[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by mneumann02

So many mis-statements. It is not the media who are driving this, it is the deniers, the non-maskers, the people who gather in large groups and don't social distance, the people who believe this pandemic is no worse than the flu, the people who think they know more than medical professionals, and the people who think 500,000 U.S. Covid deaths is acceptable. They are the people spreading this. And it is most dangerous for people over 65. I do agree, I'm sick of this pandemic too.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Careyjan;1898225[B

]I know several people in The Villages that have tested positive with no symptoms.[/B] They are part of the scary statistics. Yes, some people get very sick but many have few if any symptoms.

And I also know of ONE that tested negative twice when she had all the symptoms and her husband, daughter and son had the virus and tested positive. Can't trust the test, just treat the symptoms. The "test" is not always TRUE, more like sort of a litmus test if that.

[Byte1]

"I disagree with everything there." -- a comment on my post.......

That is your prerogative.
So you disagree with "wear a mask or don't wear a mask?"
You disagree with "go out or cower in your home?"
Or is it that you just don't like it?

Or do you disagree with the idea that it is not my responsibility to take care of you? Well, it is not and I have seen no law (YET) that indicates any responsibility on my part to coddle folks that do not wish to keep their distance from me. Once I get the second shot, I will wait the supposed requisite time for my immunity and then I will not be wearing a mask except in stores that post a requirement. I may purchase a T shirt that says "Stay six feet away from me for your own protection" which will be the same as posting a "NO TRESPASSING" sign on my property. If anyone wishes to protect themselves, they have a choice of getting the shot or wearing a mask. Otherwise, don't count on others to watch out for you. Too many people in this world anyway, so getting rid of the weak is nature's way of thinning the herd.
I do believe in charity, but demanding charity from someone is called extortion or a tax if the gov. does it.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.

Thank You for speaking up! The mask mania makes me uneasy when I see what goes on! Now more and more masks laying on empty lots here in the villages, parking lots, and blown up against fences and barriers. I take very long walks daily and gradually I realized how often now I see this. Yesterday I noticed quite a bit of littering from used masks in the parking area of a sheltered senior residence establishment. I've always thought about the false sense of security that just doing something, anything, gives to people? There is much to be said for anything that gives people emotional comfort in a time of panic, but I also think often about the pitfalls of self delusion ! I question if it was a positive or a negative to urge people to don home made masks and have them believe it will protect them and others, yet the alternative is mass panic so those in government must say anything to prevent that ! Also doubt most people remember what they learned in high school and college lab courses about viruses, bacteria, the differences in spread, load,etc. A true N95 (a LOT of immitations) is very difficult to obtain. People run around thinking anything is better than nothing...possibly could stop some actual large water drop of a sneeze but on the whole, as you point out, this is a VIRUS, wish more people were better educated on this as you related also. People should have gotten a clue when Fauci Send ordinary citizens don't need masks, then said people should wear little cotton homemade masks in an effort to stop the spread, then said two or three masks are better than one while also saying the fabrics in such things as gators, bandanas, etc. are no protection, the very same fabrics all of these homemade and routine food worker type masks are made from; interesting. Then A few very observant people notice That those on television announcing how to protect oneself, wear N95's covered with fashion masks, to match each dress and pant suit of some (women), and black stretch fabric like the exact stretch fabric of a fishing/beach gator.....really ? There is a great deal to be sa id about giving the masses something to do that makes them feel they are protecting themselves it does help governments control side spread panic, but at the same time, there can be many risks, serious unanticipated consequences, when the masses realize they have been duped. Not good situation either. You are so right, it is amazing and worrisome how few really understand even the basics of viruses and none of us know all. The virus is real, don't think that's what people think any more now that most have know someone who died, but the misinformation is at epic levels now and that will certainly not help. Unfortunately vaccines could be the same, we may all fell a false sense of security and unfortunately only time will tell. Anyone else remember the polio debaucle, the death and children paralyzed by faulty vaccine ? I remember how we didn't get to attend the state fair for a couple years due to my parents apprehensions. It was a frightening time and the first vaccine attempts that ended so tragically only served to alarm my parents and others in our community even more !

[circletrack]

What an alarming thread to read. I truly hope no one here experiences the loss of a loved one, or sees a friend fight for their lives as many of us have. To the woman earlier who lost her husband, I offer my condolences. I’m afraid many of the “deniers” will not open their eyes until something tragic happens. I pray for everyone...

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by WinnieHa

So many seem to think their expertise is superior to that of the CDC. It is still a CDC recommendation to wear a mask. The rest of the world thinks we’ve lost our minds on this. I continue to have absolutely no problem wearing a mask and find this discussion so tiresome.... but ironically not tiresome enough not to respond. 😆

The CDC recommends wearing a mask until they DON'T recommend it. They are political and folks ought to fact check anything they say. My opinion, but like everything that comes from any government, I prefer to fact check with multiple sources as well as common sense. I am not a conspiracy nut but until the government tells us the truth about how this thing came about, I am skeptical of anything that comes from D.C.

Suspicious or coincident facts:
Over four years ago, our gov gave a large amount of money to the Wu Han lab. For what? Who ever heard of that place before the China virus?
A couple years ago, a Chinese national was caught in an U.S. airport in possession of a suspicious bio hazard vial. No details available.
Not suspicious but interesting:
This vaccination has been in development for several years, for SARs(?), etc.?

Explain this:
The stockpile of PPE was depleted at the beginning of this pandemic. Why? How?
Why is it that with the worldwide contagion running rampant, the CDC knew very little about it? Someone dropped the ball?
Why is it that some podunk town with a very small population was full of infection, yet some of us run around with not a care in the world, not taking any precautions and for the past year plus, not a sniffle or cough? On the other hand, those taking complete care and adamant PPE practicing, catch the deathly infection.......how?

Just throwing out some questions, not really caring if anyone responds. Since everyone wants to debate masks and vaccinations, I thought maybe some would wish to know the reasoning for all of this. Animal market? Sure, and I have some ocean front land in Arizona that I will sell you. A leak from the lab? Sure, and the whole world was instantly infected. Not even nuclear fallout spreads that fast.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

Thank You for speaking up! The mask mania makes me uneasy when I see what goes on! Now more and more masks laying on empty lots here in the villages, parking lots, and blown up against fences and barriers. I take very long walks daily and gradually I realized how often now I see this. Yesterday I noticed quite a bit of littering from used masks in the parking area of a sheltered senior residence establishment. I've always thought about the false sense of security that just doing something, anything, gives to people? There is much to be said for anything that gives people emotional comfort in a time of panic, but I also think often about the pitfalls of self delusion ! I question if it was a positive or a negative to urge people to don home made masks and have them believe it will protect them and others, yet the alternative is mass panic so those in government must say anything to prevent that ! Also doubt most people remember what they learned in high school and college lab courses about viruses, bacteria, the differences in spread, load,etc. A true N95 (a LOT of immitations) is very difficult to obtain. People run around thinking anything is better than nothing...possibly could stop some actual large water drop of a sneeze but on the whole, as you point out, this is a VIRUS, wish more people were better educated on this as you related also. People should have gotten a clue when Fauci Send ordinary citizens don't need masks, then said people should wear little cotton homemade masks in an effort to stop the spread, then said two or three masks are better than one while also saying the fabrics in such things as gators, bandanas, etc. are no protection, the very same fabrics all of these homemade and routine food worker type masks are made from; interesting. Then A few very observant people notice That those on television announcing how to protect oneself, wear N95's covered with fashion masks, to match each dress and pant suit of some (women), and black stretch fabric like the exact stretch fabric of a fishing/beach gator.....really ? There is a great deal to be sa id about giving the masses something to do that makes them feel they are protecting themselves it does help governments control side spread panic, but at the same time, there can be many risks, serious unanticipated consequences, when the masses realize they have been duped. Not good situation either. You are so right, it is amazing and worrisome how few really understand even the basics of viruses and none of us know all. The virus is real, don't think that's what people think any more now that most have know someone who died, but the misinformation is at epic levels now and that will certainly not help. Unfortunately vaccines could be the same, we may all fell a false sense of security and unfortunately only time will tell. Anyone else remember the polio debaucle, the death and children paralyzed by faulty vaccine ? I remember how we didn't get to attend the state fair for a couple years due to my parents apprehensions. It was a frightening time and the first vaccine attempts that ended so tragically only served to alarm my parents and others in our community even more !

So, vaccines and masks are to be suspected of not being effective or actually causing harm just because of somethings that went wrong way back in the early polio days. Medical science has "come a long way baby" since then.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Byte1

The CDC recommends wearing a mask until they DON'T recommend it. They are political and folks ought to fact check anything they say. My opinion, but like everything that comes from any government, I prefer to fact check with multiple sources as well as common sense. I am not a conspiracy nut but until the government tells us the truth about how this thing came about, I am skeptical of anything that comes from D.C.

Suspicious or coincident facts:
Over four years ago, our gov gave a large amount of money to the Wu Han lab. For what? Who ever heard of that place before the China virus?
A couple years ago, a Chinese national was caught in an U.S. airport in possession of a suspicious bio hazard vial. No details available.
Not suspicious but interesting:
This vaccination has been in development for several years, for SARs(?), etc.?

Explain this:
The stockpile of PPE was depleted at the beginning of this pandemic. Why? How?
Why is it that with the worldwide contagion running rampant, the CDC knew very little about it? Someone dropped the ball?
Why is it that some podunk town with a very small population was full of infection, yet some of us run around with not a care in the world, not taking any precautions and for the past year plus, not a sniffle or cough? On the other hand, those taking complete care and adamant PPE practicing, catch the deathly infection.......how?

Just throwing out some questions, not really caring if anyone responds. Since everyone wants to debate masks and vaccinations, I thought maybe some would wish to know the reasoning for all of this. Animal market? Sure, and I have some ocean front land in Arizona that I will sell you. A leak from the lab? Sure, and the whole world was instantly infected. Not even nuclear fallout spreads that fast.

You do know all this is going to fall on deaf ears don't ya?
I applaud your effort

[stebooo]

If this is true why vaccinate? Seriously. Is there something else at play here?. I think so

[terrild53]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

Yes, this virus is no diff than other flus you get vaccines for. It never proposed to insulate you against the virus, you were just open to a milder case and you can spread it.

Covid IS “different than other flus that people get vaccinated for. “ You certainly are entitled to your beliefs about the worst Pandemic the world has encountered in 103 years. It is not a simple influenza.

[Dgizzi]

No I have not lost anyone that I know. I have had no friends or relatives get sick from COVID. We moved to the villages last March 20, when everything closed down. We have gone out to stores when we have to wear a mask we do, other than that we have sat next to people in bars, restaurants and have never gotten a sniffle. I am 58, my husband is 69. Of all the millions of people in Florida, all the people in this area, COVID has not affected the villages and why is that? I wear a mask to stores if they require. I don’t wear a mask walking outside or in my car. What is the point to that? If it was flying outside in the air, we would ALL be sick.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by terrild53

Covid IS “different than other flus that people get vaccinated for. “ You certainly are entitled to your beliefs about the worst Pandemic the world has encountered in 103 years. It is not a simple influenza.

The Spanish Flu killed 20x more people than the Coronavirus . If you consider the worldwide population is 4x what it was in 1919, that makes the Spanish Flu 80x more deadly than Corona. The flu still kills 250,000-500,000 worldwide every year. And when it comes to pandemics, you seem to have forgotten AIDS, which killed 25-35 million people, a lot more recently than 103 years ago...

[reneeallen4]

If you are truly positive for covid it will be many months before you test negative...so the question becomes how accurate is the testing?

" There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I have never heard such nonsense talks about vaccines. You do not vaccinate people who aren't at risk from a disease. You also don't set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn't been extensively tested on human subjects." Dr. Michael Yeadon, Former Vice President and Chief Scientist of Pfizer

[reneeallen4]

Completely agree with oneclickplus..spot on. Thanks for sharing

[reneeallen4]

I still think that those who are afraid of the virus should do what is comfortable for themselves like locking down at home. Those who are sick should stay home and those who are afraid of getting sick should stay home and protect themselves.
Those who choose to go out and live freely have that choice. "My body, my choice" as they say and no one should shame someone for the choice they make for themselves like not wearing a mask...not getting a vaccine...etc....ALL choices have consequences good and bad...we go through life deciding what consequences we are willing to risk, live with etc.....that's just LIFE..Btw...with all the talk about people being selfish...isn't it selfish to want to be first in line for the vaccine instead of getting to the end of the line? Just wondering...