[Andyb]

Google Dr Dan Stock for the documented truth on the virus, vaccine and masks.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You had me until the very end. Yes, everyone is responsible for their action or inaction in a pandemic - worldwide. I really am growing tired of this "I don't need to do it, I am safe".

Whatever, do what you are going to. I am tired of all this nonsense. Polio is gone, smallpox is gone, maybe COVID will kill us all, or just magically disappear. Have fun arguing everyone. I am out of vaccine discussions.

BTW, I and my wife are fully vaccinated, for 5 months now. Our PCPs recommended and today we were tested for COVID because of recent systems.

A big thank you goes out to all the self-righteous people that are covering their own A$$ and not getting vaccinated.

Why should a covid survivor who has greater immunity than you do get the vaccine? I thought we were following the "science"

To make you feel better and safer? I hate to burst your bubble but covid is not going away. It's going to be endemic just like the flu, and new variants will probably require booster shots every year. It will probably become less deadly over time, and maybe in a few hundred years it will become similar to other coronaviruses and cause common colds.

Even if every man woman and child in USA were vaccinated, vaccine resistant variants like Delta will develop in other parts of the world and in this modern world, slip back into America.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Swoop

That’s because the study in the US was pre Delta…
Pre Delta there were almost no breakthrough cases. Now breakthrough cases in the US are very common.

Correct. Thanks for helping spread current info.

[WVB#1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Thank you for getting my word out again. Seems I've hit some nerves with that one. I would still bet money on that guy not being vaccinated. That post was to refer to extremists and you CANNOT tell me they are in the vaccine camp. Sorry. Don't buy it.

And you actually seem proud of yourself for this - enough to say it again! Shame on you! How sad!

[FromNY]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Depends. If you are an overweight geezer with diabetes/heart disease or several other comorbidites, definitely get the vaccine. If I was young and healthy, I would definitely get an antibody test to see if I already had covid. If yes why get vaccine when you have better protection against Delta etc.

The main point was to ridicule vaccine profiling and shaming, since there are over 140 million that have natural immunity that appears to be stronger. Boomers are quite self centered and should check their privilege, not everyone is scared ****less by this virus and they are not responsible for your health.

Young unvaccinated are dying and or sick. Without comorbities.
Vaccinated with comorbities are getting sick after being exposed. Say thanks to the unvaccinated.

[Villages Kahuna]

So now we’re supposed to rely on statistics gathered in Israel rather than our respected CDC and virtually all U.S. doctors and hospitals currently dealing with the current out-of-control COVID wave?

What point are you trying to make? I hope you’re not trying to convince people not to get vaccinated.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Why should a covid survivor who has greater immunity than you do get the vaccine? I thought we were following the "science"

To make you feel better and safer? I hate to burst your bubble but covid is not going away. It's going to be endemic just like the flu, and new variants will probably require booster shots every year. It will probably become less deadly over time, and maybe in a few hundred years it will become similar to other coronaviruses and cause common colds.

Even if every man woman and child in USA were vaccinated, vaccine resistant variants like Delta will develop in other parts of the world and in this modern world, slip back into America.

Bingo.

I had COVID late last fall. No big deal--a few days of feeling puny but the rest of the time just irritated at sitting around the house. I had the vaccine too; this past May in fact. Not so much because I had this desperate fear of the dread bug but because my family lives in Minnesota and nobody knows from day to day just what new dicta that the moonbats who are running that state might hand down; there was some idle talk (thankfully that was all it was) that MSP might be quarantining incoming passengers who were not vaccinated and I figured a couple of needle sticks was a small price to pay to avoid that. That was the route I chose to take.

That's what important here. I had the right to choose my course of action and I did it according to what I believed to be my best interests. But those interests are not the business of anyone EXCEPT myself. I fully accept that people have the same right to make their choices of action, independent of what anyone else thinks. I do NOT have the right to demand that anyone else takes a course of action based on my fear.

My liberty does not stop where someone else's fear begins.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by FromNY

Young unvaccinated are dying and or sick. Without comorbities.
Vaccinated with comorbities are getting sick after being exposed. Say thanks to the unvaccinated.

Please provide the data showing what the actual rise in young, unvaccinated people dying is. Actual data, not fear mongering TV or newspaper reports designed to increase viewership…

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Why should a covid survivor who has greater immunity than you do get the vaccine? I thought we were following the "science"

To make you feel better and safer? I hate to burst your bubble but covid is not going away. It's going to be endemic just like the flu, and new variants will probably require booster shots every year. It will probably become less deadly over time, and maybe in a few hundred years it will become similar to other coronaviruses and cause common colds.

Even if every man woman and child in USA were vaccinated, vaccine resistant variants like Delta will develop in other parts of the world and in this modern world, slip back into America.

Delta is not vaccine resistant. It is not the vaccinated who are hospitalized and dying.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

So now we’re supposed to rely on statistics gathered in Israel rather than our respected CDC and virtually all U.S. doctors and hospitals currently dealing with the current out-of-control COVID wave?

What point are you trying to make? I hope you’re not trying to convince people not to get vaccinated.

Israel experienced Delta wave before USA and they are one of the most vaccinated countries on earth, so their data gives us a preview of what will happen here. Their Health Ministry and medical expertise are well respected throughout the globe.

Instead of parroting the panic you see in the media, why not go to "our respected CDC" and look at the actual numbers. As you can see, we are nowhere near the hospitalization rates we saw in January.



COVID-19 Hospitalizations

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Israel experienced Delta wave before USA and they are one of the most vaccinated countries on earth, so their data gives us a preview of what will happen here. Their Health Ministry and medical expertise are well respected throughout the globe.

Instead of parroting the panic you see in the media, why not go to "our respected CDC" and look at the actual numbers. As you can see, we are nowhere near the hospitalization rates we saw in January.

Attachment 90391

COVID-19 Hospitalizations

Not again!

That data contains only 14 states of which do not include Florida, Texas, or Louisiana.

Take a look at the WaPo site or NYT site (or others I can't think of right now) to see what the hospitalization across all the US looks like. Florida has already exceeded its all-time Covid hospitalization peak. If it offends you to look at those sites, take a look at the graphs in this CDC report - they compare very well with what the newspapers show.

[jbrown132]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I don't understand your point, are you saying it is better to just catch the virus and survive? Kind of like people having COVID parties and crossing their fingers?

Those numbers are for Israel, not the US. The numbers you quote bear no relationship to those that are no being reported in the US. From what I understand the two shot vaccines is the IS are still 95% effective against the variant and they are developing a booster as we speak.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Delta is not vaccine resistant. It is not the vaccinated who are hospitalized and dying.

Delta COVID-19 variant up to eight times more resistant to vaccine antibodies

Delta COVID-19 variant up to eight times more resistant to vaccine antibodies - BusinessToday

It's true that it is not the vaccinated who are dying in great numbers, but they are catching and spreading the Delta variant more than those with natural immunity from a past covid infection.

Study: Recovered COVID patients don't benefit from vaccine
New US study finds natural infection to COVID provides robust long-term immunity, with vaccination providing no added benefit.

Study: Recovered COVID patients don't benefit from vaccine - Israel National News

[virtue51]

Based on information reported in this country, your information is incorrect. It is unfortunate that there is so much mis-information about the coronavirus.

It is a global health crisis that has killed more than 4 million people and it has left many people with long lasting effects.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Delta COVID-19 variant up to eight times more resistant to vaccine antibodies

Delta COVID-19 variant up to eight times more resistant to vaccine antibodies - BusinessToday

It's true that it is not the vaccinated who are dying in great numbers, but they are catching and spreading the Delta variant more than those with natural immunity from a past covid infection.

Study: Recovered COVID patients don't benefit from vaccine
New US study finds natural infection to COVID provides robust long-term immunity, with vaccination providing no added benefit.

Study: Recovered COVID patients don't benefit from vaccine - Israel National News

The results of the laboratory study are not evident in the real-world data. I'm sure a study somewhere will figure out why.

One thing to note: the laboratory study found that "the Delta variant is both more transmissible and better able to evade prior immunity caused due to previous infection." which kind of seems to argue against your second link.