[Art cov]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you want to play the Covid Party game, you should definitely go to Sturgis. You have the best chance of actually contracting it there than anywhere else these days.

I heard of the outbreak in the Martha’s Vineyard area. The great doctor barely mentioned the people crowded under the birthday tent. It works for everybody!

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Most probably true. LOL.

I will pit my immunity against anyone who has had Covid. My immune system gave me a very robust response with my second Moderna shot. I have the immune system of a youngin'.

My doctor told me that about my prostate also

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[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You had me until the very end. Yes, everyone is responsible for their action or inaction in a pandemic - worldwide. I really am growing tired of this "I don't need to do it, I am safe".

Whatever, do what you are going to. I am tired of all this nonsense. Polio is gone, smallpox is gone, maybe COVID will kill us all, or just magically disappear. Have fun arguing everyone. I am out of vaccine discussions.

BTW, I and my wife are fully vaccinated, for 5 months now. Our PCPs recommended and today we were tested for COVID because of recent systems.

A big thank you goes out to all the self-righteous people that are covering their own A$$ and not getting vaccinated.

I whole heartedly agree. Everyone needs to step up and do their part during this pandemic whether it be masking, social distancing and of course, getting vaccinated. This war against the virus must be a group effort and those who are riding on the coat tails of those who have stepped up for the vaccine are not doing their part.

I will miss you and your very grounded POV in these vaccine discussions. Wish you wouldn't go.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

Yeah...just like last year..

Fact check: Sturgis Rally's COVID-19 cases misstated by online post

I wouldn't be so quick to compare the original strain with this Delta variant that is circulating now. There doesn't seem to be a slowing down of Delta yet so there is a good chance this Sturgis ralley will be a really nice super spreader event. Only time will tell. I'm waiting patiently for this Delta variant to peter out just like it did in the UK and India but so far, it hasn't happened here.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You had me until the very end. Yes, everyone is responsible for their action or inaction in a pandemic - worldwide. I really am growing tired of this "I don't need to do it, I am safe".

Whatever, do what you are going to. I am tired of all this nonsense. Polio is gone, smallpox is gone, maybe COVID will kill us all, or just magically disappear. Have fun arguing everyone. I am out of vaccine discussions.

BTW, I and my wife are fully vaccinated, for 5 months now. Our PCPs recommended and today we were tested for COVID because of recent systems.

A big thank you goes out to all the self-righteous people that are covering their own A$$ and not getting vaccinated.

Could not have said it better myself! My good friend from CA was super healthy, worked out regularly, died of covid….. he was 46. This was before the vaccine. But I have brothers in their 40’s who also are anti-vaxxers (covid only) and they aren’t the brightest bulbs in the lamp, if you know what I’m saying. But alas, they did finally get the vaccine.

[thevillages2013]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You had me until the very end. Yes, everyone is responsible for their action or inaction in a pandemic - worldwide. I really am growing tired of this "I don't need to do it, I am safe".

Whatever, do what you are going to. I am tired of all this nonsense. Polio is gone, smallpox is gone, maybe COVID will kill us all, or just magically disappear. Have fun arguing everyone. I am out of vaccine discussions.

BTW, I and my wife are fully vaccinated, for 5 months now. Our PCPs recommended and today we were tested for COVID because of recent systems.

A big thank you goes out to all the self-righteous people that are covering their own A$$ and not getting vaccinated.

If you are out of the discussions then take your little message off the bottom of your posts.

[Carlsondm]

This is an apples vs oranges comparison. I saw no conclusions to draw. Interesting report to vet though.

The COVID survivors are just that, survivors. How many died while the survivors were being treated or recovered? The survivors toughed it out and likely did not have serious pre-existing conditions. Those of us who scrutinized the vaccines and choose to be vaccinated do not expect to die from the virus. We can still become infected and positive, but expect to have a milder case and not see a hospital or a ventilator.

Our children are medical professionals and have been over worked during the surges. They saw what dying patients went through and are urging, no screaming at us to get vaccinated or measure antibodies and stay out of hospitals.

The delta variant is 9x more contagious than the original virus and just as deadly. Choose your path.

[Sheltie-Lover]

Another rude self righteous A$$. Grumpy Old Man is one of the reasons I read TOTV everyday before work. It makes me feel a little better that we still have some common sense left.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

First....Are you vaccinated or not? Yes or No.
Second...If the answer is no and you are so sure of as you put it your "superior immunity to Delta" why don't you go down to the COVID ward of any hospital and volunteer your services!!!

[ctmurray]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021 | MMWR

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by Art cov

I heard of the outbreak in the Martha’s Vineyard area. The great doctor barely mentioned the people crowded under the birthday tent. It works for everybody!

You do know you are desperately trying to compare President Obama's 3 hour outdoor birthday party where 200 people attended who were 100% vaccinated.....to a one week biker rally attended by close to 600,000 who crowd into bars every night? FYI we see what you are doing......

[Linnberg]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You had me until the very end. Yes, everyone is responsible for their action or inaction in a pandemic - worldwide. I really am growing tired of this "I don't need to do it, I am safe".

Whatever, do what you are going to. I am tired of all this nonsense. Polio is gone, smallpox is gone, maybe COVID will kill us all, or just magically disappear. Have fun arguing everyone. I am out of vaccine discussions.

BTW, I and my wife are fully vaccinated, for 5 months now. Our PCPs recommended and today we were tested for COVID because of recent systems.

A big thank you goes out to all the self-righteous people that are covering their own A$$ and not getting vaccinated.

“ Whatever doesn't kill you, mutates and tries again - get the damn shots”

While I totally agree with what you stated, Nietzsche may not like your change in his original quote. Lol

[allsport]

The foreign study seems to be applicable to that particular country. The CDC here in this country studied the same thing and found that people who had Covid are twice as likely to be reinfected with the variant than those who were vaccinated. The severity of the original infection is what governs how long the immunity lasts and apart from checking your blood frequently for antibiotics that is not measurable. Get the vaccine and protect your family. I know someone on a ventilator today that thought he did not need the vaccine.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by allsport

The foreign study seems to be applicable to that particular country. The CDC here in this country studied the same thing and found that people who had Covid are twice as likely to be reinfected with the variant than those who were vaccinated. The severity of the original infection is what governs how long the immunity lasts and apart from checking your blood frequently for antibiotics that is not measurable. Get the vaccine and protect your family. I know someone on a ventilator today that thought he did not need the vaccine.

That’s because the study in the US was pre Delta…
Pre Delta there were almost no breakthrough cases. Now breakthrough cases in the US are very common.