[SkBlogW]

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

I don't understand your point, are you saying it is better to just catch the virus and survive? Kind of like people having COVID parties and crossing their fingers?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Thank you for getting my word out again. Seems I've hit some nerves with that one. I would still bet money on that guy not being vaccinated. That post was to refer to extremists and you CANNOT tell me they are in the vaccine camp. Sorry. Don't buy it.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I don't understand your point, are you saying it is better to just catch the virus and survive? Kind of like people having COVID parties and crossing their fingers?

That is exactly how I took it. Doesn't make sense to play Russian Roulette. Does it?

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I don't understand your point, are you saying it is better to just catch the virus and survive? Kind of like people having COVID parties and crossing their fingers?

Depends. If you are an overweight geezer with diabetes/heart disease or several other comorbidites, definitely get the vaccine. If I was young and healthy, I would definitely get an antibody test to see if I already had covid. If yes why get vaccine when you have better protection against Delta etc.

The main point was to ridicule vaccine profiling and shaming, since there are over 140 million that have natural immunity that appears to be stronger. Boomers are quite self centered and should check their privilege, not everyone is scared ****less by this virus and they are not responsible for your health.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Thank you for getting my word out again. Seems I've hit some nerves with that one. I would still bet money on that guy not being vaccinated. That post was to refer to extremists and you CANNOT tell me they are in the vaccine camp. Sorry. Don't buy it.

LOL Since you profiled this guy as an anti vaxxer, he's probably an anti masker too and probably has already had covid and now has better immunity than you do.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is exactly how I took it. Doesn't make sense to play Russian Roulette. Does it?

It's only Russian Roulette for older age groups, young and healthy people die from flu, pneumonia etc in much greater numbers than covid causes.

I know it's hard, but maybe you can step out of your shoes and see things from another perspective.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Depends. If you are an overweight geezer with diabetes/heart disease or several other comorbidites, definitely get the vaccine. If I was young and healthy, I would definitely get an antibody test to see if I already had covid. If yes why get vaccine when you have better protection against Delta etc.

The main point was to ridicule vaccine profiling and shaming, since there are over 140 million that have natural immunity that appears to be stronger. Boomers are quite self centered and should check their privilege, not everyone is scared ****less by this virus and they are not responsible for your health.

And the 140M number came from where?

Better to be scared ****less and get vaccinated, there is no coming back from “I wish I had.”

There are several idiots on the board selling snake oil and confirmation bias - choose carefully who you take medical advice from.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

And the 140M number came from where?

Better to be scared ****less and get vaccinated, there is no coming back from “I wish I had.”

There are several idiots on the board selling snake oil and confirmation bias - choose carefully who you take medical advice from.

See the link from the CDC in the OP? Read it.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

LOL Since you profiled this guy as an anti vaxxer, he's probably an anti masker too and probably has already had covid and now has better immunity than you do.

Most probably true. LOL.

I will pit my immunity against anyone who has had Covid. My immune system gave me a very robust response with my second Moderna shot. I have the immune system of a youngin'.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

It's only Russian Roulette for older age groups, young and healthy people die from flu, pneumonia etc in much greater numbers than covid causes.

I know it's hard, but maybe you can step out of your shoes and see things from another perspective.

All I know is it is so disheartening to see young folks on my television pleading for the vaccine as they lie in a hospital bed and cannot breath and are about to be put on a vent. I've seen and read about too many young people dying of this disease, certainly not in the numbers of seniors but still too many young folks are dying. I don't know why anyone, young or old, would take that chance.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Depends. If you are an overweight geezer with diabetes/heart disease or several other comorbidites, definitely get the vaccine. If I was young and healthy, I would definitely get an antibody test to see if I already had covid. If yes why get vaccine when you have better protection against Delta etc.

The main point was to ridicule vaccine profiling and shaming, since there are over 140 million that have natural immunity that appears to be stronger. Boomers are quite self centered and should check their privilege, not everyone is scared ****less by this virus and they are not responsible for your health.

You had me until the very end. Yes, everyone is responsible for their action or inaction in a pandemic - worldwide. I really am growing tired of this "I don't need to do it, I am safe".

Whatever, do what you are going to. I am tired of all this nonsense. Polio is gone, smallpox is gone, maybe COVID will kill us all, or just magically disappear. Have fun arguing everyone. I am out of vaccine discussions.

BTW, I and my wife are fully vaccinated, for 5 months now. Our PCPs recommended and today we were tested for COVID because of recent systems.

A big thank you goes out to all the self-righteous people that are covering their own A$$ and not getting vaccinated.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You had me until the very end. Yes, everyone is responsible for their action or inaction in a pandemic - worldwide. I really am growing tired of this "I don't need to do it, I am safe".

Whatever, do what you are going to. I am tired of all this nonsense. Polio is gone, smallpox is gone, maybe COVID will kill us all, or just magically disappear. Have fun arguing everyone. I am out of vaccine discussions.

BTW, I and my wife are fully vaccinated, for 5 months now. Our PCPs recommended and today we were tested for COVID because of recent systems.

A big thank you goes out to all the self-righteous people that are covering their own A$$ and not getting vaccinated.

Goodbye....and you're welcome

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you want to play the Covid Party game, you should definitely go to Sturgis. You have the best chance of actually contracting it there than anywhere else these days.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you want to play the Covid Party game, you should definitely go to Sturgis. You have the best chance of actually contracting it there than anywhere else these days.

Yeah...just like last year..

Fact check: Sturgis Rally's COVID-19 cases misstated by online post