[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Dgizzi

No I have not lost anyone that I know. I have had no friends or relatives get sick from COVID. We moved to the villages last March 20, when everything closed down. We have gone out to stores when we have to wear a mask we do, other than that we have sat next to people in bars, restaurants and have never gotten a sniffle. I am 58, my husband is 69. Of all the millions of people in Florida, all the people in this area, COVID has not affected the villages and why is that? I wear a mask to stores if they require. I don’t wear a mask walking outside or in my car. What is the point to that? If it was flying outside in the air, we would ALL be sick.

I have no idea of the total numbers for TV. but among my wifes friends from her line dancing group, one lady lost her husband, and six of her friends have had the virus, from mild symptoms, to two seriously ill in hospital.
Quite a few posters on here have posted similar scenarios.
So your statement is not entirely correct.

[kendi]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1897962]I will say it for the thousandth time. It isn't fear. It is awareness that causes us to attempt to do all we can not to catch it.

It IS killing real people. Haven't you lost anyone you know or care about???[/QUOTE

“For the thousandth time”? Attempting “to do all we can” becomes an obsession for some. Obsessions are rooted in fear.

[kendi]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

CV droplets travel on water vapor drops from breathing. They are large enough to be stopped by masks. That is even common knowledge known since last year.

Not all masks are created equal. Knits and those white disposables actually act like sieves splitting the droplets into smaller particles. These smaller droplets then take longer to fall to the ground than the larger ones causing a higher risk for infection.

[Hiltongrizz11]

The virus is real. Haven't me t a denier as you put it. However I know many that.make THEIR OWN DECISIONS about masking and distancing. They are usually the same people who know the government has not ever successfully handled anything of major importance well.

Covid is real and our government is not truthful and is motivated politically far more than they are for truth and honesty. Make your own conclusions but don't think for a minute YOU are in the right because of what the government says.

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by DON10E

I’ve read that vaccinated people can still be infected. They should be immune but I read they can carry the virus home or elsewhere and pass it to others who are still vulnerable. If true, shouldn’t they continue to wear a mask to reduce the potential to spread it?

Its mandatory they still wear a mask at any business, office where others have to. No one is exempt just because they were vaccinated. Let the battles start shortly with the ones who refuse to mask up. Just because youre vaccinated doesnt mean you arent a carrier. Have consuderation for others and just wear the mask

[J1ceasar]

Is it true and you can still carry covid germs in your body after being vaccinated and that is possibly why you should wear a mask along with everybody else?

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.

I see so many thin cloth masks that look like a teenage girl’s thong stolen from a dirty clothes hamper.—they cover the lower nose and the mouth, but not the chin. That does a limited amount of good, either way. Also, many people wearing cloth masks don’t wash them. Again, the thong analogy comes to mind. Would you wear the same underwear for a week? If you want to wear a cloth mask, buy a dozen of them and change them a couple times a day. I wear disposable masks, and after a couple hours I can smell my breath on them from deep in my lungs. Bacteria and viruses go along with smells like that. So I put on a new mask and throw away the old one. They only cost about a dime apiece at Sam’s Club. I can afford it.

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by popbaby2

After following many discussions in TOTV, I see there are still lots of COVID deniers. COVID is going down, but not very fast and it is still very much of a threat. It went way up over the holidays, as so many people travelled, partied etc. But look at this chart that I put together from data published on The Villages News, which they get from the government. It shows the 7 day average of new cases, and the trend line. Average new cases from July to October were under 10 - even in July. They have dropped from a daily high of 65 beginning of January to 30 over the past week. That is still too high everyone!!!!! Wear your masks, and try social distancing for awhile to see if we can beat this. This would be a terrible way to die. And the death rate for us over 65's is 5% and gets higher as you get older.

Covid is here to stay just like the flu. Oooooooops I forgot the flu worldwide has disappeared. Have you wondered where it went? My guess, it is now being called Covid to pump up the numbers. Maybe you have a better explanation. Wear your masks, hide from friends and family, watch brick and mortar businesses go under and watch of the degradation of our great country into Marxism and poverty. Sorry for being a downer but in less than a month gas is up $.50 a gal. New taxes being announced daily. I for one can not afford an $8000.00 or more federal tax on my home. Just the beginning.

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.

THANK YOU!!!! Finally someone who gets it and states facts not government misinformation

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

Is it true and you can still carry covid germs in your body after being vaccinated and that is possibly why you should wear a mask along with everybody else?

They will have us wearing mask forever, or until they get tired of wearing one.

[GPGuar]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Get the vaccination or don't get it. Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. Go out or cower at home. Your decision, but don't presume to demand that others conform to whatever standard you insist is better than the norm. You all don't seem to get it. I don't modify my lifestyle for your convenience. I had no intention of getting the vaccination until I did some research on it. I decided that it was not dangerous and since I was helping my spouse secure her shots, I found it convenient to go ahead and get mine at the same time. I do not believe that I would have ever become infected, and figured that even if I did, I would shrug it off in a few days. I wear a mask when there is a sign on the door of the business. Once I get my second shot, I will get the flimsiest and thin mask I can find and carry it if I am out shopping in case it is required to enter a business. Many of you demanded that other folks "protect" you by wearing a mask. Now, there will be no reason to think that I am going to infect you because I won't have the virus. I don't have it now, and haven't had it. But, most of you run amok in hysteria thinking that everyone around you is infected.
So, do what you wish to protect yourselves because it is not anyone else's responsibility to take care of you.

Well said!

[65Proff]

So sorry for your lost.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com

Are you *really* doing all you can not to catch it? Have you only eaten the very healthiest of food?, have you exercised each and everyday (getting in at least 10K steps?), have you refrained from drinking alcohol and exposure to all carcinogens?, do you stay at or below your recommended weight? ..... you are demanding that people do everything not to catch it or become ‘spreaders’ - but - really - have you done everything you can do?
*** I am not saying you have to do anything - that is totally your choice .... I am just saying everyone should just demand the best of themselves. ***
All we really have the power to do is be kind and respect the opinions of others.

BTW - just from personal experience - I know MANY people who have died in the last year or two - from many things! I know of someone who fell in their home and died of complications from the fall - yet their cause of death stated ‘Covid’ - merely because they tested positive when admitted to the hospital. I know people in their 80s and 90s who have died of ‘Covid’ - but, I know the severe health issues they had been struggling with for many years. My opinion only - it is unfortunate that their last several months on earth weren’t as enriching as they should have been - because of all the fears and restrictions due to “Covid”. In my opinion, a 96 year old is going to die (it is a blessing they lived to 96!!!) why can’t we make their last weeks on earth as enjoyable as possible - we can’t because people are saying it is more important to fear a virus and stay locked up - than being comforted and surrounded by friends and family in their final days (yes, my opinion - we can and should wear masks to do that).

I am in my 70s and I wear a mask and distance in public - but, I am not angry or hateful of those who do not. I have travelled (by plane) and attended large gatherings many times in the past year - I have lived life - because I know I will die - maybe sooner than later. I want to live into my 80s and 90s - like those I know who have died this past year - but - I certainly do not want to die alone - with only strangers tending to me.

I welcome your opinions - but, please do not be critical of those who simply want to live life - in the short time they have left (and yes, we are doing that wearing mask).

All is a matter of opinion. For most people, we see it endlessly what I do is fine I object to what you CHOOSE to do.

For me it is exactly the same as driving drunk. My view, you have every right to kill yourself. The reason it is wrong is you risk the life of other people around you.

Unlike killing someone in an auto crash, with covid since it is a 2 week gestation period,
you may never know that you have killed or sent others to the hospital etc.

[Redsmom]

Originally Posted by Jazzman

Stop looking at interviews with certain medical professionals that can’t stay away from the cameras and do research on your own. Do you know that the medical experts who work for the government do not recommend or even suggest that if an individual tests positive and shows early signs of infection there isn’t any treatment? They suggest all you can do is go home and tough it out. This type of plan has been refuted by many other infectious disease specialists equally and eminently qualified as the select few you see constantly in the media, as there does exist a number of validated treatment plans with readily available pharmaceuticals that can lessen the degree of the consequences caused by the virus and can lessen the time one suffers from the effects. These professionals are rarely heard as they don’t work for the government.

Correct. Using a Tele doctor and for a minimal amount of money, I will be receiving my hydroxychloroquine in the mail this week. It will be on my shelf in case I start to feel symptoms. Used for many years and sold over the counter in most countries around the world, no side effects to worry about, I will have a plan in case I contract this virus without putting a genetic modifier into my body. And meanwhile I will take common sense measures to avoid it and the hysteria surrounding it. It’s a shame that the powers that be are allowing people to think there is no treatment other than officially prescribed by our government.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The British variant is said to take over in the US around June. It has produced cases close to TV Land recently.

Just where is this TV Land?? Hollywood?