[Gulfcoast]

And before someone attributes the insane drop in flu cases to be the result of social distancing and mask wearing. How is it that the same people also blame Covid going around on people not wearing masks or practicing social distancing???? The logic, or lack thereof, is mind boggling.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, questions without answers in the post - which breeds more and more conspiracy theories. The truth is that the WHO knew about a possible Pandemic around Dec. 2019. Even Bob Woodward knew about it on Jan 29, 2020. So, obviously, the CDC knew about it. The better question to ask is why it was not ACTED on. And WHY is America # 1 in CV problems today!

Maybe it originated in in America? Have you ever heard of Ft. Detrick? Questions, not conspiracy theories. Although, a conspiracy theory can also be based on FACT.

[Dorebea]

Originally Posted by fastboat

I have seen CDC numbers in December that corroborate this.

Before you review the Food For Thought ... I found these number interesting. As reported by the CDC ... Here are the US deaths by year and the change from the previous year

Year 2017 2,818,503 Americans died

Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)

Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)

The year of the pandemic ...

Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

I've been told that Covid is responsible for now 400,000 + deaths. Shouldn't the 2020 number be a hell of a lot higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died OF COVID and How many died (of other causes) WITH Covid?

Does it matter if you died directly of covid or from a pre existing health condition accentuated by covid? Bottom line is over this past year many people were living with their underlying health issues but caught covid and now they are dead.

Just wear a mask and you may save a life!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by sail33or

MASK, MASK, MASK, MASK
TALK, TALK, TALK, TALK

I see The Villages clearing emerging as 50% going about their lives again, Going to the Squares, Eating Out, etc. And 50% will worry and wear Masks. IRONIC is that wearing a Mask is PRIMARILY for the protection of "OTHERS". And "OTHERS" are Not wearing Masks. See the IRONY there.

Reminds me of a comedian once at a huge Concert that asked everyone to shake hands with the person behind them. When you did this the person behind you was turned around trying to shake the hand of the person behind them and so on and so on. Big Laugh at this mental ineptitude.

Those "others" continue to perpetuate this pandemic. Vaccines alone, unfortunately, are not the answer. We have been repeatedly asked by the CDC and the expert epidemiologists to continue our mitigation efforts and that means mask wearing and social distancing. I guess we won't get back to normal life for a long time with all these folks who continue to live life like there is no global pandemic.

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

Me neither. I've known quite a few, including family and friends that have HAD the WuhanChineseCorona Virus, but no one that I know have passed away with it. I'm not certain the death numbers are correct - how many gave died of the FLU this season? FLU deaths are down 98% - how can that be???

[Gulfcoast]

So we've been doing a good enough job wearing masks and social distancing to pretty much eradicate the flu. But Covid is still going around because "some people" continue to be careless - not careless enough to pass the flu around but careless enough to pass Covid around? This makes sense...how???

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

How can you compare a virus with driving drunk? If one does not have the virus, they are not dangerous. You only find that person GUILTY of being dangerous because of hysteria, not fact. A person driving drunk is positive for alcohol influence and is guilty of willfully putting others in danger. You cannot charge someone with putting you in danger when there is no danger and no evidence of danger.
If I am immune to the virus and refuse to wear a mask then you cannot accuse me of being a danger to you.

They were talking about those who have the virus and do not know it - like many children. They are called asymptomatic. That is why every human is a potential danger to every other human. Some do NOT know this basic fact.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Those "others" continue to perpetuate this pandemic. Vaccines alone, unfortunately, are not the answer. We have been repeatedly asked by the CDC and the expert epidemiologists to continue our mitigation efforts and that means mask wearing and social distancing. I guess we won't get back to normal life for a long time with all these folks who continue to live life like there is no global pandemic.

Let’s travel way back in time to March & April 2020. The epidemiologists, scientists & “experts” told us that we need to social distance, wear masks, close restaurants, gyms, schools. We even had one way grocery isles... All based on the idea of “flattening the curve” - to not overrun hospital ICU capacity. Wearing masks and social distancing was never intended to stop the virus, at best it was to help slow the spread. Now there is a vaccine for the vulnerable. Yet people still cling to the false narrative that we must continue wearing masks to make the virus go away...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Byte1

How can you compare a virus with driving drunk? If one does not have the virus, they are not dangerous. You only find that person GUILTY of being dangerous because of hysteria, not fact. A person driving drunk is positive for alcohol influence and is guilty of willfully putting others in danger. You cannot charge someone with putting you in danger when there is no danger and no evidence of danger.
If I am immune to the virus and refuse to wear a mask then you cannot accuse me of being a danger to you.

There are different types of immunity.This article gives an excellent explanation why those who are vaccinated may still transmit the virus to others...........

Effective Immunity and the COVID-19 Vaccines

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

They were talking about those who have the virus and do not know it - like many children. They are called asymptomatic. That is why every human is a potential danger to every other human. Some do NOT know this basic fact.

Oh stop you're scaring me.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

So this is the explanation that I have heard for the drop in Covid cases....

President Biden rejoined the WHO. The WHO now recommends 2 positive tests plus symptoms to be counted as a positive result. Naturally, when you change the criteria like that, the cases would tend to magically drop.

Oh, and there have been practically no flu cases this year. That seems pretty amazing, doesn't it?

I feel like we are living in Lalaland.

So......those people who test positive for what ever reason (example may be to return to work or begin work) they were tested but are asymptomatic are NOT counted in the numbers as a case? That is just wrong.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

So we've been doing a good enough job wearing masks and social distancing to pretty much eradicate the flu. But Covid is still going around because "some people" continue to be careless - not careless enough to pass the flu around but careless enough to pass Covid around? This makes sense...how???

Among many differences between the Flu and Covid, Covid is more contagious and deadly. This article from the Mayo Clinic explains the differences between these two diseases.....

COVID-19 (coronavirus) vs. flu: Similarities and differences - Mayo Clinic

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Let’s travel way back in time to March & April 2020. The epidemiologists, scientists & “experts” told us that we need to social distance, wear masks, close restaurants, gyms, schools. We even had one way grocery isles... All based on the idea of “flattening the curve” - to not overrun hospital ICU capacity. Wearing masks and social distancing was never intended to stop the virus, at best it was to help slow the spread. Now there is a vaccine for the vulnerable. Yet people still cling to the false narrative that we must continue wearing masks to make the virus go away...

People still "cling to the false narrative that we must continue wearing masks to make the virus go away" because the experts, scientists and doctors are pleading with us all to do so. Have you read this article that explains why masks and distancing will still be necessary even after a person has been vaccinated with both shots?

Effective Immunity and the COVID-19 Vaccines

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Among many differences between the Flu and Covid, Covid is more contagious and deadly. This article from the Mayo Clinic explains the differences between these two diseases.....

COVID-19 (coronavirus) vs. flu: Similarities and differences - Mayo Clinic

It makes no sense that if I hold a "super spreader event" like an indoor Super Bowl party with 500 of my closest, maskless friends that the only virus that we would spread among us is COVID, never the flu.

Think about all of the super spreader events held across the nation all year. Much of them maskless. But no flu this year.

[Nell57]

Originally Posted by danglanzsr

No, I haven't.

You are fortunate that you have not lost a friend or loved one. I've lost 3, ages 73, 51 and 64. It is a slow, miserable, lonely death. You don't want your life to end that way.