surgical masks and not cloth masks and the sample size was small. I can't figure out why the author of the larger paper included it as if it supported his position. Thanks for forwarding this, it is interesting reading.
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Why do people insist on making claims without looking them up first, do they really think no one will check? Proof by emphatic assertion rarely works. Confirmation bias is real; I can find any number of articles that say so. Victor, NY Randallstown, MD Yakima, WA Stevensville, MD Village of Hillsborough |
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A recent pooled analysis of two earlier trials comparing medical masks ( surgical) and N95 filtering facepiece respirators with controls (no protection) found that healthcare workers continuously wearing N95 FFRs were 54% less likely to experience respiratory viral infections than controls (P = 0.03), while those wearing medical masks were only 12% less likely than controls (P = 0.48; result is not significantly different from zero) A randomized trial comparing the effect of medical (surgical) and cloth masks on healthcare worker illness found that those wearing cloth masks were 13 times more likely to experience influenza-like illness than those wearing medical masks.38 So cloth masks are completely worthless, and surgical masks statistically no different than zero compared to N95. These data suggest that surgical masks worn by the public will have no or very low impact on disease transmission during a pandemic. All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs A cloth mask or face covering does very little to prevent the emission or inhalation of small particles. As discussed in an earlier CIDRAP commentary and more recently by Morawska and Milton (2020) in an open letter to WHO signed by 239 scientists, inhalation of small infectious particles is not only biologically plausible, but the epidemiology supports it as an important mode of transmission for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. PS As far as the graphs showing cases versus when mask mandates were issued is not an RCT study. But it is real world data. I doubt you can find a country or state anywhere where surges in cases were stopped by masks mandates. All you need to do is look up a case graph for any location, and then google when they mandated masks and look what happened after. Except for N95, they just don't work. N95 masks are cheap now, advise you use one when you are indoors with other people. And they are not bulletproof. |
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Put all the maskless children in their own classrooms and let them infect each other. Keep them away from the children wearing masks.
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