[sloanst]

Tell that to people that died in a motorcycle accident but were listed as Covid deaths. My aunt had Alzheimer's for years and died at 90. But you guessed it. She was listed as a Covid death. Most of the people that die with Covid had other serious morbidity factors. Only about 6% of the people with Covid actually died from Covid alone. The rest had other health problems, forget about the age of those that have died. Bottom line, the numbers are hyped to create fear. Thank the media.

[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by Skunky1

Yes ,contact tracing is needed to find who infected our president

This won't happen because the follow-on effort would track how many people were infected by the president. Don't ask, don't tell. Isn't that the famous mantra?

[kendi]

Originally Posted by olliedog1950

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

And this is relevant how?

[irish2468]

This is just a ridiculous thread...Statistical value? I don't think so.

[Edcarney]

Many of the Covid deaths were fabricated. For example if your died in a car wreck and had Covid they reported it as a Covid death. Don’t fall for the propaganda

[doodles]

The number of deaths from flu in 2018-2019 flu season was 34,200

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by Dgizzi

Yes but you failed to mention how many “false” positive test results. We are not getting the “true” numbers. And if a person tested positive they go back and get tested again in a week and still positive, it was counted AGAIN. And shouldn’t be. I noticed you didn’t have figures for any other pandemics, like the Swine Flu?

Actually, false negatives are much more prevalent than false positives. It is a big problem with the Abbott rapid test.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Originally Posted by Edcarney

Many of the Covid deaths were fabricated. For example if your died in a car wreck and had Covid they reported it as a Covid death. Don’t fall for the propaganda

Sounds like a plausible defense in a murder trial.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, yes, my client stabbed, beat, shot, and poisoned Mr Magoo. However, none of those actions caused his death....it was Covid.

[jebartle]

And its not through YET!

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by olliedog1950

i took at look at major united states wars and compared those deaths to covid-19, no comparison, covid-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 americans died 502 deaths a month
korea lasted 37 months 36,574 americans died, 988 deaths a month
wwii lasted 45 months 405,399 americans died, 9,009 a month
wwi lasted 19 months 116,516 americans died, 6,132 a month
the civil war lasted 48 months confederate and u.s. Total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
the american revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 americans died 44 a month
looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting america.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 covid-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% department of veteran's affairs, john hopkins university & medicine
let's be safe out there!

the war deaths were young men in the prime of their lives cut down by warfare. They had every desire to live full lives.
Covid deaths have been attributed to many groups of elderly, nursing homes etc
i suggest you recalculate the deaths of war heroes vs those who were 45 and younger and died solely from covid .
Session over

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

It is a weaponized virus developed at a laboratory in China, no doubt to kill people, which is what it is doing.

And even IF true, how would I change my life to take that into consideration?

[jmkeyzers]

I just don’t understand comparing deaths in war to deaths from a health pandemic. It’s just not a comparison that makes any sense. Also the deaths from COVID are extremely hard to quantify. People are dying with it not from it but they count them all the same. It is political and financial reasons for the numbers. No one can deny this.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

According to the CDC ( which has not walked this back) , about 6600 people have actually died FROM Sars Cov2. The 207,000 number comes from death stats which list people who died WITH covid19, not from it. Do some data digging and look at the change in deaths from heart attacks, pneumonia , flu, etc.from 2019 to now. They are all down because hospitals are coding these patients as having covid 19 regardless of when or how they got it or whether it was even a factor in their death.

The US had 18% GREATER deaths during the CV period this year than the average deaths for the same period in other years. That increase can be attributed to CV . Therefore, the REAL number of CV deaths today is probably 270,000. In case someone thinks that this is not possible - compare it with other countries. Mexico is up 62% - that makes sense because Mexico does not have hospitals as good as the US. Peru has a 150% increase.

Now the clincher!!!! - Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, S.Korea, and Thailand have had a ZERO INCREASE - NONE - And now their people are leading normal lives. Why? I am guessing that it is because of National Health Care. There certainly could be other factors.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jmkeyzers

I just don’t understand comparing deaths in war to deaths from a health pandemic. It’s just not a comparison that makes any sense. Also the deaths from COVID are extremely hard to quantify. People are dying with it not from it but they count them all the same. It is political and financial reasons for the numbers. No one can deny this.

See post 59 for the answer. Or, at least, more clarity.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Pamelah

The difference: There are flu vaccinations, there are none for Covid. Does that tell us that millions of people aren’t vaccinated for the flu, get sick and die? Kinda like non mask wearers? It would be interesting to know how many of those flu deaths occurred in non vaccinated folks. Kinda like non mask folk.

The CDC in 2019 published a report on research into whether masks provided any protection from the Flu virus. The conclusion was, NO! This report can easily be extrapolated to covid. Also. with our current level of treatments, the death rate for those 70-75 is now .006 per thousand, less than the Flu.

Full disclosure: Despite the above I do wear a mask when in a store just to avoid the frowns or outright anger and because I think masks do provide a slight barrier to blocking someone else's germs and sneezes. And I do get a flu shot every year.