[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The US had 18% GREATER deaths during the CV period this year than the average deaths for the same period in other years. That increase can be attributed to CV . Therefore, the REAL number of CV deaths today is probably 270,000. In case someone thinks that this is not possible - compare it with other countries. Mexico is up 62% - that makes sense because Mexico does not have hospitals as good as the US. Peru has a 150% increase.

Now the clincher!!!! - Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, S.Korea, and Thailand have had a ZERO INCREASE - NONE - And now their people are leading normal lives. Why? I am guessing that it is because of National Health Care. There certainly could be other factors.

Please provide your source for the first comments.

As to your second paragraph, not completely true. All have seen upticks but none of those countries totally locked down like us with the exception of South Korea and that did not help at all. FYI, life is back to normal in Sweden and they never locked down.

And I seriously doubt that nationalized health care would have contributed to ANY decrease.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Please provide your source for the first comments.

As to your second paragraph, not completely true. All have seen upticks but none of those countries totally locked down like us with the exception of South Korea and that did not help at all. FYI, life is back to normal in Sweden and they never locked down.

And I seriously doubt that nationalized health care would have contributed to ANY decrease.

Source...NY Times morning read available free on-line.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by doodles

The number of deaths from flu in 2018-2019 flu season was 34,200

The population of the US in 1920 was approximately 106 million vs roughly 330 million now. The only statistic that means anything is the per capita rate.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The US had 18% GREATER deaths during the CV period this year than the average deaths for the same period in other years. That increase can be attributed to CV . Therefore, the REAL number of CV deaths today is probably 270,000. In case someone thinks that this is not possible - compare it with other countries. Mexico is up 62% - that makes sense because Mexico does not have hospitals as good as the US. Peru has a 150% increase.

Now the clincher!!!! - Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, S.Korea, and Thailand have had a ZERO INCREASE - NONE - And now their people are leading normal lives. Why? I am guessing that it is because of National Health Care. There certainly could be other factors.

You are behind times on Europe. In Germany the government is shutting down everything again due to a rise in the infection rate. Other European countries are following suit also. The governments eased travel restrictions and travelers were bringing the virus back home after their vacations.

[Decadeofdave]

Originally Posted by olliedog1950

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

You neglected to mention the yearly flu deaths for the last ........forever

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Footer

Flu deaths have been in the range of 20,000 - 60,000 a year but will probably be much lower this year with all the social distancing and mask wearing.

This virus is not in China's best interests. They need a strong dollar and weak RMB so they can continue to export their products and maintain jobs for their people. They are not stupid enough to intentionally try to kill or ruin all their customers.

And don't forget they own a trillion dollars of our debt.

So why are creating weaponized viruses?

[graciegirl]

Covid-19 Global Live Tracker - The New York Times

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So why are creating weaponized viruses?

This bears repeating;

Coronavirus Rumor Mill Rampant With Bogus News

[MaxCat]

Yes, very serious stuff. Be smart -- wear a mask. And demand our leaders be a little less reckless and show a little more empathy for those who have suffered and/or lost loved ones. And demand they stop discounting the older Americans who are more seriously affected by this -- just because someone is older doesn't mean their family and friends love them any less or would not be heartbroken to lose them sooner than later.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Source...NY Times morning read available free on-line.

Ohh Kaay. Let us know when you have a credible source please.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

According to the CDC ( which has not walked this back) , about 6600 people have actually died FROM Sars Cov2. The 207,000 number comes from death stats which list people who died WITH covid19, not from it. Do some data digging and look at the change in deaths from heart attacks, pneumonia , flu, etc.from 2019 to now. They are all down because hospitals are coding these patients as having covid 19 regardless of when or how they got it or whether it was even a factor in their death.

That is correct, and not wrong for several reasons:
1 - hospitals don't make up the report requirements, the states and federal government does. So stop blaming hospitals
2 - medical records have a field for cause of death. The clinical cause of death may not have the source for the cause known. With limited testing in the beginning of the pandemic, there was no way to test for covid, but the clinical observed signs pointed to covid sars 2. but at the same time, there were strokes which killed people, and there was no way to know if covid caused the stroke or not. Still now, there are some clear cut patients who didn't die of covid, but were treated with ppe because they had covid, and were reimbursed for treating that patient, regardless of the cause of death being covid or not.
3 - governments reimbursed hospitals for covid patients as having covid patients required more expense for ppe. If the government didn't reimburse for the number of covid patients, hospitals would be bankrupt, or your insurance company would raise everyones' rates astronomically. So be thankful that the government reimbursed hospitals for the extra protection needed based on the number of covid patients treated.

4 - don't assume that the medical field is all knowing at the beginning of something new. The medical field of today has benefited from years of research and trials and testing. For something new, such as a vaccine, to be safe and effective, years of testing will be needed, but in the hospital with something new such as this, they will start with something they know as presented, and treat from there, and learn from failures.

Most hospitals care, want great outcomes, and being run and manned by humans, will make mistakes. But you better believe that we have much better health care system than most of the world, but the rest of the world has caught up from our willingness to educate them in our universities, and research in our universities. Many unseen parts of the medical field have worked together in this pandemic, such that the treatments and testing today have been developed in record time, and now are more sensitive than ever.

So you can be critical of health care all you want and reporting from your own little chair, but you will be thankful if you ever have to use the medical services which continue to be perfected and they don't go bankrupt when you might need it.

sportsguy

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

You are behind times on Europe. In Germany the government is shutting down everything again due to a rise in the infection rate. Other European countries are following suit also. The governments eased travel restrictions and travelers were bringing the virus back home after their vacations.

Darn we better stock up on toilet paper.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by sloanst

Tell that to people that died in a motorcycle accident but were listed as Covid deaths. My aunt had Alzheimer's for years and died at 90. But you guessed it. She was listed as a Covid death. Most of the people that die with Covid had other serious morbidity factors. Only about 6% of the people with Covid actually died from Covid alone. The rest had other health problems, forget about the age of those that have died. Bottom line, the numbers are hyped to create fear. Thank the media.

I just read a post on the thread about removing homes in the historic side. That post wanted us to look up "affirmatively furthering fair housing".

When I am confused by a post I generally look back on past posts.

I don't understand this one any better than the one you just posted.

Could you explain further, either or both?

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So why are creating weaponized viruses?

The virus escaped from a lab near Wuhan where they were experimenting with weaponized viruses. Some so called fact checkers say it actually came from a market in Wuhan. But that market was reopened after disinfecting and no one from that market was treated for covid 19. Draw your own conclusions.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I just read a post on the thread about removing homes in the historic side. That post wanted us to look up "affirmatively furthering fair housing".

When I am confused by a post I generally look back on past posts.

I don't understand this one any better than the one you just posted.

Could you explain further, either or both?

Not sure you are referring to a thread I started a few days ago called “Goodbye Historic Side” that was deleted by the mods because I didn’t reveal my “source”. My “source” was documents the developer presented to the commissioners a about a week ago
allowing for rezoning single family home areas to multi family home areas. The second “source” was from a Daily Sun article last week, I think , that the developer wanted to revitalize the area north of 44. Since the developer was buying up older mobile homes the possibility of replacing a group of them with apartments seemed to be a possibility. The developer is playing his cards close to his vest, can’t blame him, but I THINK there will be some surprises. Of course the usual disclaimer “your results may vary.”